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Thanks for the interest shown in my Patreon sccount- it was suddenly and without warning closed by Patreon, after a "thorough review", alleging "incest and sexual violence" . Strange, since there isn't any in my work. I suspect they were responding to a malicious complaint without investigation and without a right of reply. Very disappointing as my Patrons will tell you I have tried hard to stick to their guidelines. I have made an "Appeal" but have no confidence that they will adjudicate fairly, if at all.
If any of my Patrons are reading- I'm so sorry about this- did my best to keep Patreon happy but it seems they act indiscriminately.
I am trying to set up on SubscribeStar but apparently their approval time is even longer than usual so could be several weeks.
If any of my Patrons are reading- I'm so sorry about this- did my best to keep Patreon happy but it seems they act indiscriminately.
I am trying to set up on SubscribeStar but apparently their approval time is even longer than usual so could be several weeks.
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Sorry to hear. You can expedite the approval process if you have any meaningful social media. You just put your subscribestar url as a post on your twitter, facebook, instagram or anything else that you have a decent following on, then email proof of that to subscribestar support.
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Thanks for advice... but unfortunately I don't.
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So it was an incel snowflake who hates NTR games, who anonymously falsely accused Dev's Patreon of incest and sexual violence, lol.
Its only needs this to Patreon wipe out Devs' accounts without any proper investigation.
I just ask, when will the impunity of these anonymous cowardly snitches who try to cancel people they don't like, end?
I'm starting to lose patience with these walking abortions, who have nothing else to do in their pathetic lives but do shit to others.
It's a shame that Covid didn't kill this trash of useless people...
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Your fate, esp. since you explicitely had no incest or other "sex is bad" stuff in your games, once again confirms my boycott of Patreon! I am a hobbywriter myself and I absolutely loath Patreon´s heavyhanded, indiscriminate approach to what they consider "good" and "bad" stuff and how miserable they treat the creative boys and girls making them their money. They do not have a single spark of creativity, but consider themselves judges.
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what a bullshit they can do that to you without having any proof
Shouldn't they give you a chance to defend yourself against the accusations ? I hope it gets all sorted out for youCancel culture at its finest. Ridiculous.
Unfortunately, as most companies don't care to hire the manpower to properly investigate (gotta maximize those profits after all) They tend to just leave it automated. Certain report types will get taken down out of "caution" (laziness) if the actual content is adjacent, i.e. reporting incest but actually contains just normal porn. This is due to US law that indemnifies them of liability unless notified, so once they are notified they ban to avoid the risk of lawsuit, even if they would win.
Personally, I find the level of laziness irritating, YouTube, for example, and their copyright claim scams. In addition, I find this ban of winscest in a purely fictional aspect, with literally no real people involved, quite prudish.
Personally, I find the level of laziness irritating, YouTube, for example, and their copyright claim scams. In addition, I find this ban of winscest in a purely fictional aspect, with literally no real people involved, quite prudish.
This is worrying, I thought about making a game related to ntr/vanilla but this make things harder. I might do my 1st game free but hopefully the 2nd one I can get support.
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Tbh, I think they've deemed certain interactions such as
as "underage porn"...So yes, dear Dev: go Subscribe Star, if you can.
And thanks for this game, I've really enjoyed it
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And thanks for this game, I've really enjoyed it
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I agree completely bro
Although it isn't completely about ntr
A dev I like got their page taken down and they don't even have ntr in their game.
It's been happening a lot unfortunately.
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To explain a few things people that do not follow the tech industry are not aware of.
