HTML Monster Girl Farmer [Demo] [Bawdy Ink Slinger]

[aspar4gus]

I really like your writing style and wouldn't mind additions of many characters to cater for everyone, but it'll be more preferable if some of these more fetishized contents like futa/trans are entirely skippable.. i'd love to keep playing this game

 

[Bawdy Ink Slinger]

I really like your writing style and wouldn't mind additions of many characters to cater for everyone, but it'll be more preferable if some of these more fetishized contents like futa/trans are entirely skippable.. i'd love to keep playing this game

Most fetishes will be skippable, just like in my previous game.

To clarify a minor nit in my reply, I'm not planning on fetishizing the trans or futa characters (any more than the cis characters).

 

[Bawdy Ink Slinger]

sorry I was rushing out the door at the time and I think I can reply to this in a better way. Let me have a do over

I really like your writing style and wouldn't mind additions of many characters to cater for everyone, but it'll be more preferable if some of these more fetishized contents like futa/trans are entirely skippable.. i'd love to keep playing this game

in my previous game, Academy of Fetishes, before every scene started, it gave you a hint of what was going to happen and then it gave you a choice of whether or not to proceed. Sometimes it gave you this choice multiple times. I plan for all sexual scenes in Monster Girl Farmer to be the same way.

When it comes to trans characters, you'll be given a choice to partake in their sex scenes but you don't have to. And I'm not going to make it uncomfortable, where she's wagging her dick under your nose asking you to sniff it, etc. before you can choose. You'll be warned before anything crazy happens. But, some (maybe all) trans characters will be required to join your farm for you to progress in the game. Just want to reiterate, you don't have to do anything sexual with them, but you will have to interact with them.

 

[aspar4gus]

And I'm not going to make it uncomfortable, where she's wagging her dick under your nose asking you to sniff it, etc. before you can choose.

Hahaha omg that example you made on the first part deja vu-ed me of another game (i only remembered it was sci-fi.. on renpy i guess) that did exactly that in the past and noped me the hell out

Just want to reiterate, you don't have to do anything sexual with them, but you will have to interact with them.

Yep, this is fine by me.. Thank you for taking the time to explain it clearer

 

[Master of Puppets]

Your experience may be different from mine, of course, but every definition of sh***ale I've found says the word is offensive. Wikipedia says it has been used pejoratively since the 19th century, though with a different meaning than today. And it says, "Most people in the transgender community consider the term offensive and degrading." In other words, I can only find evidence the word is offensive. If there is a non-offensive version of the word, I can't find it.

Above, you said the word should/could still be used when the speaker doesn't intend offense. In my opinion, that depends on the context. If someone is totally ignorant of the meaning, I agree they should get a pass until they are informed.

But when someone says a word offends them, and you reply, "I didn't intend to, and for that reason, I'm still going to use it," how do you think they will feel? They'd probably perceive that as an insult and a disregard for their feelings, right? At the very least, annoyance and resentment, I'd think -- do you disagree? If you disagree, how do you think they'll feel? If you agree, there must be something more important than their feelings to justify using the word. What is that justification?

The justification would be that I don't think it's offensive, and the word is the only one that accurately describes what I'm talking about. The people who claim that it's offensive say it's because it's sexualising and pornographic, and shaming the women who do accept the term for being in the adult industry. I have a low opinion of people who look down on sex workers. And we are on a porn game forum talking about porn games. Complaining that the word is pornographic is a little silly, no?
If an individual asks me not to use the term when talking to them, of course I won't, but I'm not going to purge my vocabulary because someone claiming to represent the trans community says I should.
If someone insists on taking offence where none was meant when we're not even talking about them, that's generally a red flag warning that they are more trouble than they are worth. I try to avoid people like that where possible, that kind of negativity is bad for you.

 

[Bawdy Ink Slinger]

The justification would be that I don't think it's offensive, and the word is the only one that accurately describes what I'm talking about.

Okay, but there were a bunch of unanswered questions:

1. How do you think they will feel?
2. They'd probably perceive that as an insult and a disregard for their feelings, right?
3. At the very least, annoyance and resentment, I'd think -- do you disagree?
   1. If you disagree, how do you think they'll feel?
   2. If you agree, there must be something more important than their feelings to justify using the word.
4. What is that justification? You did answer this one.

