- Aug 1, 2019
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Yeah I can see what your saying however at least when it comes to human women, it's not like they're actively being hunted by monsters. Most monsters monsterize women as a favor and if I recall correctly, only the extremist/progressive faction actively goes after women.I said something similar to this in the thread in the past but I think the biggest issue with KC's stuff is that they want people to approach their stuff from the perspective of it being a fetish work but it's also trying to be framed in a more serious way where that contradicts a fetish work style reading of it. Like the Fallen Maiden stuff is a good example of this, like you're meant to view it as them becoming "their true selves". But if you aren't approaching that from the perspective of a fetish work then it becomes increasingly hard to not read it as some degree of brainwashing and I feel like that could've been alleviated at least a bit by just using a better framing device and making it so their transformation wasn't due to being pumped full of mana and instead something like their desire for the self-insert reaching a tipping point and reaching some sort of revaluation about their true nature.
Also, there are cases where women monsterize pretty much on their own like Dark mages and undead rising in places of low mamono mana (basically ambient mana). Mamono mana is still a bit involved but it's not being forced on them. Yeah a person could wander into a mamono realm and monsterize but they'd be able to tell if they were in a place with high concentration of mana and avoid it. What I'm getting at is that in most cases of monsterization not involving the extremists faction, there seems to be a willingness to become a monster. And even in cases of accidental or forced monsterization, strong underlying emotions or intentions related to romance or lust (which all humans have at least some of) are a strong catalyst for mamono mana. This is supported by this from the sabbath grimoire.
" Mamono mana has the property of being strongly drawn to emotions and intentions. Perhaps because of the succubus mana contained within, it will attempt to erode especially aggressively and bind with women whose hearts are filled with emotions such as “desire”, “love”, and “attachment”, or complex entanglements of them. Mamono mana acclimates more easily to human women who have such powerful emotions and mentalities, and they may be innately highly predisposed to monsterization and conversion into a specific race. "
You can take from the above that a person without those emotions would be very resistant to monsterization. However since the Order through their indoctrination repress these emotions which then tend to build up in the back of one's minds. For this reason monsterization could be seen as one being released from the Order's oppression and becoming more true to themselves.
As for men, yeah they tend to get attacked and turned into incubi. Though even then with non-succubus or monsters that don't have very high mana, the process to becoming an incubus is very slow. In that time, in the case of an attack one could satisfy the monster (much like in the game) or escape and in the case of more consensual situations, just stop and still remain human. It's just that monsters are so beautiful, lustful, and emotionally caring that most choose to stay with the monster. There are also monsters and even nations (Zipangu, The land of the Four Gods) whos norms are not to attack men.
Basically what I'm saying with all this is that it seems that most cases of monsterization happens with people who on some level desire to become a monster as it is reasonably avoidable and is harder to do with people who genuinely don't desire it and mamono mana is mostly a means to explain the how of it. At least that's how I see it.
BTW if we're talking brainwashing, if any group is guilty of that then it'd be the Order with their indoctrination and how poorly they treat their heroes (as living weapons), not to mention that there are also Divine realms (Usually in temples ect. in Order territory) and since mana has influences on all beings, there's likely things going on with that.