Moderation is not as easy as people think. The larger a platform the harder it becomes and is know as moderation at scale. Automated tools are the only way to combat, but then that automation is exploited by a small number of people. It is also not possible to just bring in more people to cover manual moderation as the cost soon become out of control and would kill any company. Say each complaint take 15-20 mins of a persons day to review. Meaning one person can reasonably get to 30 a day. a site like Patreon likely gets 10K+ a day. Meaning a staff of a least 350 just in moderation. Then managers to over see those, 2nd tier of complaints, managers for those. 3rd tier complaints and reviews. So even at low balling needing 400 people to handle 10K complaints a day and a min salary (public information) of $57K a year that is 25 million just in payroll (likely much higher) not including in support staff for the moderators, equipment, and work enivironment costs) suddenly we are now into the 40-50 million range. Again this is just to try to manually. Patreon for 2021 on generated #160 million in Revenue before costs. Currently Patreon has over 275K creator accounts and 8 million monthly patron. So even at only 10K complains a day that is only est 1.5% of account getting a complaint a day. Average salary overall is $167K US
2nd: Patreon has to deal with rules imposed on them from payment companies. Look into the only fans saga with credit card companies and they are much bigger. This adds the pressure of moderation at a lower cost and adhering to outside companies belief of what is happening. To these payment companies they would prefer zero adult content so that is another constant battle they suffer.
3rd Investigating a complaint can be extremely hard. They just can't take a content creators word for it. They have to spend time. Think of how long a full investigation into Misfits would take to go through everything to ensure a violation has not happened. They can't spend the time to play the game, they are not trained to decompile coding to check every line to see if a violation has occurred. So say a complaint comes in against misfits. What is a reasonable amount of time they can spend investigating each complaint? People expect it to be quick where as having knowledge to do the investigation would still be several days min for each complaint. Where a maliciously person who really want to attack something can have 10-15 fake accounts and swarm the complaints. So suddenly Patreon would see 15 new different violations against an account and while investigation begins have to take action (suspend the account) otherwise they risk retaliation from payment companies looking for an excuse to ban them.
What people should be pissed off at is not the very difficult task of a company trying to moderate, but the people that use the tools for their own amusement instead of legitimate concerns.
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So while I understands people frustration at what they see as the problem it is actually much deeper that the title page.
Moderation is not as easy as people think. The larger a platform the harder it becomes and is know as moderation at scale. Automated tools are the only way to combat, but then that automation is exploited by a small number of people. It is also not possible to just bring in more people to cover manual moderation as the cost soon become out of control and would kill any company. Say each complaint take 15-20 mins of a persons day to review. Meaning one person can reasonably get to 30 a day. a site like Patreon likely gets 10K+ a day. Meaning a staff of a least 350 just in moderation. Then managers to over see those, 2nd tier of complaints, managers for those. 3rd tier complaints and reviews. So even at low balling needing 400 people to handle 10K complaints a day and a min salary (public information) of $57K a year that is 25 million just in payroll (likely much higher) not including in support staff for the moderators, equipment, and work enivironment costs) suddenly we are now into the 40-50 million range. Again this is just to try to manually. Patreon for 2021 on generated #160 million in Revenue before costs. Currently Patreon has over 275K creator accounts and 8 million monthly patron. So even at only 10K complains a day that is only est 1.5% of account getting a complaint a day. Average salary overall is $167K US
2nd: Patreon has to deal with rules imposed on them from payment companies. Look into the only fans saga with credit card companies and they are much bigger. This adds the pressure of moderation at a lower cost and adhering to outside companies belief of what is happening. To these payment companies they would prefer zero adult content so that is another constant battle they suffer.
3rd Investigating a complaint can be extremely hard. They just can't take a content creators word for it. They have to spend time. Think of how long a full investigation into Misfits would take to go through everything to ensure a violation has not happened. They can't spend the time to play the game, they are not trained to decompile coding to check every line to see if a violation has occurred. So say a complaint comes in against misfits. What is a reasonable amount of time they can spend investigating each complaint? People expect it to be quick where as having knowledge to do the investigation would still be several days min for each complaint. Where a maliciously person who really want to attack something can have 10-15 fake accounts and swarm the complaints. So suddenly Patreon would see 15 new different violations against an account and while investigation begins have to take action (suspend the account) otherwise they risk retaliation from payment companies looking for an excuse to ban them.
What people should be pissed off at is not the very difficult task of a company trying to moderate, but the people that use the tools for their own amusement instead of legitimate concerns.
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So while I understands people frustration at what they see as the problem it is actually much deeper that the title page.
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The only one that can answer this question for sure is Patreon itself. Since each of us can only guess the reason, these three are the most accurate answer:
Yes. Maybe. No.