 

[Kontrah]

Okay, but there were a bunch of unanswered questions:

1. How do you think they will feel?
2. They'd probably perceive that as an insult and a disregard for their feelings, right?
3. At the very least, annoyance and resentment, I'd think -- do you disagree?
   1. If you disagree, how do you think they'll feel?
   2. If you agree, there must be something more important than their feelings to justify using the word.
4. What is that justification? You did answer this one.

Spoiler: In consideration for anyone's feefees I've put this into a spoiler, read at your own discretion. Extreme rumblings of a madman inside.

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[Master of Puppets]

Okay, but there were a bunch of unanswered questions:

1. How do you think they will feel?
2. They'd probably perceive that as an insult and a disregard for their feelings, right?
3. At the very least, annoyance and resentment, I'd think -- do you disagree?
   1. If you disagree, how do you think they'll feel?
   2. If you agree, there must be something more important than their feelings to justify using the word.
4. What is that justification? You did answer this one.

Are you going to acknowledge my point that I looked into why it's supposedly offensive and reject the argument, especially in this context? Appealing to the feelings of a hypothetical person who might be offended doesn't really sway me. These are not good-faith questions, it seems more like an attempt at browbeating. If it is, it's a waste of time. I decide for myself what words I think are acceptable, other people don't get to decide that for me, they need to convince me. And 'imagine this person who is offended, don't you feel bad for them?' isn't a compelling argument.

 

[darkenergy100]

Message from the dev's Patreon 12/3/2020:

TL;DR They lost their artist, looking for a new one.

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[Laughingfox]

It's get that everybody is super fired up and motivated for posting, but this is also a whole heck of a lot of not monster girl farmer speak out here. I'm trying to imagine the dev wading through all of this which seems.. exausting.

When I cast my game into the grand interwebs, I'm just going to slap the disclaimer "there are various bits and dicks on all sorts of babes and blokes in a science fiction, fantasy type blend. There are words use here, some of which the reader may not enjoy, or offend. Play or do not."

Anywho! Game type questions! So, we've got a field and some semblence of a farm, with a initial population of one giving it a go in a semi rural frontier.

Out of curiosity, what level is the technology at, anyway? Semi western plus or minus the six shooters, dark future soilent green is people, or contemporary internet and smartphones everywhere? The reason is ask is the status of 'fear' and communication between people, or even potential monster girls. Seems like it's mostly word of mouth, which is probably the best way to go because it makes all dialogue sorta dileberate and personal. Messengers have to ride out, or owners, town tolk, or monsters have to meet the player personaly, etc. etc.

As it is a ranch, and the MC is trying to run it, any chance of training a ranch hand or plucky assistant? Especially if the grounds end up being more active?

How hands on is the narrative going to go in regards to supplies and products? I.e. milking cowgirls or bulls, or whatnot?

How.. generous.. can our characters physical attributes be? And how malleable are they? Do monster girls products alter the 'human' form, modestly or otherwise? For example, say my character has the power of bewbs. And due to the constant consumption of monster girl, uh, good and sevices, will they have the potential to grow further? Or better yet, could they *also* be able to donate/get milked along side potential cowgirls in the ranch?

Gotta earn the monies somehow!

In a similar train of thoughts, most 'monster girls' tend to be pretty well endowed if they do have the wangs, so maybe the MC can discover a method of becoming more gradually accomodating and accustomed to taking bigger and better things, in a very real and personal sense. Or just handwave the physics and such away. Cause if not, the MC and any overtly curious townsolk are going to be very much at risk.

A lot of 'farm' style stories tend to cater to a generic harem center figure, and usually a dudebro, and mostly reserved in terms of interaction. Or they swing wildly for the other side and it's a semi creepy slavery simulator. So personally, I'd love to see some sort of middle ground where the MC can potentially build a farm from the ground up, get involved on both sides of the ranch production, and generally have the option to be on both sides of the fence in regards to happy, sticky, explosive sexy times.

Are the current NPC's set as they are, lower equipment wise? Feels like a missed opportunity not being able to deal with raging horsewang bonors regarding the recently obtained centaur huntress and protector. Also, before I forget: she's pretty awesome. Spent her entire life protecting others, semi badass, missed a lot of the golden years, now figuring themseleves out, but still kind of adorably goofy here and there. Possibly my favorite, but doggo has plenty of potential too.

Anyway, enjoying the game, and the setting. Looking forward to whatever comes next. Sorry to hear about the artist being unavailable for the time being!

