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Rosenkranze

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Umm, for the bee girl royal jelly, who do you talk to to trigger knowing they have it? I remember getting it before, but can't seem to trigger it now.
 

Nightmare800

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Ok, you don't like gameplay. Seriously. The worst part of JRPG games is the menu-based combat system (instead of the action-based combat system from other action games), which the VN had. Some people like freedom, they like going to places, they like seeing a character they actually control moving around, a simulated universe they can see, a camera they can control, and not just a book with pictures together with the worse part of JRPGs. I have nothing against books, they serve their purpose, tell a story, but some people find it better when you have more visual hints of the story, when you follow the characters, see them interact, control them decide how to prepare for a challenge, how to approach a situation, etc... As for grinding, the second worst thing of JRPGs, I'm trying to minimize incentives for that, and deal with it. What you call shenanigans, we call gameplay, it's not perfect by all means, but there is a reason why Final Fantasy and other jRPGs are so successful.
But this game STILL has the menu-based combat system where you input orders rather than an action combat system. And final fantasy used this system solely because of the engine limitations at that time and square tried it's damnest to get away from it, with things like ATB and spin offs like crisis core and dirge of cerberus. It's your decision but the fact that the game was a VN with combat did away with both grind and the stupid amount of leg work which don't really add much at all.

No disrespect but I feel like this a waste of time, peeps around here are already sick of RPGM games, which is why MGQ was so successful, it broke the tedium of having to run around like a retard being interrupted with random enemy encounters every few seconds.
 

BlasKyau

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Where can you get the "Adonian Wooden Sirloin Recipe" and "recipe of zanant special"?

But this game STILL has the menu-based combat system where you input orders rather than an action combat system. And final fantasy used this system solely because of the engine limitations at that time and square tried it's damnest to get away from it, with things like ATB and spin offs like crisis core and dirge of cerberus. It's your decision but the fact that the game was a VN with combat did away with both grind and the stupid amount of leg work which don't really add much at all.

No disrespect but I feel like this a waste of time, peeps around here are already sick of RPGM games, which is why MGQ was so successful, it broke the tedium of having to run around like a retard being interrupted with random enemy encounters every few seconds.
Well, I like the game system, actually much more than if the game were made in a VN. In fact, I don't intend to play the original by the system it has. If you want to play it like a VN, you already have the original. This is an RPGM version for those who prefer that game system.

What I don't understand is why it bothers you that this version is made, let us who prefer this version to the other enjoy it.
 
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Nightmare800

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Well, I like the game system, actually much more than if the game were made in a VN. In fact, I don't intend to play the original by the system it has. If you want to play it like a VN, you already have the original. This is an RPGM version for those who prefer that game system.

What I don't understand is why it bothers you that this version is made, let us who prefer this version to the other enjoy it.
I'm just baffled as to why would anyone think that adding grinding, random battles and endless walking would benefit the game in any way, it just adds unnecessary balast to a game that was designed so that it doesn't bore you with these elements. It just pads out the game length with next to no actual banefit, if any at all.
 

BlasKyau

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I'm just baffled as to why would anyone think that adding grinding, random battles and endless walking would benefit the game in any way, it just adds unnecessary balast to a game that was designed so that it doesn't bore you with these elements. It just pads out the game length with next to no actual banefit, if any at all.
Well, I'm not going to play the original, that's for sure. I like this system much more.

I've started some games with turn-based RPG fighting and VN gameplay and haven't finished any. If it's an RPG, I want to be able to move around a map and fight random enemies - that's what I like about RPGs. I suppose if you don't like it, you don't see the point, but for that you have the original, which you can play, so why don't you let us who do like it enjoy this version?
 

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I'm just baffled as to why would anyone think that adding grinding, random battles and endless walking would benefit the game in any way, it just adds unnecessary balast to a game that was designed so that it doesn't bore you with these elements. It just pads out the game length with next to no actual banefit, if any at all.
And that's why I say these people don't like gameplay. You talked about Square, and the action RPG they put forth later, but you know, there was a Legend of Zelda on NES, there was a Legend of Mana on SNES, both action RPGs, so don't talk to me like it was engine limitations. FF7 was PS1, and that thing could port Doom with all its glory.

VNs, for many people, including myself, can't be considered games. They lack the freedom that games have. On JRPGs, yeah, you can grind to get a little easier time on a boss, and you know where else you can grind? Megaman 7. Grind isn't mandatory, is an option, if you wanna play the game on hard, kill the least as possible. And some games, like this one, try to discourage the player to do it. hell, if you go on the easy mode, you basically don't have to face a single monster girl but the bosses. Challenges and Options these things are what games are about. VNs don't have both.
 

BlasKyau

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I think I have finished everything that can be done in this update. I have to say that I'm quite liking the game. (y) :)
 

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I think I have finished everything that can be done in this update. I have to say that I'm quite liking the game. (y) :)
Glad to hear it, especially from someone that has no knowledge of the VN, since as I said, there are a few changes and additions to it. I'm glad to know that by itself this game can still be considered good.
 
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BlasKyau

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Glad to hear it, especially from someone that has no knowledge of the VN, since as I said, there are a few changes and additions to it. I'm glad to know that by itself this game can still be considered good.
It's quite unlikely that I will play the original. But this one is very good, I like the story and the characters. About the sex scenes... I haven't seen the vast majority of them. Since I wasn't liking the first Alice's scene, I skipped it using shift, and did the same with the following ones. Nor can I say that I loved the other consensual sex scenes, I've seen them, but overall they haven't interested me enough to read everything.
 

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It's quite unlikely that I will play the original. But this one is very good, I like the story and the characters. About the sex scenes... I haven't seen the vast majority of them. Since I wasn't liking the first Alice's scene, I skipped it using shift, and did the same with the following ones. Nor can I say that I loved the other consensual sex scenes, I've seen them, but overall they haven't interested me enough to read everything.
Ok, I'm curious now. At least Mirian's scene is fully consensual, and Luka even makes a move or two, so I could swear a guy that doesn't like rape could like at least that scene. So what kind of scenes do you like? More like the male dominant thing? Or Passive girl with an active male?
 

BlasKyau

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Ok, I'm curious now. At least Mirian's scene is fully consensual, and Luka even makes a move or two, so I could swear a guy that doesn't like rape could like at least that scene. So what kind of scenes do you like? More like the male dominant thing? Or Passive girl with an active male?
It isn't that I dislike all of them, it's that they have bored me. The handjob and blowjob scenes don't appeal too much to me, and, in this game, they are too long to my taste: at some point I get tired of reading them and skip them (it usually happens to me in all games if these types of scenes get too long). The footjob and boobjob scenes directly bore me. I don't dislike them, but I'm not going to see them.

For the rest, I don't like domination (neither male nor female), so after Alice's first scene, which if it wasn't femdom it hid it very well, I preferred not to see any other of her. They weren't the only scenes that could be considered, for my taste, as too close to femdom.

Finally, the parts with long tongues aren't exactly to my taste, so I have completely passed seeing those scenes.

I'm possibly one of the players with the most vanilla tastes on the forum.
 

goggle5

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Hey, there's a monster that you may want to make a one time event in Selene's cave. The mimic drops 300 gold and 100 experience when you defeat her, making her the most valuable target in the game in terms of farming.

This may break the game if someone decides to grind her.
 
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