Downloaded for some good old NTR but got into a never ending whirlpool of severe female domination, slavery and BDSM. Not mine, sorry.
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- Jul 4, 2017
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"There is no vanilla relationship in the game"
Truly an understatement. Unless you enjoy unapologetic toxic and abusive relationships, you will most likely dislike this game.
I would have loved to explore all the femdom kinks within what seemed a successful marriage, but the monster the wife turned into ruined everything.
Since it doesn't seem like there is a moderate path even if fighting back during reasonable moments (which just leads to a game over), and after looking at the renders to see what scenes I avoided, I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything fun. Chapter 3 and 4 are both mostly boring, with just a few good scenes at all.
About the loan shark, not giving us any choice about the plot line at all feels incredibly immersion breaking. Everything about it is basically predetermined by the author, and we have no influence on the outcome at all, so MC of course not only doesn't fully read it, but also fails to hire a lawyer to try and fight it, which he should have done before even going to the corrupt police. Go outside town if you have to, but don't ever just submit to fraud and blackmail.
That unconscionable contract should easily fall under Unfair Surprise, even with the link to an explanation included in the contract, and MC could probably also argue for Duress after the fact. An 800% increase of the debt would be annulled by pretty much every court, though this dev would probably still make them not do that, because the dev said so and corruption must be everywhere in this game. Wherever the game is set, but since I see basically only English text on signs within the game, it's probably the US, so these terms should in fact apply, but I'm not a lawyer, which is why MC should have sought one out immediately for at least a consultation.
Unless alternate paths are added later on, I see this game as wasted potential with too restrictive choices to be any fun at all. Appealing to a niche audience is usually a good idea, but if you can appeal to multiple audiences without compromising on your desired one, like by adding alternative dialogue that isn't as toxic, that is of course a much better business decision.
Truly an understatement. Unless you enjoy unapologetic toxic and abusive relationships, you will most likely dislike this game.
I would have loved to explore all the femdom kinks within what seemed a successful marriage, but the monster the wife turned into ruined everything.
Since it doesn't seem like there is a moderate path even if fighting back during reasonable moments (which just leads to a game over), and after looking at the renders to see what scenes I avoided, I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything fun. Chapter 3 and 4 are both mostly boring, with just a few good scenes at all.
About the loan shark, not giving us any choice about the plot line at all feels incredibly immersion breaking. Everything about it is basically predetermined by the author, and we have no influence on the outcome at all, so MC of course not only doesn't fully read it, but also fails to hire a lawyer to try and fight it, which he should have done before even going to the corrupt police. Go outside town if you have to, but don't ever just submit to fraud and blackmail.
That unconscionable contract should easily fall under Unfair Surprise, even with the link to an explanation included in the contract, and MC could probably also argue for Duress after the fact. An 800% increase of the debt would be annulled by pretty much every court, though this dev would probably still make them not do that, because the dev said so and corruption must be everywhere in this game. Wherever the game is set, but since I see basically only English text on signs within the game, it's probably the US, so these terms should in fact apply, but I'm not a lawyer, which is why MC should have sought one out immediately for at least a consultation.
Unless alternate paths are added later on, I see this game as wasted potential with too restrictive choices to be any fun at all. Appealing to a niche audience is usually a good idea, but if you can appeal to multiple audiences without compromising on your desired one, like by adding alternative dialogue that isn't as toxic, that is of course a much better business decision.
- Sep 16, 2021
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Me on the other side, love it exactly for the slow transformation into a really hardcore thing. Would like some futa ntr tho. The loan shark is a little over the top, but it doesn't break my suspension of disbelief.
I have been loving the game, but I do agree with what some other people have said about the lack of choice and alternative (less violent/extreme) paths.
The wife goes from loving to not caring about the husband at all, it would be nice to have her be dominant but still love the husband with different choices, or the choice to not fall into the contract trap, things like that.
The wife goes from loving to not caring about the husband at all, it would be nice to have her be dominant but still love the husband with different choices, or the choice to not fall into the contract trap, things like that.
This game looked interesting when I first saw it. I love femdom games, especially brutal ones, and everything on the tin for this one seemed amazing. And realistically it is, I really just have one problem with it. Every single character in this game has the general intelligence of a pile of bricks.
And even then, I'm fine with dumb people in games. The problem here is that these characters are portrayed as intelligent (at least most of them) they come across with the intent of them being better (which yes, sure. Kinda a staple for femdom games). But the moment they start talking (or even the mc thinking) they make blatantly clear that they've never even heard of the social sciences, have an 1850's era understanding of psychology, and have worse communications skills than a newborn baby.
As it is, everything else about the game is fantastic. But the characters themselves make this game not worth playing. I apologise for a rather harsh review. But this game has made me angrier than I have been in a number of years.