 

[Bawdy Ink Slinger]

It's get that everybody is super fired up and motivated for posting, but this is also a whole heck of a lot of not monster girl farmer speak out here. I'm trying to imagine the dev wading through all of this which seems.. exausting.

It is, but to be honest, I'm bringing it upon myself. I'm choosing to continue the conversation. I'll stop doing that after this reply since I'd rather be thinking about the game. My intention isn't to get the last word in; those involved can reply if they want, but I'm going to try to resist replying to those replies (if that makes sense).

Laughingfox I'll reply to your questions separately. Thanks for asking them!

Appealing to the feelings of a hypothetical person who might be offended doesn't really sway me. These are not good-faith questions, it seems more like an attempt at browbeating. If it is, it's a waste of time.

I assure you I'm neither browbeating nor asking questions in bad faith. Throughout this conversation I've tried my best to be civil and listen patiently to your side so I can understand it. I'm putting in that effort to empathize with your position. If you feel browbeaten by these questions, I apologize, as it's not my intention to intimidate.

'imagine this person who is offended, don't you feel bad for them?' isn't a compelling argument.

"I won't be convinced if I answer your questions" isn't a compelling argument for ignoring them.

Are you going to acknowledge my point that I looked into why it's supposedly offensive and reject the argument, especially in this context?

I appreciate your research on the topic. I think it's admirable. But it's not your right to decide what's offensive to others. Of course, it's your right to not care if they are offended. Also, your research seems incomplete: there are more reasons than that for why the word is offensive.

Whew, that's a load off my chest, though I have to say, a porn-game forum ain't really the best place for discussions like these, eh?

That's something we can agree on Again, I take full responsibility for starting and perpetuating the conversation.

I'm glad you like the game and there will be lots more but stuff in the future. I prefer it over vaginal stuff, hah.

 

[Bawdy Ink Slinger]

Out of curiosity, what level is the technology at, anyway? Semi western plus or minus the six shooters, dark future soilent green is people, or contemporary internet and smartphones everywhere?

I see it as contemporary internet but without smart phones everywhere. The world is modern, but so rural, amenities like that are difficult to come by.

As it is a ranch, and the MC is trying to run it, any chance of training a ranch hand or plucky assistant? Especially if the grounds end up being more active?

I'll probably end up doing that because I foresee it being overwhelming when you get more and more girls.

How hands on is the narrative going to go in regards to supplies and products? I.e. milking cowgirls or bulls, or whatnot?

Very hands-on. In the cave, which isn't in the game yet, is a gremlin girl who's gonna make all sorts of fun devices and whatnot.

How.. generous.. can our characters physical attributes be? And how malleable are they? Do monster girls products alter the 'human' form, modestly or otherwise? For example, say my character has the power of bewbs. And due to the constant consumption of monster girl, uh, good and sevices, will they have the potential to grow further? Or better yet, could they *also* be able to donate/get milked along side potential cowgirls in the ranch?

I haven't thought about the stuff but I should. I think it's one of the things that makes Fenoxo games popular, the ability to transform your main character. To be honest, it's an intimidating challenge. Having the choice between penis and vagina makes every intercourse scene at least 1.5x more work. Sometimes 3x. I haven't played TiTs long enough to transform my body, so I'm not sure how they implement your character changing in a way that is scalable.

Last night on discord, I was discussing an idea of a shop that would let you temporarily transform into certain monster girls. But the keep the permutations down, you would transform back before he left the shop. Maybe that's lame.

In a similar train of thoughts, most 'monster girls' tend to be pretty well endowed if they do have the wangs, so maybe the MC can discover a method of becoming more gradually accomodating and accustomed to taking bigger and better things, in a very real and personal sense. Or just handwave the physics and such away. Cause if not, the MC and any overtly curious townsolk are going to be very much at risk.

I'll think about that. I have to admit this also seems intimidating to implement.

A lot of 'farm' style stories tend to cater to a generic harem center figure, and usually a dudebro, and mostly reserved in terms of interaction. Or they swing wildly for the other side and it's a semi creepy slavery simulator. So personally, I'd love to see some sort of middle ground where the MC can potentially build a farm from the ground up, get involved on both sides of the ranch production, and generally have the option to be on both sides of the fence in regards to happy, sticky, explosive sexy times.

maybe I'm not understanding the nuance here, but isn't the game already like that?

