Ren'Py Monster Girl Dreams [v26.6 Alpha] [Threshold]

[confusedreamer]

Vivian gave me Nara, so that's a definite positive in my eyes, since she's one of my favorite girls in the game. Other than that, though...let's say I wouldn't mind giving her a few George Costanza-esque whacks with the Demon Layer. I'm already in debt, woman. You're making this shit more of a hassle for me. I think she deserves SOME kinda punishment, even if it's just comical punishment.

Nara's one of my favs as well...(fucking dies waiting for the promised Nara fluff content from way back)

Still, I explained earlier that Vivian was taking advantage of Nara's loss of her best friend to match her with the PC, Vivian admits to this. There's a million fucking ways the PC-Nara interaction could've gone wrong realistically, but we aren't given the choice to cook Nara in-game for her pathetic way of trying to fight mongirls, or just get mad at her and leave by using magic to break through the barrier she makes.

Moreover, having a woman recovering from depression dance on a mountaintop/cliff is....not something you want if you're concerned for her well-being. Especially when said woman is still somewhat depressed. Especially when said woman has fallen down multiple times and would've died if it weren't for harpies watching over her. PC at least knows about the harpies, Vivian has 0 clue and still lets her do so.

 

[Noah Neim]

Moreover, having a woman recovering from depression dance on a mountaintop/cliff is....not something you want if you're concerned for her well-being. Especially when said woman is still somewhat depressed. Especially when said woman has fallen down multiple times and would've died if it weren't for harpies watching over her. PC at least knows about the harpies, Vivian has 0 clue and still lets her do so.

Nara is depressed at worst but not suicidal, her falling is far closer to cluminess and osha violations than it is for her desire to end her life over a friend

Death is also impossible, in the world of pure happiness and joy made by the cotton candy pink clouds death doesn't exist, cause that's too serious of a topic to write about.

 

[confusedreamer]

Nara is depressed at worst but not suicidal, her falling is far closer to cluminess and osha violations than it is for her desire to end her life over a friend

Death is also impossible, in the world of pure happiness and joy made by the cotton candy pink clouds death doesn't exist, cause that's too serious of a topic to write about.

True dat, but realistically, my man.

I prefer this game being lighthearted tho, and not having any real bad endings outside of Perpetua and maybe one more in the future. But Kotone's past is a thing, and there's likely more dark themes ahead (something something capital mongirls are vicious).

If Vivian meets with Lillian in-game and we see them talk it'd be great, and would probably clear up some questions. Would be cool if they talk about Nara and PC, as both end up in the church after being defeated by the other.

 

[AestheticSeeker]

Why are you putting these as good deeds? The 2nd literally outright almost kills you, and yes, it was fucking intentional, se knew jennifer and the other big boobed one are complete morons, and knew that cathrine wass a newbie succubuss, that was a disaster waiting to happen, she tricked you and sent you there knowing that, that's attempted murder, she has zero fucking sympathy from me


Oh boy, we're gonna have a vivian argument now

Cause you get to have sex with hot desperate ladies in your area!

he 2nd literally outright almost kills you, and yes, it was fucking intentional, se knew jennifer and the other big boobed one are complete morons, and knew that cathrine wass a newbie succubuss, that was a disaster waiting to happen, she tricked you and sent you there knowing that, that's attempted murder, she has zero fucking sympathy from me

Bro if you're going to twist yourself into thinking that's attempted murder that's on you.

In my eyes, she heard about some succubi camping out in the mountains, who "with her connections" she heard about running low on energy, and decides to send you to them, believing in the safety of the enchantment.

I don't know how you can blame her for the faults of others.

still impedes you without conssent,

This isn't the insane thing you're making it out to be imo.

Cause being impeded is literally getting married to a hot monstergirl who's constantly horny for you and who you can make happy for the rest of your days.

Fighting through temptation to thwart the demon queen is literally the plot.
And the temptation comes through everywhere.

Elena would be happy if you stopped adventuring and just lived with her as her sole husband.
She also indirectly tasks you with resolving the earth dragon's situation, which is temptation to stay with her.

There's a million fucking ways the PC-Nara interaction could've gone wrong realistically, but we aren't given the choice to cook Nara in-game for her pathetic way of trying to fight mongirls, or just get mad at her and leave by using magic to break through the barrier she makes.

