Unity Monster Girl Project [v2024-12-26] [DreamDemon]

[Tosoms]

Look, it's pretty apparent to me, that DreamDemon has a tendency to focus on the negative rather than the positive.
I don't know if anyone here should be trying to give him advice, as he's not in the right frame of mind for it.
Nor judging him harshly for taking out his frustrations.
And Dream, I don't know about you being "robbed" but there are people like me who will support you when we can, but the cold reality is that I wouldn't even know about, nor ever contribute any money to your project without having been able to keep track of it through piracy.
Most of the people that pirate your project are those that if they can't pirate it, they still won't pay for it, whether that's because they don't have disposable funds, or are just selective with their spending.
Piracy is the main thing that has kept my interest in your works and put the idea in my mind
"When I have more financial stability, maybe I'll subscribe"

And well, lots of people are just assholes with nothing of any value to say.
It isn't reflective of how people feel about you and your efforts, overall.

 

[boredman110]

I wasn't expecting to see all of this happen but I'd figured I'd give my 2 cents

I don't remember which comment on this site caused this downward spiral, but there was a point where I think the dev got so focused on the negative feedback it started to affect him.

And I could armchair philosophize the cause-effects, but the dev should take a step back and realize that constantly being negative and especially threatening self-harm is not the way to go.
As everyone said before: the download page is too confusing, development is long, people are suspicious about crowdfunding, etc. Even if said concerns are or aren't valid, constant negativity isn't going to help. Much as I want this project to succeed, that's a surefire way to alienate people. (I'm pretty sure English isn't the dev's first language also so there's probably a language barrier as well)

I'd even go as far as to say that he should stop interacting with people (at least on this site), as it seems a lot of animosity is towards people on F95. User interaction is great and all, but for the dev's sake I think its better if he takes a break from this site until he learns about dealing with feedback better.

 

[Narakin]

There's also the problem with porn game developers that, well, 90% never finish the project. Stardew fucking valley took 4 years to develop, same deal, single person, now we have visual novels and other games with a basic engine that would allow for a faster game dev and, nope, nothing. This one is no exception.

 

[werebackandwerebonedocks]

another yanderedev in the making

 

[Sulphyre]

I wasn't expecting to see all of this happen but I'd figured I'd give my 2 cents

I don't remember which comment on this site caused this downward spiral, but there was a point where I think the dev got so focused on the negative feedback it started to affect him.

And I could armchair philosophize the cause-effects, but the dev should take a step back and realize that constantly being negative and especially threatening self-harm is not the way to go.
As everyone said before: the download page is too confusing, development is long, people are suspicious about crowdfunding, etc. Even if said concerns are or aren't valid, constant negativity isn't going to help. Much as I want this project to succeed, that's a surefire way to alienate people. (I'm pretty sure English isn't the dev's first language also so there's probably a language barrier as well)

I'd even go as far as to say that he should stop interacting with people (at least on this site), as it seems a lot of animosity is towards people on F95. User interaction is great and all, but for the dev's sake I think its better if he takes a break from this site until he learns about dealing with feedback better.

I kinda just saw this game, so the drama aside as I have no idea who's getting a mental breakdown and why.

To your point about confusing downloads, also on their Patreon (what I could read):

What even is this "game"?

I see 5 separate download links, the instructions simply say "Extract archive and run".
Expanding the spoiler, there are like 7 more categories of links.

What's a theme?! What's "Game World"??????

What the heck is even all this? Is it a game? CG collections? Is it a game + DLC? Is it episodic? Is that what "Theme" is?

Feel free to point me to some buried comment with explanations, I'm sorry if I missed it but there's 40 pages of comments and idk how much is just drama.

