I've seen arguments on both sides when it comes to the NTR on this game and my opinion stands somewhere in the middle. I do believe Luna can be NTR'd, she's not inmune by any means. Your point about underestimating Iviel is spot on I think. She can handle powerful demons easily so the idea of a simple imp defeating her is inconceivable to her. The moment she accepted the contract she became vulnerable as we don't really know just how strong it really is and even if it starts out having little effect it grows in power over time, meaning Luna believes it's not a big deal at first and by the time she recognizes it as a threat it might be too late. The problem I think is with the pacing, towards the end the NTR becomes more and more unrealistic. Another reason for the complaints might be related to the choices and how they impact the game, from Luna's perspective it doesn't really make sense to give in to Iviel. They sould have given more compelling reasons to choose the "bad options" and the fact that the choices don't really matter in the long run is a dissapointment. My first playthrough I chose to give in every time until Iviel demanded sex, then I stopped because I felt like that was a line Luna wouldn't cross but it didn't change anything. The only real choices are all or nothing. Overall I really enjoyed the game as it fills a niche that no other game does or at least very few do, which is NTR games where the NTR is meant to be overcome. It's not avoidable NTR where all the content is reserved for the bad endings and the true ending is usually a virgin route with no scenes, the NTR does happen but you can fight against it and ultimately the game wants you to win and achieve the happy ending. I like the positive note that these games end on and I hope the developer keeps making the canonical ending the best possible one. Stories like Kurone's are seen as tragic and something that the main cast must avoid at all cost, hopefully even Kurone will end up having a chance at redemption and a happy ending.
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The problem is with what your saying. Eviru is a terrible match up for that type of story and character. He's too stupid. Too weak. Too...Everything to acutally accomplish what he does beacuse he's littearly not smart enouph.
The problem is not Luna herself. Yes she works for NTR. But the SPECIFIC type of NTR that would be needed for her is a master manipulator type that uses her devotion against her and sets up scenrios where Leo hurts her or snubs her to let him sink his claws in.
The game didn't do this. Which is the problem.
Also no. The title is just a name. The 'Canon' ending is actually the pure love one where Leo and Luna stay together and win. So she was never intended to defect/betray humanity. But i see where you are coming from.
Luna is simply used improperly in this game. And the game itself even ackndowlges that the NTR littearly shouldn't of worked. At all. In the NTR ending.
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Yea the game doesn't want Luna to fall. There is no punishment for resisting. Eviru was written as a joke. He doesn't push or try to make the situation more dire, to force the player's hand. Matter of fact... nothing forces your hand. Don't want to do it? Oh ok. And choosing to resist to the very end. Is not even out of place. Like some games with optional NTR. Choosing not to do it, can sometimes feel off. Like you know what they want you to pick. But they just giving you the option not to. Never once felt like that. Luna staying strong, made sense the whole way through. Hell, even Kurone later comes in with an alternative to save the MC.
Kotori for me, is the only thing that made this feel like an NTR game. Because she fell like a house of cards in a hurricane. Getting used like a public toilet. While going though all the NTR tropes.
Pretty much yeah.
Again, because it does feel like the creators realized at some point that the way Luna is written doesn’t work for the type of NTR they wanted to go with for this game.
Apparently, however, from what some people have said before, the game actually officially came out There was actually an artwork posted. Of kotori in a wedding dress on their pages.
It’s quite possible she was actually originally a lot more important and what we are seeing is actually the scrap remnants of her original story.
A part of me wonder if originally she was supposed to be more important and or already in a romantic relationship with Leo
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I wouldn't be surprised if she was. Now maybe she was always been meant to be a red herring. But it did seem like she was getting set up as a potential love rival. Even had her own stat page. And iirc, one of her earlier scenes with Eviru. They did the whole will they, won't they penetration thing. With her hovering over his dick with panties on, as if to tease it. I was under the impression that we had to save her, then nope. She gets fucked and goes through the whole NTR playbook. Without needing any input. And her whole thing just kept going. Sprinkling mention of the MC throughout it. As if it was supposed to hit hard. As if she was someone more then a random we just met.
Felt like a lot of effort. To be used on someone who ended up kinda being.... just there.
If the writer makes ivieru more smart, more cunning, and more have idea, thats gonna be more interesting how to make strong wild woman like luna to fall down
But again, the writers goes like
Ivieru : "SUCK MY DICK!"