Moreover, having a woman recovering from depression dance on a mountaintop/cliff is....not something you want if you're concerned for her well-being. Especially when said woman is still somewhat depressed. Especially when said woman has fallen down multiple times and would've died if it weren't for harpies watching over her. PC at least knows about the harpies, Vivian has 0 clue and still lets her do so.

The enchantment is weird.

You don't actually meet people you're completely incompatible with, with how it works. You can't get to a destination by "knowing the directions" you can only get there by having the destination in mind, and heading "towards it." The challenges you face, and treasure you obtain along the way aren't set because of that.

Some other adventurer probably met a very special unique Alraune just for them in the forest, that you'll never interact with because that's for them. That being said, meeting the girls you do meet is kinda like a fate thing. Hell, the Mimic in the game appears just for you according to the golden Mimic's dialogue anyway.

This is with the sole exception of the bosses of the game of course. Everyone gets a shot at them to get the sigils.

So if you think about it, Vivian playing matchmaker with you and Nara is surprisingly more safe than it looks on the outset wouldn't you say? I'm not 100% on this but wouldn't you just... not meet if the enchantment deemed you incompatible or wtv? Though I FULLY ADMIT that's just conjecture.

Otherwise, yeah it's just storytelling, and I do agree there's a lot of ways that meeting could've gone wrong. Thankfully, our player character is not allowed to be a shithead.

I do not think Vivian was trying to kill us by sending us to the campers. I do however get the impression she's trying to stop us from advancing in general by trying to get us hooked on someone.

This is the most likely plot point.

Vivian is in line with the Demon Queen's way of thinking, and for her she just wants people to meet their monster girl soulmates. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

And I say all this as not a big fan of her btw.
I love aggressive and dominant girls! I don't like temptation generally cause that's more of a maledom thing you know.

I like that in Kotone's backstory you learn about the more violent Demon Queens of the past, and now this new Demon Queen is trying to integrate humans with monsters through pleasure instead of violence. It's still kinda forceful, and the threat of the Demon Queen pushing her views without communication with other nations is pretty crazy.

Like... the enchantment becoming global magic instead of just located to the island is such a crazy ass thought. She's honestly scary to force that on everyone, and I wanna see her stopped, but "why" she's doing it makes sense to me so far.

 

[confusedreamer]

The enchantment is weird.

You don't actually meet people you're completely incompatible with, with how it works. You can't get to a destination by "knowing the directions" you can only get there by having the destination in mind, and heading "towards it." The challenges you face, and treasure you obtain along the way aren't set because of that.

Agreed, good point about the enchantment. Nara may very well be the only human, out of a gazillion adventurers, who has good chemistry with the PC. We see this in the capital where the PC can only sense the presence of other adventurers but not see them.

Vivian is in line with the Demon Queen's way of thinking, and for her she just wants people to meet their monster girl soulmates. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

Does Vivian know which adventurers can and cannot see each other? Her plan to have Nara stop PC would've fallen flat if Nara couldn't even see him due to the enchantment, and Vivian wouldn't know that beforehand, so either she's got good matchmaking instincts or is in cahoots with the Demon Queen.

 

[Noah Neim]

Cause you get to have sex with hot desperate ladies in your

area!

NEVEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRR
I WILL ERASE THE HERETICAL CHILDREN OF THE DEMON QUEEN FROM THIS WORLD RAHHHHHH

Bro if you're going to twist yourself into thinking that's attempted murder that's on you.

In my eyes, she heard about some succubi camping out in the mountains, who "with her connections" she heard about running low on energy, and decides to send you to them, believing in the safety of the enchantment.

I don't know how you can blame her for the faults of others.

I admitted that the way this looks is absolutely not thresh's actual intention, im going to interpet it in the way it looks, not the way he thinks it looks though.

"The safety of the enchantment" is a farce, it doesn't ensure your actual safety other than life. You can still be permamently kidnapped, and just never come back, i can hardly call that safety or a good action. We also almost 'die' anywayss, because the enchantment doessnt consider soul deprivation to be death it seems, thiss is also technically permament imprisonment, but why tf would i want that to happen with fucking cathrine, i abhor the concept of people's soulss being taken by succubi and 'living in paradise' but i can see people being happy about it, im not.
Cathrine can't be blamed, she literally hesitates 3 times over because to some extent she isnt used to the concept of milking a man for food, and second, because she knew she hass no control over her own ability, she almost kills you and turns into a sobbing mess. She can't be blamed after she told you sshe might fuck up after YOU and her 2 friends reasured her its fine.
Jennifer and the other one are also at fault obviously, they were given a job and they failed at it, and it's not like im trying to put the blame off of them. But the entire situation happened purely because of vivian, she was the one who sent you to feed 3 sex demonss ALONE, are you crazy woman? We're practically barely past a newbie adventurer stage at that point.

