dumpsterb4by

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It's simple really. I release a FREE PUBLIC version at the end of every the month. There is no need to steal the early release. Everything you say this forum contributes can be done with the free public release. Early access is one the few perks I can offer a Patron. Taking that away just hurts me. I know you want to justify the unscrupulous behaviour of some people on this forum, but be honest- it just hurts devs. If you really want to support us, then stick to the public release and stop encouraging wannabes.
I'm nobody, so my opinion carries little weight, but for what it's worth, Twelve Days and Misfits are the best games I've found. I enjoy them, even in replay, immensely. Just the perfect serving of kink and character building. I would truly hate to see you move away from this work. However, it isn't my work that's being pirated, so it's easy for me to say that. If I am ever in a position that I can contribute to your patron I absolutely will. I don't feel that way about much of anything, let alone devs on here. You are exceptional and your work reflects such.
Be well ✊
 

Artist271

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Personally, I just seriously doubt that removing a single image would mean anything and I find it ridiculous to think it would make an impact regarding this game's visbility and retention on this site. What is objectively ugly about the image? The fact she is so close with her mouth open? That is representative of the game and happens a many upon many times throughout the game thus far. Multiple female characters have images just like that one where they are very close at "bad" angles. Whether Betsy is popular or her fans are just a loud minority such as in this thread and elsewhere is not really my point. Which is why I bring back my previous point, if someone is so turned off by that one image that they aren't willing to try out the game, it really isn't for them because that is clearly the style of the developer. Removing that image from the OP doesn't mean that image is no longer in the game along with the many similar ones to it, many of which are unavoidable. It's about difference of view when it comes to tolerance of that image and if they really care about it or not.
Just so wrong, it does a world of difference and being purposeful ignorant of what I'm referring to ain't an argument. It's marketing 101 ‍♂ Bad angles and objectively bad images will always be apart of porn games, and people likely get over them if they play the game.
 
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Damn, so Clara works at a gentlemen club wearing a slutty outfit and Sebastian has had sex with not just Betsy but Amy too. That means he's gonna be focusing on getting Clara next. Man I can't wait for the next update, cuz now I'm really intrigue with the story.
 

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Just so wrong, it does a world of difference and being purposeful ignorant of what I'm referring to ain't an argument. It's marketing 101 ‍♂ Bad angles and objectively bad images will always be apart of porn games, and people likely get over them if they play the game.
Nothing willfully ignorant about it. Especially when you are looking at a mere fraction of the situation and ignoring everything else such as people looking at the tags, the other images, the overview, maybe were fans of the previous game, maybe they don't pay much attention to preview images, maybe they found the game on other sites, etc. I more often than not see people, especially when it comes to porn games, pissed when something isn't properly tagged or certain warnings are not provided after they tried to play the game and thought they would enjoy it. Why not present the game as it is and make that kind of thing clearly apparent? Even if that is "marketing 101" there is a much different nature when it comes to indie devs especially ones who develop adult games and get support from fans for development costs. Besides that, I'm pretty sure the dev didn't claim ownership for the OP so it is not like they personally chose to advertise their game in this way and as I previously stated, have not seen anyone else complain about that first image.
 

Artist271

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Nothing willfully ignorant about it. Especially when you are looking at a mere fraction of the situation and ignoring everything else such as people looking at the tags, the other images, the synopsis, maybe were fans of the previous game, maybe they don't pay much attention to preview images, maybe they found the game on other sites, etc. I more often than not see people, especially when it comes to porn games, pissed when something isn't properly tagged or certain warnings are not provided after they tried to play the game and thought they would enjoy it. Why not present the game as it is and make that kind of thing clearly apparent? Even if that is "marketing 101" there is a much different nature when it comes to indie devs especially ones who develop adult games and get support from fans for development costs. Besides that, I'm pretty sure the dev didn't claim ownership for the OP so it is not like they personally chose to advertise their game in this way and as I previously stated, have not seen anyone else complain about that first image.
Whatever bro, agree to disagree you come up with anything no matter how farfetched it is and underplay anything I say for your own benefit Lmao
 

DuckDairyDip

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Whatever bro, agree to disagree you come up with anything no matter how much farfetched it is Lmao
Nothing far-fetched about stating there is more to people deciding on checking out a game than just one image, the dev didn't even make the OP, and I have not seen anyone else complain about it.
 
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Artist271

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Nothing far-fetched about stating there is more to people deciding on checking out a game than just one image, the dev didn't even make the OP, and I have not seen anyone else complain about it.
Already stated the reasons as to why that is, but whatever bro, and of course there's not, but undermining an important factor as to previews is dishonest
 

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Already stated the reasons as to why that is, but whatever bro
And your logic is flawed in that it hinges on the idea that a single image will make many people not want play a game while ignoring multiple variables such as other information present, previous knowledge, and the page layout.
 

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And your logic is flawed in that it hinges on the idea that a single image will make many people not want play a game while ignoring multiple variables such as other information present, previous knowledge, and the page layout.
Nah, one of the most important variables is the preview images. Therefore nothing is flawed about what I said. Purposeful ignorance is the worst culprit which cake out of you.
 

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Nah, one of the most important variables is the preview images. Therefore nothing is flawed about what I said. Purposeful ignorance is the worst culprit which cake out of you.
The preview images are organized in a center-aligned layout. Nothing about that design focuses the user's attention to the first image all the way to the left. The images in the middle get the most attention. Plus, clicking on any image opens up a fullscreen gallery view which makes looking at all the images encouraged. You say the preview images are an important variable, but only focus on a single image, that is why it's flawed. There are 12 other images which have a chance to grab the user's attention.
 

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The preview images are organized in a center-aligned layout. Nothing about that design focuses the user's attention to the first image all the way to the left. The images in the middle get the most attention. Plus, clicking on any image opens up a fullscreen gallery view which makes looking at all the images encouraged. You say the preview images are an important variable, but only focus on a single image, that is why it's flawed. There are 12 other images which have a chance to grab the user's attention.
All images are centered in your vision from afar, people will definitely see the first image even without clicking on an image, so no.
 

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All images are centered in your vision from afar, people will definitely see the first image even without clicking on an image, so no.
They will see it, but the layout is not putting emphasis or drawing the user's attention to it as the first thing they look at. That is the purpose of something being center-aligned unless it is text. If I was willfully ignorant, I would ignore the purpose of the preview images, when that's not the case as an earlier point I even address that the other 12 images should not be ignored while you continue to ignore their purpose and focus on a single image. If this was like Steam's layout where it encourages users to start at the first preview images since you have to scroll to see the rest, I would at least somewhat agree at least in the point it shouldn't be the first image, but that is not the case as this is a different layout and I don't agree that the image shouldn't be present altogether as it is an important scene early into the game and showcases multiple things about the game in a single image.
 

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They will see it, but the layout is not putting emphasis or drawing the user's attention to it as the first thing they look at. That is the purpose of something being center-aligned unless it is text. If I was willfully ignorant, I would ignore the purpose of the preview images, when that's not the case as an earlier point I even address that the other 12 images should not be ignored while you continue to ignore their purpose and focus on a single image. If this was like Steam's layout where it encourages users to start at the first preview images since you have to scroll to see the rest, I would at least somewhat agree at least in the point it shouldn't be the first image, but that is not the case as this is a different layout and I don't agree that the image shouldn't be present altogether as it is an important scene early into the game and showcases multiple things about the game in a single image.
I give that to you, but still gonna turn people off regardless which was my main point that I want to stick.
 
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