Luna : "no"
Ivieru : "ok, have a nice day"
Yeah, the curse goes stronger. But what makes it stronger? Nothing, you don't need anything to make it stronger. So if its doesn't need anything to make it stronger, why bother to give reject option to ivieru's demand. And its also not shown to us how struggle to bear the curse in vanilla route, she looks fine and curse look not get stronger. You know what worse? Even when she already full in ivieru's hand, loe still can get her back with only kiss, WTF with that. So yeah, the problem is not luna as ntr target but on how ivieru to ntr luna from leo.
But again, the writers goes like
Ivieru : "SUCK MY DICK!"
Luna : "no"
Ivieru : "ok, have a nice day"
Yeah, the curse goes stronger. But what makes it stronger? Nothing, you don't need anything to make it stronger. So if its doesn't need anything to make it stronger, why bother to give reject option to ivieru's demand. And its also not shown to us how struggle to bear the curse in vanilla route, she looks fine and curse look not get stronger. You know what worse? Even when she already full in ivieru's hand, loe still can get her back with only kiss, WTF with that. So yeah, the problem is not luna as ntr target but on how ivieru to ntr luna from leo.
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Of course thats the "Canon" ending because the series wouldn't be able to continue otherwise, just like in the first game Celia and Hayato beating Sadi is the "canon" ending because otherwise their story would end right there and they would become irrelevant characters. If every game in the series' bad endings were canon the story would not be able to continue. But even if you reach the true ending Luna always becomes corrupted no matter what so obviously her becoming corrupted by the devil has always been part of the story. Strong women being made to fall by scumbags is kind of the consistent trope in ntr so this game is not any different. And storys and games have Titles for a reason its not just a pointless label. A title of a story is meant to sum up what it is about in just a few words. I think most people know that. So the title Mirage's Defection is meant to convey a strong power on the human side defecting to the enemy side. And obviously since Luna wields mirage we know its meant for her. Maybe he didn't present the ntr in the best way but what he did do is give the players the options to see as many different outcomes as he could. Im willing to bet this forum would be flooded with people flaming this game if it only had bad ends for their waifu Luna. So what the dev did at the end of the day was a smart move. He made his characters more beloved then just expendable fleshpots.
You do know that defection means to actually fully join the other side, right? Also. No. Luna is only corrupted in the NTR ending. And that’s undisputed because you know she literally changes eyes and gets a new power and considering she doesn’t do that in the good ending, she’s not corrupted. There is a very clear difference.
But again, I do see where you’re coming from. I just think you’re kind of over selling it.
Put perfect honesty. Not to mention if you want to be completely honest.
They seem to also forget that Kotori… kind of doesn’t count as NTR because Leo doesn’t even like her. He’s frankly annoyed by her presence, and if she outright told him to her face that she was pregnant and she was going to leave with red. Armor. He’d probably just stare at her and then congratulated too, and wish them the best and happily let her leave and probably smile about it.
It’s kind of hard to really get invested in anything with her because she’s literally NTRd right from the start. And the way she gets NTR is incredibly stupid and forced because she literally sees a freaking demon come out out of a portal and then make up the worst lie ever and then instantly jumps to sex.
It’s ridiculous. And makes her look like a giant idiot. It tries to frame it around the idea of unrequited love, but… she’s known him for all of a month.
Which is what I again. It makes me think that she was supposed to. Like. Be more important originally and have a longer history with Leo.
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Exactly, bruh! when I saw how she fell to him, I was kinda annoyed. Like I'm not expecting Shakespearian writing, but come on. Y'all fighting demons, you see one come out of a portal. A portal which she noticed and comments on. All he does is sweet talk and transform, and she folds like a thin napkin.
And I'm just like
And I don't want to hear nothing about his powers and influence, no. It was dumb. But since I'm here complaining. There was one other situation. The whole sleep succubus thing with the soldiers. Like again, really? Nobody went to check? We just gonna stand around wondering and commenting on where everyone at huh? Weirdly everyone is absent at once, but we just do nothing.... well alright then. And I get it. It's a porn game, porn logic and whatnot. But still.
Still liked the game overall though.
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Exactly! Defection means to join the other side which means thats what Luna was supposed to do, hence the route I mentioned earlier where Luna gets corrupted by Iviel and then stolen by Sadi something the dev said on Ci-en. So like you guys where talking about earlier about Kotori possibly having a bigger role and it getting changed its the same for that route it got changed. Once Luna accepts the demonic subjugation spell from Iviel she is corrupted it might be to all small degree but she is corrupted nonetheless and that happens in the true route and ntr routes. And im not over selling it when it sells itself lol. But we can agree to disagree. Im a fan of the game just like anyone else so we can just leave it at that.