And even then, I'm fine with dumb people in games. The problem here is that these characters are portrayed as intelligent (at least most of them) they come across with the intent of them being better (which yes, sure. Kinda a staple for femdom games). But the moment they start talking (or even the mc thinking) they make blatantly clear that they've never even heard of the social sciences, have an 1850's era understanding of psychology, and have worse communications skills than a newborn baby.
As it is, everything else about the game is fantastic. But the characters themselves make this game not worth playing. I apologise for a rather harsh review. But this game has made me angrier than I have been in a number of years.
Honestly i loved the slow progression this game had to offer. The most enjoyable parts being where Maria just got the office job, makes the MC service her without reciprocating and even the Helga scenes. It was great when she still cared for him but decided it was her way or the high way.
Where it started to lose a bit of lustre for me was with this secret dom society business and when Maria lost her love for the MC. She hardly cares about him as a person anymore and thus it makes their interactions to me less intimate because she could just be another random dom as opposed to the loving considerate wife she was coming from.
Also would love to see some Lisa content(?) I feel like the way Lisa's scenes were presented, she was being built up to at least have one scene or impactful moment with the MC but it just...never happened and might never happen tbh.
tldr; The soft femdom phase was great. More Helga and Lisa content. Not so interested in dom society content but thats my personal preference.
Where it started to lose a bit of lustre for me was with this secret dom society business and when Maria lost her love for the MC. She hardly cares about him as a person anymore and thus it makes their interactions to me less intimate because she could just be another random dom as opposed to the loving considerate wife she was coming from.
Also would love to see some Lisa content(?) I feel like the way Lisa's scenes were presented, she was being built up to at least have one scene or impactful moment with the MC but it just...never happened and might never happen tbh.
tldr; The soft femdom phase was great. More Helga and Lisa content. Not so interested in dom society content but thats my personal preference.
- Dec 16, 2019
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I say again i am all for Femdom but to go feom lovibg couple to vold hearted bitch ia just a bunch of bull. And taking all humanity away from fhe husband who supported her in the beginning. NOOOO that is redicilous everything could stay the same but the wife should still care CONSENT IS PART OF EVERY FETISH. Otherwise is rape en salvary.
Oh well you're completely wrong here, Maria is very caring about MC... She even sends him to school "study, darling, I have tortured, humiliated and bullied you so little..." Especially if you tried to resist Maria or any of the women in general (be it Helga, Megan, Deborah or even an athlete) during the first chapters (as MC), He will go there according to a specially selected program "the toughest"... Masha is a very good and kind girl, she tried... Bitch!
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While your criticism is a lot more restrained than what I've seen from some other folks here in the past couple of pages, honestly, what did you expect from a game that greets you with a screen saying "hard femdom games"? Cause "loving couple femdom" is not exactly what comes to mind
- there are plenty of games that have softer/more loving femdom out there (you can find a lot of them in the list linked in my signature if that's what you're looking for), but this isn't one of them, and that's fine as well!Yes, the narrative is somewhat contrived and I too find it unbelievable that the wife would, over the course of a few months, not only turn from a mostly-vanilla partner into a completely dominant one but also lose all of her feelings of love and appreciation for MC and treat him as a dehumanized tool that she uses to please herself, a lowly rug to wipe her feet on if you prefer. Her personality shift is forced from a writing perspective and generally such a drastic/complete change in someone's personality would realistically require far more time and/or dramatic events, not just the enticement of wealth and power from Deborah and her associates.
Also, consent can or can not be part of every fetish, as this is fiction. Irl mutual consent is the most important basis for any relationship or sexual interaction ofc, but fictional characters, unlike you and I, do not have rights. There are plenty of non-con, dub-con or rape games on this website, and there is nothing morally wrong about that, just as much as I am sure that you do not find depictions of murder in movies or video games immoral. Fictional characters in games, novels, what have you, offer people an outlet to expolre darker fantasies that they either couldn't or wouldn't want to try out in real life, so it's pretty futile and close-minded to try to police the morals of literature/games etc...
But, most importantly, all of this talk about lack of consent from MC or about the narrative being forced or Maria not needing to be this sadistic and cruel towards the protagonist misses the point! This is a hard femdom game for people who enjoy a journey into complete debasement at the feet of a beautiful woman, a dive into a pit of ever-worsening torment, humiliation and degradation, a progressive exploration into the depths of submission! You can criticize the writing for not coming up with more realistic excuses/plot devices for Maria's personality shift, but just attacking the game for delivering erotically exactly what the author set out to deliver from the very first version is stupid. This was meant to be a slow and dedicated vanilla-relationship-to-hardcore-femdom game, of which there are close to none out there, (the only similar one I can think of right now is the Japanese game "Escalation!", and that's significantly milder than "Moving Down") and it is very good at delivering just that! If you are far more into loving femdom that's perfectly fine, but not every game has to cater to those tastes and there's nothing wrong with more extreme content.
