Mika, Jora, Kotone, Feng, Ancilla, I think Elly but not sure, I think Venifica or whatever her name is, and I think the minotaur girl who runs the bar.
It was fairly predictable that Ilias was going to go genocide route if Luka ever ended up renagging on the whole "wholesale slaughter of monsters" front. She likely pushed him to killing the monster lord with the full knowledge that doing so would easily spark a conflict between the two races, and allow her to swoop in with her pseudo-monsters and properly commit a genocide in the name of "world peace." That she actively berates you for losing fights rather than presenting a more forgiving front even implies that she's less focused on your safety and survival and more on the fact that you failed her.
Read: it's a well-known meme from 4chan that the prevailing problem with Luka's dream of co-existence is that due to the inherent superiority monsters possess over Human's, the latter species will simply go extinct due to dwindling birthrates. Promestein has an entire TEDtalk in Paradox where she brings this up as a major concern to fairly apathetic-looking audience. That's it.
This is a bit too incoherent. I would encourage you to type it out slowly and try again.
You do figure out why and who, though. It's part of the main plot and individual character interactions in their personal recollection rooms. Hell, you can only get Mu if you do her side quest. And no, it doesn't mean grinding actions repeatedly. There are methods to circumvent any kind of grind. If you're talking about the random battles, it's actually a mechanic that you run from Mother Rabbit rather than directly engaging her. It's a mechanic to resist Haru and Liz. It's also a mechanic to choose to spare a demon rather than keep blasting. It's also impossible not to know when the game makes no effort to disguise what your two options are, and the fallout from either.
Same case with Shrift. It's presented at the beginning that the demons were the aggressors from the start, but as you go through and choose to spare them (or, in genocide, are basically told "bro, not to rain on your parade, but maybe cool it on the xenophobia?"), you start to unfold the nuances of the conflict itself. Human's are notoriously shit, and Shrift makes a point of it repeatedly.
You quit the game when your positive morality resulted in a subordinate questioning her superior's commands, thus demonstrating that the demons aren't just mindless cum-sucking abominations? I'm not sure I can take you seriously anymore.
Because she's a demonic abomination? Shrift is pretty keen on reminding you that, despite the similarities these creatures may have with respect to everyday things from our world, they're still otherworldly creatures. Shame on Devil's Office for making an effort to make monsters look, y'know, like friggin monsters rather than over-compensating cosplayers.
I think the one guy still defending her would actively condemn Kotone if she were a male. Personally, I'd still call Kotone an abusive piece of shit, regardless of pronouns. Just because the genitals and preferred pronouns are different doesn't mean that the person gets a pass either way. A piece of shit is a piece of shit, gold spray-paint or not.
She gets a few lines in the Labyrinth, much to the disbelief of everyone in the room. The Hellhounds are way too confused by the entire scene to offer a convincing rebuttal beyond "o-okay then..."Meh, it's useless to try.
Peoples have have pasts. In MGD monster girls are people. Simple as that. 'Suck it up' is the only anwer, including in RL
I'm really bummed Thresh completely forgot Perpetua, the best girl as everyone knows yet shily pretend they don't. I hope she'll play a grand part in the "True sigil" challenge, where we'll see what becomes of this Dungeon system.
Kindest MG: I'd say there's a strong argument for either Mara, Galvi, or Belle here. They're all non-combat NPCs, the first two just want to show the MC a good time, the last one is just working as a bartender and needs occasional help with her lactation issue.
When I did the third floor I went out of my way to remember where every key is leaving the four in the middle for last and I'm pretty sure it ended up spawning an extra fifth key in a new path on the far left of the map once the floor layout was altered.
First of, they still "cum-sucking abominations", even if each of them have...what, quantum physics, AI and abstract mathematics PhD. Game literally builded around it.
I already know that. Is there are more than that to it?......No?! In trash bin than.
Well, no. Undertale was "an ordinal rpg that not so ordinal at all...more on that next". Whole game was builded on it.
Giving up, updating the game and going in on fresh run let me get through it with sooo much less hassle.
maybe an optional boss like for the true amulet in the temple?
Yeah thinking that cause you gotta get a true doodad, though you don't get a fake one for clearing either? I guess this place doesn't count as a temple.
You can't.
Experience, Umbral Runes, or just for the fun of it if you enjoyed the fight.
So are MGD and MGQ. What's your point?
I mean, the barghast and lampas are effectively frontline infantry so yes, it's likely that the boss has plentiful more soldiers to throw at the world. Also, every cruel dictator throughout history has practiced a similar methodology of handling insubordination. The Red Army was infamously liquidated and re-organized under Stalin's regime, to great effect.
I believe in the genocide route, you've demonstrated numerous times over that you can easily handle the entire lampas species. Being given an order to effectively commit suicide seems fairly unreasonable. On the other end, the PC has shown compassion for the lampas in sparing them. As far as that one lampas was concerned, you weren't a threat, let alone someone who would get in the way of their plans unless it directly impacted you.
Is compassion for someone showing you mercy at every turn a foreign concept for you?
The point was to establish what the outcome of your kindness or cruelty can result in, but also to put forward just how cruel the end boss actually is. It establishes the stakes for those who oppose her, gives your character motivation to get stronger, and establishes the lengths the end boss will go to in order to dissuade "wrong think" within her ranks. In terms of narrative elements, it's as basic as MGQ was in presenting to you the flip-side of Human/Monster relations when rape wasn't a factor.
I mean, if you're jerking it to Shrift...
Like I said, the story is basically Undertale except with porn. The world-building is fine, nothing to write home about.
If it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work. I'm not trying to twist your arm. I just think you gave up too easily and expected something that the game never implied.
There is a lot more. It's up to you to make the effort to find out what that is, or not.
Okay, so I'm going to pretend there was something beyond casual sexism for your last sentence, and focus on the fact that Undertale wasn't operating too far outside the normal mechanics of the rpgmaker engine in itself. It simply did what games like Shrift and MGQ
aradox do, which is manipulating certain elements in the engine for a desired mechanic. I'm not a dev myself, but I imagine I could get the same results as Tobey did if I made the investment. The mechanics all apply numerical values to certain behaviours, which involve "if" and "when" triggers.I was about to say. Everyone's been super high on Ushris throughout the thread and Ceris isn't getting nearly enough love. Granted, she is, as Beris puts it, really basic and straightforward but there's definitely room to build on with her. Plus I don't think we have a dommy character in the game that's that loving and encouraging throughout the whole thing. All the hellhounds are great (well, Ushris is bottom tier for me because I don't like that kind of content) but Ceris just hits all the buttons. Definitely hoping to see more content for them.