This isn't the insane thing you're making it out to be imo.

Cause being impeded is literally getting married to a hot monstergirl who's constantly horny for you and who you can make happy for the rest of your days.

Fighting through temptation to thwart the demon queen is literally the plot.
And the temptation comes through everywhere.

Elena would be happy if you stopped adventuring and just lived with her as her sole husband.
She also indirectly tasks you with resolving the earth dragon's situation, which is temptation to stay with her.

That's because i do consider it an impedement, im not subscribing to bullshit hero ideologies but im also not forgoing my duty that i was given by literal god, i know the circumstances are super suspicious and i want answers, sso ill make it to the end, not settle down.
The temptations of everyone else are just a part of the world, vivian's are a direct and intentional act of impeding your progress as an adventurer, no matter what you want to say or how good you want to put marriage with a monster girl to be, it's selfish and disrespectful of her to do this.

This is the most likely plot point.

Vivian is in line with the Demon Queen's way of thinking, and for her she just wants people to meet their monster girl soulmates. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

I don't want her to, i never asked, and i never will, and i hope she stops otherwisse the enchantment won't stop me from letting her meet venereae.
People like vivian who go against your goals yet then pretend like they did you a favor are the worst, even if i go along the narrative that vivian really didn't expect for you to almost 'die', i still won't like her

Like... the enchantment becoming global magic instead of just located to the island is such a crazy ass thought. She's honestly scary to force that on everyone, and I wanna see her stopped, but "why" she's doing it makes sense to me so far.

It's actually not known who put it up, just that it was put up by a demon queen, atleast on paper, you missed my schizophrenic theory but venereae being the one who put the enchantment seems both more likely and believeable. If the dq were powerful enough to warp reality humanity would've perished in the war with or without the help of the heavens, such level over power is unlikely to come from a demon queen, and if does, we're fucked on all fronts and winning is impossible.

 

[AestheticSeeker]

That's because i do consider it an impedement, im not subscribing to bullshit hero ideologies but im also not forgoing my duty that i was given by literal god, i know the circumstances are super suspicious and i want answers, sso ill make it to the end, not settle down.
The temptations of everyone else are just a part of the world, vivian's are a direct and intentional act of impeding your progress as an adventurer, no matter what you want to say or how good you want to put marriage with a monster girl to be, it's selfish and disrespectful of her to do this.

You sound like the type of guy who'd complain at his girl for giving him a blowjob while he's driving.

Also nah, it's not disrespectful, because she's literally just giving you the option.
If you don't like them, boom, you get defeated sent back home, and keep trying to defeat the demon lord.

If you do like them, you give up, and become their husband.

Literally the only difference between the PC and other adventurers is whether or not you give up on your quest (besides chosen hero thingamabob.)

People like vivian who go against your goals yet then pretend like they did you a favor are the worst, even if i go along the narrative that vivian really didn't expect for you to almost 'die', i still won't like her

Everyone has their own goals, and as the PC you don't have any "set" goals.

If you as a player meet Tabitha and say, yeah, that's my wife, and never progress through the game past that point that's also your choice and a completely valid one.

Elena's goals are to be a successful guildmaster. Her sister's goal is to be a successful wizard and all that.
Jora's goal is to find friendship and intimacy.

People working towards their own goals isn't inherently a bad thing.

But the entire situation happened purely because of vivian, she was the one who sent you to feed 3 sex demonss ALONE, are you crazy woman? We're practically barely past a newbie adventurer stage at that point.

I mean... if Catherine wasn't there you'd be fine?

They can give energy back through sex too.

The issue at the end of the day was that one of them is a new succubus that almost kills you in a pleasurable way. Vivian doesn't know about this, and if this new succubus wasn't there you'd be fine? You literally can't put the ownace on her bro.

 

[Helivesoncemore]

I would just like to say, Jora accidentally injures a harpy. The enchantment is not fail-proof even outside of soul eating and kidnapping and toxic matanago and mantacore addiction, et cetera et cetera.