Choose the one you like.
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We can look at a few possible legitimate reasons. All the main character could be deemed under age by environment association. Then you add in the fact adult characters not only do stuff with "underage characters" but are also exploiting "underage" people.
SO while most people can disconnect from a story that is not based in reality there are those that want impose such restrictions from reality to fictional works. I have had discussions with a good friend of mine who got a doctorate and has spent years studying online child exploitation. Legally speaking it's a grey area when dealing with games in north america but not looked on passively by law enforcement. Hence why you can have in porn actresses play what looks to be underage but are in reality of age. I will also refer to GoT books where children of 13-14 are depicted have sex in the books and when it came to the TV show ages were not mentioned but it's implied they are underage and have graphic scenes. Why was it allowed on TV? Because age was not mentioned as it was in the books so most people not having read the books did not get the hints.
Things can get very messy when dealing with age. For example, this said friend when he got married both were under 18 (I know crazy), and he took photos/videos with permission of her. Now because of that many years later he is legally still allowed to look at the pictures or videos even though they are of an underage girl, but he is allowed because of the association of how and when they were taken. BUT if he was to show those pictures to me both of us could be charge with distributing child pornography, even though I had also dated her but only as an adult and even though she said she didn't care if I saw them and he was the owner of the material.
So bringing all that nuances of legality into question I suspect Patreon when even hinted at something that is indead fine, you do not want to be on the wrong side of an investigation. They likely are going to come down very heavily on the side of caution. If the site was found to be complacent in one case of online child exploitation it could kill the company over night.
SO while most people can disconnect from a story that is not based in reality there are those that want impose such restrictions from reality to fictional works. I have had discussions with a good friend of mine who got a doctorate and has spent years studying online child exploitation. Legally speaking it's a grey area when dealing with games in north america but not looked on passively by law enforcement. Hence why you can have in porn actresses play what looks to be underage but are in reality of age. I will also refer to GoT books where children of 13-14 are depicted have sex in the books and when it came to the TV show ages were not mentioned but it's implied they are underage and have graphic scenes. Why was it allowed on TV? Because age was not mentioned as it was in the books so most people not having read the books did not get the hints.
Things can get very messy when dealing with age. For example, this said friend when he got married both were under 18 (I know crazy), and he took photos/videos with permission of her. Now because of that many years later he is legally still allowed to look at the pictures or videos even though they are of an underage girl, but he is allowed because of the association of how and when they were taken. BUT if he was to show those pictures to me both of us could be charge with distributing child pornography, even though I had also dated her but only as an adult and even though she said she didn't care if I saw them and he was the owner of the material.
So bringing all that nuances of legality into question I suspect Patreon when even hinted at something that is indead fine, you do not want to be on the wrong side of an investigation. They likely are going to come down very heavily on the side of caution. If the site was found to be complacent in one case of online child exploitation it could kill the company over night.
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I have a doubt how many of you felt that slowburngames shot a bullet in your chest with the ending where you start a relationship with Pixie only to realize that she is going to end up being a whore just as much or worse than Clara, in addition to feeling that it is misfits to have a couple of More endings would have been nice to have the option to have an ending with another girl, like those who wanted an ending with Betsy and came up empty-handed in the end, right?
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I agree. Yet what I liked the least was the amount of relationships that remained barely...explored, so to speak (Miss Lafayette, the boy Clara was babysitting, to name a few...)I have a doubt how many of you felt that slowburngames shot a bullet in your chest with the ending where you start a relationship with Pixie only to realize that she is going to end up being a whore just as much or worse than Clara, in addition to feeling that it is misfits to have a couple of More endings would have been nice to have the option to have an ending with another girl, like those who wanted an ending with Betsy and came up empty-handed in the end, right?
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Felt
Not only that, I would also have liked to have had the possibility of having a secret relationship with Bean and having sex with her where in the end when I let Clara formalize the relationship in front of everyone to humiliate Sebastian and expose him for the trash that he is, a threesome with Pixie and Clara how long I waited for her and in the end it didn't happen, what a shame, don't you think?
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I have the impression that the creator finished the game too quickly and did not have an appropriate ending prepared