Are the current NPC's set as they are, lower equipment wise? Feels like a missed opportunity not being able to deal with raging horsewang bonors regarding the recently obtained centaur huntress and protector. Also, before I forget: she's pretty awesome. Spent her entire life protecting others, semi badass, missed a lot of the golden years, now figuring themseleves out, but still kind of adorably goofy here and there. Possibly my favorite, but doggo has plenty of potential too.

The MC will probably be able to transform, but I don't know about transforming other NPCs' genitals. That's kind of low on my to do list.

Anyway, enjoying the game, and the setting. Looking forward to whatever comes next. Sorry to hear about the artist being unavailable for the time being!

Thank you! I might have found a new artist, but I'm not ready to officially announce that as it isn't a sure thing.

 

[Laughingfox]

No lie, it definately seems the more variations that exist, the more cumbersome it'll be to juggle or even deal with the variables. It does add a more immersive level of detail for that personal touch, but could certainly be a nightmare to implement. The easier route by far would just be using the monster girls for various situations as neccessary (cowgirls for milking, bulls for breeding, harpys for eggs, etc. etc.)

You could also just have a few optional 'enhanced' attribute states such as being particuarly busty or flat, or rampantly endowed, but limit the changes to general alteration of the human scale. I.E. all the bovine monster girl milk can make the the MC gain some ponderous breasts if that's the way they wanna go, but that's where the adjustments/mutations stop. They are still fundamentally human in design and practice.

As to why the protagonist can develop any changes at all, be more resilient, or simply be more attractive than normal to the locals can be blamed on genetics, random chance, or maybe they have a great grandparent or something down the family tree that got busy with a monster girl, so a little bit of mixed blood is in the PC, wether they know it or not.

The notion of the MC doing the route of 'going a bit native' with the monster girls and finding they themselves can be used for production is a fun scenario, but not worth mucking up your story if it ends up being too daunting.

..Despite saying this, another fun optional event could be that the protagonist is challenged by one of the groups of monster girls (or a tribe) in form of competition, and needs to prove that they can produce just as much as them via milk or baby batter (or both) to be considered worthy of their time or trade. Or it could just be a literal endurance match but with sexy times with the monster girl tribe.

Last bit of curiosity-- you mentioned monstergirls are mostly feared or frowned upon, but how *legal* is it to be peddling their various wares? Is this something the farmer needs to actively hide, or just is it just viewed askance from society?

 

[Master of Puppets]

"I won't be convinced if I answer your questions" isn't a compelling argument for ignoring them.

When the questions appear to be rhetorical ones it really is, though.

 

[Bawdy Ink Slinger]

The easier route by far would just be using the monster girls for various situations as neccessary (cowgirls for milking, bulls for breeding, harpys for eggs, etc. etc.)

That's what I have been planning

The notion of the MC doing the route of 'going a bit native' with the monster girls and finding they themselves can be used for production is a fun scenario, but not worth mucking up your story if it ends up being too daunting.

what would be an example of that happening?

Last bit of curiosity-- you mentioned monstergirls are mostly feared or frowned upon, but how *legal* is it to be peddling their various wares? Is this something the farmer needs to actively hide, or just is it just viewed askance from society?

That's a good question. None of the early items scream "monster girl." So at first the locals will just think the main character is growing amazing food. There is a scene I'm going to write where the townsfolk accept monster girls as much as you do. This will lead to much more monster girls setting up shops.

 

[Master of Puppets]

what would be an example of that happening?

I suppose the MC drinking a bit too much cowgirl milk and starting to lactate herself would be one example.

 

[Bawdy Ink Slinger]

I suppose the MC drinking a bit too much cowgirl milk and starting to lactate herself would be one example.

And then selling their own milk? or is that not an important detail?

 

[Laughingfox]

*Helpful shrug* Depends on how you want to classify it. Is it considered standard human breastmilk, or did the change make it so the protagonist can now produce quality monster girl grade milk alongside the other cowgirls? (And thus open up narrative scenes on being on both ends of the milking process.) If it's tasty, in high demand, and thus a potential cash cow (pun absolutely intended).. who is to know otherwise? Your world, your rules.

 

[Master of Puppets]

Being a monstergirl being contagious if you drink their raw, unprocessed products is something that comes up from time to time with regards to them.

 

[Bawdy Ink Slinger]

cool I like these ideas.I'll keep them in the back of my mind, but for the time being, I have a long list of features I want to work on first. Keep them coming though