 

[DocRipper]

The man is solo, without the team of AAA devs so I don't really blame him for how long it takes. I mean it IS slow for someone claiming that this is their sole way to make a living but I can understand and I respect the work that hes done, what I don't respect is his attitude on here and on discord. I briefly joined the discord (the public one, before I was banned) and he said some "someone broke the peace" and on the paid one he posted a screenshot of my post telling the supporters to get the download link FROM ME and if there are any problems with the download link they must talk TO ME. I'll still support the dev, I currently switched to a monthly tier but christ.

edit: god willing theres a minimap next update im so lost

Damn..That sounds bad..and it makes less and less sense.
Well.. It's clear that it's much worse than it seemed, it's all built up and exploded.
It's always the same problems and posts: trolls, pirates, Redamz, less support/income, failed Steam, the principle of collective guilt and now "broke the peace - declaration of war"... and those negative emotions keep piling up and now it's showing up on Patreon and Discord too? That's really bad...bad..

DD really needs to at least take a break, put the project onhold and sort out his thoughts.

There's also the problem with porn game developers that, well, 90% never finish the project. Stardew fucking valley took 4 years to develop, same deal, single person, now we have visual novels and other games with a basic engine that would allow for a faster game dev and, nope, nothing. This one is no exception.

Yeah.. However, DD never left this project .It's a one-man army project and also a rare exception - a lot of in-house work and assets, models, music etc. No crap.. He put a lot of effort into it, but he can't explain it to people patiently, marketing is also his weak point. He expects everything to go by itself and it will sell itself..but the success doesn't come and frustration grows...

DD also released a lot of builds, it just took a long time before he started working on the game. They were all random scenes without context, just showcase builds and there is so much material that it is difficult to organize it all. OP actually have only a fragment of what was created. It was difficult to update the OP, so almost no one knew that this project existed and therefore the problem of recruiting potential new supporters, no other platform existed.

 

[DocRipper]

I kinda just saw this game, so the drama aside as I have no idea who's getting a mental breakdown and why.

To your point about confusing downloads, also on their Patreon (what I could read):

What even is this "game"?

I see 5 separate download links, the instructions simply say "Extract archive and run".
Expanding the spoiler, there are like 7 more categories of links.

What's a theme?! What's "Game World"??????

What the heck is even all this? Is it a game? CG collections? Is it a game + DLC? Is it episodic? Is that what "Theme" is?

Feel free to point me to some buried comment with explanations, I'm sorry if I missed it but there's 40 pages of comments and idk how much is just drama.

Basically the last paragraph in my previous post is an explanation of the problem.

or here

https://f95zone.to/threads/monster-girl-project-v2024-12-26-dreamdemon.25013/post-12503604
https://f95zone.to/threads/monster-girl-project-v2024-12-26-dreamdemon.25013/post-12938783

Newest game build is under "Monster Girl World Pure".

However, I must admit that the OP is confusing and it needs some cleaning. Just leave the game build there and throw the old themes under the spoiler as a "themes collection" or something. ..

 

[defnotalt]

I have no idea about what this game is about, but after reading the last pages, I'd like to comment on F95/pirating vs patreon.

Most users on this site will just download whatever they like and never pay a thing for it. The devil is in the details though: the vast majority of those users would have never subscribed to the dev's patreon or paid for the game in the first place, so the monetary loss is negligible.

A relatively small number of F95 users, though, actually have no problem paying money for a game if they enjoy it. Due to how bloated the indie R-18 game space is, a lot of them would have either never found the game or wouldn't have trusted their money without seeing it for themselves first. In both scenarios, F95 increases discoverability and allows them to experience the game, so they can make the decision of paying for the game or subscribing to patreon without the risk of paying for something that ends up being garbage.

The last part is especially important, since we all know a lot of R-18 games are underwhelming to say the least, so who wants to take a gamble everytime they see something that might interest them but aren't sure? This is somewhat alleviated with game demos, but sometimes demos are a bit too limited to see the whole picture, and the discoverability is still an issue.

So, my point is that your game being in F95 is rarely a net negative, and is usually either a net zero (no meaningful effect) or a net positive if your game is good/shows promise. Some people might choose to laugh at my reasoning, but if you don't see how as a small R-18 game dev being exposed to literally thousands of people can get you a pretty healthy amount of initial support (granted your game delivers), I don't know what to tell you.