 

[AestheticSeeker]

It's actually not known who put it up, just that it was put up by a demon queen, atleast on paper, you missed my schizophrenic theory but venereae being the one who put the enchantment seems both more likely and believeable. If the dq were powerful enough to warp reality humanity would've perished in the war with or without the help of the heavens, such level over power is unlikely to come from a demon queen, and if does, we're fucked on all fronts and winning is impossible.

I'm of the opinion, that it's the demon queen.

Venerae is a goddess of fertility and farming, and the enchantment wasn't always there. Considering she wants humans to be able to stand up to monsters, I don't think she's the culprit for it.

Sophia and the Lizard Girl also mention how relatively recent it is with them not being able to use violence anymore, so I think it's fair to say that the demon queen did make the enchantment as some HUGE ritual magic. Wait, doesn't Sophia explicitly say it's the new demon queen that did the enchantment? I could be misremembering tho. I barely remember the names of the characters let alone the plot XD.

More importantly, there's most likely a 3rd party trying to fuck everything up, by using the energy of the enchantment in a corruptive manner.

Probably remnants of the old demon queen, who wants a world of violence to come back?

I would just like to say, Jora accidentally injures a harpy. The enchantment is not fail-proof even outside of soul eating and kidnapping and toxic matanago and mantacore addiction, et cetera et cetera.

OK yeah... not saying the enchantment is fullproof but like... COME ON!

That's like not a concern normally.

YOU GET A SWORD THROWN THROUGH YOU. For the average person, concerns over physical harm are practically gone. It's completely sensible to trust in the enchantment and recall stones.

Now, soul-eating yeah I agree with you. It's a crime. It's probably how we're gonna get introduced to our first villain of the story. Since we as players associate soul-eating as one of the few avenues left to cause harm under the enchantment, it gives Thresh an avenue in writing to create dramatic tension.

Now Kidnapping and Addiction are a separate story. Like... you gotta put in an actual effort to get addicted. All those adventurers getting addicted to Toxic Matango? Skill issue. Why the fuck do you keep coming back to fuck the mushroom!? Same with Manticores.

But I do agree that kidnapping could be an issue. I don't remember if you can use the recall stone on your own, or if you have to be defeated first tho. That I'll give.

 

[Noah Neim]

You sound like the type of guy who'd complain at his girl for giving him a blowjob while he's driving.

Also nah, it's not disrespectful, because she's literally just giving you the option.
If you don't like them, boom, you get defeated sent back home, and keep trying to defeat the demon lord.

If you do like them, you give up, and become their husband.

Literally the only difference between the PC and other adventurers is whether or not you give up on your quest (besides chosen hero thingamabob.)

If she wants us to fucking crash yeah i will, i can hardly see how its relevant to the point though, im stuck up when it comes things like this, i don't like any girl enough to actually consider such a choice acceptable, and im too mad at the adventuring authorities, who im going to sue to the ground on behalf of every other scammed adventurer, if i can't sue then i'll just go full freedom fighter

I mean... if Catherine wasn't there you'd be fine?

They can give energy back through sex too.

The issue at the end of the day was that one of them is a new succubus that almost kills you in a pleasurable way. Vivian doesn't know about this, and if this new succubus wasn't there you'd be fine? You literally can't put the ownace on her bro.

Yes she does, jennifer and heather (Finally remembered her name) came to that house with cathrine, she didn't come there herself, they were assigned to her, and this living arrangement has been a thing atleast for a little while now, if vivian's people were doing the transfers she 100% knew cathrine was there.

 

[blewdster]

So I just died to Dark Perpetua and lost over 30 levels of progress. Teach me not to save.

 

[tonyhawksunnyd]

So I just died to Dark Perpetua and lost over 30 levels of progress. Teach me not to save.

check your autosaves

 

[Memebotter]

How to fight Amber? She is really pissing me off with her rude lousy shopkeeper attitude!

 

[Noah Neim]

How to fight Amber? She is really pissing me off with her rude lousy shopkeeper attitude!

BEcause you're probably an asshole, amber is always a good judge of character

 

[EmDotRand]

How to fight Amber? She is really pissing me off with her rude lousy shopkeeper attitude!

Have you been honest with her? I straight told her that I'm a degenerate pervert and she instantly perked up.