That's a nice detail. This game does have some small interactions that reflect your choices and I wish the developer leaned more into that, make each playthrough feel more unique even if the endings are the same. Maybe locking certain choices behind corruption thresholds or expanding events if you have enough corruption. A good example is the event where you discover Iviel, you're given a choice as Leo of wether Luna is almost fully corrupted or if she has low corruption. That doesn't make sense, let us play as Luna and choose how the event goes in real time or even better make it so that the choices we've made so far influence this mayor event, wether Luna has shown Iviel her face or not, wether they've had sex already or not, etc. Only having two versions that go from nothing to full on sex is dissapointing and the worst part is that you choose which one you see right before it happens without taking into account every other choice you've made so far. The passives that you get for seeing certain events should act as triggers to unlock new content and there should be more variations for mayor events like that one so it feels like your choices are shaping the experience more. Maybe the game could have branching paths that ultimately converge at the end so you can still get the true ending regardless of how you played but the conditions for getting it are different.
About your idea of letting Luna make her own choices, I think it's interesting. If the developer makes another game where we control Leo it would be cool if we had no direct input as Luna and she changed her behavior based on our choices as Leo. There could be secret objectives that you could accomplish as Leo that prevent Luna from gaining corruption or even the opposite. Imagine getting a sidequest to help an npc and thinking that doing it will help you get the true ending or make things easier only to discover that it ends up helping the antagonists instead. It would add replayability to the game. I also liked the game but i feel like these improvements would really help the experience and hope to see them implemented in a sequel.
Well again the issue is that, that was never planned to be the canon route. But i do see what your saying. But there is sitll one core problem.
That makes littlearly zero sense to of even happeend. Really think about it. HOW exactly would Sadi of even managed to steal Luna and why would he WANT her?
Corrupted Luna is not only even more dangerous than Regualr Luna with her new abiliy. She's actually also now fully under Eviru'smagic through the subjugation.
And STILL has the mirage. So Sadi would have to magically overwrite Eviru's magic. On Luna. Who hard counterrs magic as long as she has mana. And also she can isntnatly kill him. Casue Sadi is all bark and little bite. Casue he got his ass handed to him pretty easily by Hayato and Celis who aren't even strong themsleves but just have the potential to become powerful. As both only have basic training and very little experince.
And he'd have to content wtih a corrupted, empowered,magically devoted Luna.Whose WAY more deadly and higher leveled than either of those 2 that he lost to. When he was actually trying to fight and win.
Yeah they scrapped that idea cause it was stupid and nonsensical cause she'd kill him extremly easily. Not to mention her getitng 'stolen' twice just makes her look weak and like a joke. Which in turn highlights the core problem with Mirage.
It's not that Luna can't be NTR'd. It's that Eviru is the wrong type of NTR to go with. She needed to be paired with a manipulative, cunning, intellegent villain that exploited her devotion.
Not Eviru who is just horny and stupid. ANd a complete loser.
Fully agreed on all counts.
Perosnally. I always felt like what they should of done was Kotori was the main love interest and Leo's fiancee perhaps by arranged marriage. Whose always had feelings for him.
But he doens't share that. And he has 2 tempations to deal with.
Luna AND Kurone. Luna wants to take him for herself and is fully aware of Kotori being targeted but is seeking to exploit that for her own gain and isn't a target of NTR at all but simply passivly observing it and using it.
While Kurone's role remains the same.
Leo is pulled in 3 diffrent directoins. To either stay with his pure Kotori who is being infuluenced and tempted by Eviru. And is very needy and vunrable.
Or give into the deadly, exotic allure of Luna who loves him so much.
Or Kurone's naughty, seductress appeal.
And going for either has Kotori get corrupted and wind up dead by their hands. SImple and straight froward.
Indeed.
Ivieru works for say. Kotori. But he just doesn't work for Luna.
The game littearly tells you that it defaults to Luna agreeing to have sex with him if you do't activly go out of your way to have her choose not to. But like...Why?
He doens't give her any good reason or inective to. He's blatnatly lying to her about the curse breaker item and clealry way too insistant on her trying to fill it up.
The game has to make Luna go along with the NTR stuff 'For the sake of the plot' rather than in resepct to the character they made her.
Cause there is littearly no good reason that makes sene Ivieru can convince her. Beacuse he's too dumb to actually DO that.
Plus the game does a really poor job in the pure love route even showing or explaining how the hell the subjugatoin works and why it randomly gets stronger on it's own.
While in the NTR Luna can resist it when it doesn't seem to make sense for her to be able to.
It's not neccearly a major problem. But it all stems from them choosing a really, really bad antagongoist for this story that should of by default failed.