Lastly, if there is one way for your game being posted here to be a net negative, is to antagonize people in nonsensical ways. I'm not sure how many times I've had to tell people this, but if you don't show respect for your potential costumers, you can only blame yourself if they decide to not pay out of spite.

I hope your life gets better, but please never ever make threats of self-harm again, that is not how you should act whenever things don't go your way, even if it's frustrating.

 

[DEADLORAN2]

I understand people drama and all shit, whatever, but is there any way to cheat in pure version?

 

[Mistervd]

Merry Christmas, heres the complete version (nsfw) because I saw this and thought it was stupid
View attachment 4376965

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edit: out of some respect for the dev, I won't be sharing future updates.

Thanks for the link, dude!

 

[Mistervd]

Basically the last paragraph in my previous post is an explanation of the problem.

or here

https://f95zone.to/threads/monster-girl-project-v2024-12-26-dreamdemon.25013/post-12503604
https://f95zone.to/threads/monster-girl-project-v2024-12-26-dreamdemon.25013/post-12938783

Newest game build is under "Monster Girl World Pure".

However, I must admit that the OP is confusing and it needs some cleaning. Just leave the game build there and throw the old themes under the spoiler as a "themes collection" or something. ..

This is one the reasons that, even when I had money to spare in this, I never sub this dev.
The presentations is a mess, in f95zone there's 10+ links and you don't even know what you're playing or downloading, and if you go to the dev's patreon he just post things at random without explaining anything at all.

Now for what I read here over the months he has a discord for subs and there you can download just 1 (ONE) link with everything on it, so if you are sub this is not a problem, BUT HOW CAN A RANDOM GUY LIKE ME THAT WANT TO BUY THIS GAME KNOW THAT?

At least with other games you can go to their patreon and see a post with "version 0.2.2.c2 is completed! you can go to this link and download it" That way you can keep track of everything and if, for example, you can't give the dev money for 2-3 months, once you come back you just go to the backlog to see all the updates and their changelogs.

My guess is that because this dev isn't a native english speaker (I'm one too btw) he doesn't know how to convey how much he works and how many stuff he adds each months... unless you go to a 20$+ discord server...

And that hurts EVEN when he wants to give older builds for free, he just redirect you to a page with 8+ links out of order without any sort of guide, like who in the right mind would see that and say "I want to support this dude!", nobody. You said it best yourself with this "He put a lot of effort into it, but he can't explain it to people patiently, marketing is also his weak point. He expects everything to go by itself and it will sell itself "

I really wish he takes a couple months off the internet, takes care of his mental health and comes back with a better way to communicate with subs and people like me that just want to see a clear vision before giving him money.

Something as simple as fusing all the older builds that are free in a single link and naming his patreon post better telling people the changes each new version has goes a long way.

Then again this dude threatened to harm himself because people are being mean to him on the internet... I know he won't survive another instance of his game leaking at this point...

 

[cyberkaps]

Noticed this game having an update, just to find a shitshow here.

But personally I would rather not see this project implode, cause dev doing typical asian creative meltdown. And on subject of piracy. You have two groups of people, ones who would never pay you even if only way to get stuff is by paying and others who would find your project existing and would support you...That's how I found reds game and wasted like 250 bucks, I call that lesson learned. So in a sense its better treat piracy as creative like something that always will happen and be greatful to people who support you and last thing you would want to shit on people who pay you to just fight pirates. Your typical big games already spit at paying costumers faces and last thing I would want to see small porn indie game dev doing same song and dance.

Just another thing, sooner dreamdemon streamlines his work into singular builds the better. It's already hard enough to understand wtf this project even is with all that bloated confusion. This maybe be my opinion, but seeing this "scenes" were only publicly released on oct 30 while being this confusing really knee capped project visibility. And I prob was few curious ones who threw money to find out what this thing really was.

 

[Mistervd]

But personally I would rather not see this project implode, cause dev doing typical asian creative meltdown.

You said it the best, I love asian people and their culture. The stuff they create each day is really amazing and a breath of fresh air in this day and age, but they can't take criticism for shit.

Just another thing, sooner dreamdemon streamlines his work into singular builds the better. It's already hard enough to understand wtf this project even is with all that bloated confusion. This maybe be my opinion, but seeing this "scenes" were only publicly released on oct 30 while being this confusing really knee capped project visibility.

You're literally me! This would solve so many issues and help the game gain even more popularity.

 

[Ornlu]

wow I remember this game and paid for it in the past... you have a problem that there is no product (change so much), and you really already have it done (you have good models, animations and the new 2d world with 3d interactions is a good idea for a creator who works alone)As advice, stop overthinking things, create a hub "village" where gater all the MG that you already have created and expand around (bum, you already have a game) then you can create new things calmly when you have the foundation ready.... you already have it, just never implemented it (It's the only advice I can give you as a video game geek that I am )

 

[dreamdemon]

I'm not sure if it's a translation problem.
Like I said, I don't want to add annoying authentication mechanisms to the game.
I don't want to terminate my project.
Who would want to destroy the results of years of hard work?
But this is the only way I can express my dissatisfaction.
Hurt/destroy my project I worked so hard to create.

You want me to rest for a few days.
This isn't the first time I've heard this.
But the fact is that soon some people will say that the project is starting to delay and the developers are lazy.
I continue to work hard to produce content every month just to show that I am diligent.
As a result, even after 5 years, some people are still questioning that the project is being delayed and there is nothing in it.

Now, I can't even express my dissatisfaction.
Because it would cost me more.

I can only continue to endure it until the day I collapse.

 

[Ornlu]

I'm not sure if it's a translation problem.
Like I said, I don't want to add annoying authentication mechanisms to the game.
I don't want to terminate my project.
Who would want to destroy the results of years of hard work?
But this is the only way I can express my dissatisfaction.
Hurt/destroy my project I worked so hard to create.

You want me to rest for a few days.
This isn't the first time I've heard this.
But the fact is that soon some people will say that the project is starting to delay and the developers are lazy.
I continue to work hard to produce content every month just to show that I am diligent.
As a result, even after 5 years, some people are still questioning that the project is being delayed and there is nothing in it.

Now, I can't even express my dissatisfaction.
Because it would cost me more.

I can only continue to endure it until the day I collapse.

You already have the content created, stop overworking, use what you already have

 

[Mistervd]

I'm not sure if it's a translation problem.
Like I said, I don't want to add annoying authentication mechanisms to the game.
I don't want to terminate my project.
Who would want to destroy the results of years of hard work?
But this is the only way I can express my dissatisfaction.
Hurt/destroy my project I worked so hard to create.

You want me to rest for a few days.
This isn't the first time I've heard this.
But the fact is that soon some people will say that the project is starting to delay and the developers are lazy.
I continue to work hard to produce content every month just to show that I am diligent.
As a result, even after 5 years, some people are still questioning that the project is being delayed and there is nothing in it.

Now, I can't even express my dissatisfaction.
Because it would cost me more.

I can only continue to endure it until the day I collapse.

Yeah it has to be a comunication issue, I don't think your work ethic nor the quality of your works are the problem, it's the way you express with your subs and people that arent your subs.

"some people will say that the project is starting to delay and the developers are lazy" yeah there's always gonna be trolls, but your loyal fans will wait YEARS for a new update if they really like your projects. Now I don't condone waiting years for an update but the truth is that people love good quality stuff and are willing to wait for it.

"As a result, even after 5 years, some people are still questioning that the project is being delayed and there is nothing in it" because as an outsider we don't know anything about this game, we don't know what are your working on, we don't know whats new, we don't know which type of game this is. I'm sure your 20$+ subs in your discord know all about your game and you talk daily with them. but outside of that we just heard from you with patreon (and those are lacking) and in here when you play victim.

 

[uglywolf]

It it understandable that people who indeed put their money to support the game development would have a high expectation. Sadly, only a few numbers of them will actually capable of being patience and reasonable.
Most will just turned selfish, not by choice, hopefully. But due to the money that has been involved.

Anyway, we can only hope the dev is capable to sort his thoughts out. The moment he got baited and keep lashing back, not just towards the trolls really made some of his supporters loses interest.

You want me to rest for a few days.
This isn't the first time I've heard this.

Then, that's the solid proof that people around you indeed worried about you.

And those who knows nothing about game developing, might try resorting a comparison between you and some other solo dev, most likely without even looking at many aspects.

Now, I can't even express my dissatisfaction.
Because it would cost me more.

I can only continue to endure it until the day I collapse.

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[oldmasterxd]

The man is solo, without the team of AAA devs so I don't really blame him for how long it takes. I mean it IS slow for someone claiming that this is their sole way to make a living but I can understand and I respect the work that hes done, what I don't respect is his attitude on here and on discord. I briefly joined the discord (the public one, before I was banned) and he said some "someone broke the peace" and on the paid one he posted a screenshot of my post telling the supporters to get the download link FROM ME and if there are any problems with the download link they must talk TO ME. I'll still support the dev, I currently switched to a monthly tier but christ.

edit: god willing theres a minimap next update im so lost

sometimes a hero path is the hard way xD

 

[DocRipper]

This is one the reasons that, even when I had money to spare in this, I never sub this dev.
The presentations is a mess, in f95zone there's 10+ links and you don't even know what you're playing or downloading, and if you go to the dev's patreon he just post things at random without explaining anything at all.

Now for what I read here over the months he has a discord for subs and there you can download just 1 (ONE) link with everything on it, so if you are sub this is not a problem, BUT HOW CAN A RANDOM GUY LIKE ME THAT WANT TO BUY THIS GAME KNOW THAT?

At least with other games you can go to their patreon and see a post with "version 0.2.2.c2 is completed! you can go to this link and download it" That way you can keep track of everything and if, for example, you can't give the dev money for 2-3 months, once you come back you just go to the backlog to see all the updates and their changelogs.

My guess is that because this dev isn't a native english speaker (I'm one too btw) he doesn't know how to convey how much he works and how many stuff he adds each months... unless you go to a 20$+ discord server...

And that hurts EVEN when he wants to give older builds for free, he just redirect you to a page with 8+ links out of order without any sort of guide, like who in the right mind would see that and say "I want to support this dude!", nobody. You said it best yourself with this "He put a lot of effort into it, but he can't explain it to people patiently, marketing is also his weak point. He expects everything to go by itself and it will sell itself "

I really wish he takes a couple months off the internet, takes care of his mental health and comes back with a better way to communicate with subs and people like me that just want to see a clear vision before giving him money.

Something as simple as fusing all the older builds that are free in a single link and naming his patreon post better telling people the changes each new version has goes a long way.

Then again this dude threatened to harm himself because people are being mean to him on the internet... I know he won't survive another instance of his game leaking at this point...

It's sad, but most of it is true...especially the last paragraph..hard to find words and respond... At least those now free builds could have been in one mega pack.

Noticed this game having an update, just to find a shitshow here.

But personally I would rather not see this project implode, cause dev doing typical asian creative meltdown. And on subject of piracy. You have two groups of people, ones who would never pay you even if only way to get stuff is by paying and others who would find your project existing and would support you...That's how I found reds game and wasted like 250 bucks, I call that lesson learned. So in a sense its better treat piracy as creative like something that always will happen and be greatful to people who support you and last thing you would want to shit on people who pay you to just fight pirates. Your typical big games already spit at paying costumers faces and last thing I would want to see small porn indie game dev doing same song and dance.

Just another thing, sooner dreamdemon streamlines his work into singular builds the better. It's already hard enough to understand wtf this project even is with all that bloated confusion. This maybe be my opinion, but seeing this "scenes" were only publicly released on oct 30 while being this confusing really knee capped project visibility. And I prob was few curious ones who threw money to find out what this thing really was.

Hehe. another Reds victim?
You might remember that Red had a similar experience. But eventually merged the separate day/test builds into one main game build and things became more unified - just two releases - new showcase build/then game update.