I keep seeing people complaining about realism as well and, as I said above, I partly agree, but at the end of the day all porn games compromise elements of realism to some extent, either for their premise, systems, what they want to allow the player to do and a plethora of other reasons - do you question the "realism" as often in battlefuck games? Monster girl games? Male power fantasy harem games? If you don't enjoy cruel non-con hard femdom that's ofc perfectly fine and then this isn't the game for you, but it's not any less realistic of a game (in fact I'd still say it's more so) than most of the games on this website!
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I'm interested in another question, in which femdom game did these critics see realism? No seriously, I have already played a large number of games downloaded on this site, and in none of them have I seen 100% realism, or at least close to 100%.While your criticism is a lot more restrained than what I've seen from some other folks here in the past couple of pages, honestly, what did you expect from a game that greets you with a screen saying "hard femdom games"? Cause "loving couple femdom" is not exactly what comes to mind
Yes, the narrative is somewhat contrived and I too find it unbelievable that the wife would, over the course of a few months, not only turn from a mostly-vanilla partner into a completely dominant one but also lose all of her feelings of love and appreciation for MC and treat him as a dehumanized tool that she uses to please herself, a lowly rug to wipe her feet on if you prefer. Her personality shift is forced from a writing perspective and generally such a drastic/complete change in someone's personality would realistically require far more time and/or dramatic events, not just the enticement of wealth and power from Deborah and her associates.
Also, consent can or can not be part of every fetish, as this is fiction. Irl mutual consent is the most important basis for any relationship or sexual interaction ofc, but fictional characters, unlike you and I, do not have rights. There are plenty of non-con, dub-con or rape games on this website, and there is nothing morally wrong about that, just as much as I am sure that you do not find depictions of murder in movies or video games immoral. Fictional characters in games, novels, what have you, offer people an outlet to expolre darker fantasies that they either couldn't or wouldn't want to try out in real life, so it's pretty futile and close-minded to try to police the morals of literature/games etc...
But, most importantly, all of this talk about lack of consent from MC or about the narrative being forced or Maria not needing to be this sadistic and cruel towards the protagonist misses the point! This is a hard femdom game for people who enjoy a journey into complete debasement at the feet of a beautiful woman, a dive into a pit of ever-worsening torment, humiliation and degradation, a progressive exploration into the depths of submission! You can criticize the writing for not coming up with more realistic excuses/plot devices for Maria's personality shift, but just attacking the game for delivering erotically exactly what the author set out to deliver from the very first version is stupid. This was meant to be a slow and dedicated vanilla-relationship-to-hardcore-femdom game, of which there are close to none out there, (the only similar one I can think of right now is the Japanese game "Escalation!", and that's significantly milder than "Moving Down") and it is very good at delivering just that! If you are far more into loving femdom that's perfectly fine, but not every game has to cater to those tastes and there's nothing wrong with more extreme content.
I keep seeing people complaining about realism as well and, as I said above, I partly agree, but at the end of the day all porn games compromise elements of realism to some extent, either for their premise, systems, what they want to allow the player to do and a plethora of other reasons - do you question the "realism" as often in battlefuck games? Monster girl games? Male power fantasy harem games? If you don't enjoy cruel non-con hard femdom that's ofc perfectly fine and then this isn't the game for you, but it's not any less realistic of a game (in fact I'd still say it's more so) than most of the games on this website!
And why do they need realism, they have little realism in life, it seemed to me all the way that people go to play games in order to get away (at least for a while) from realism.
- Apr 10, 2022
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Okay game. Just okay. 5/10. Feels like none of the choices matter at all. The plotline is very midly altered according to choices. Renders are good.
- Dec 16, 2019
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Any game is getting away from realism but also there should be some sort of line to keep from going to total fucked up lost of all morals pissing on the femdom community actually any community operating in fetish, Guess we all love fantacy but i thnk there is aline not to cross when it puts any fetish in a bad light. But i will leave it at that since this game is not for me and me and my mistress will continiou with consensual fantacy.
This chapter was one for the books (so to speak) at least from my perspective because it took me three nights to play. LOL I would stop when my anger at Maria and the MC grew too much! Damn, they both piss-me-off! LOL Thank you MironY for making this game... It's the first time that a game has enlisted such emotion from me... Well Whispering Pines is a close second, what a mind-fuck that is - I love it! ...well done MironY!
At this point in your game, I can honestly say I hate every character in it and none of them have any redeemable traits. The MC is the biggest idiot I've yet to see in any game I've played and the females are all border-line sadistic, showing no remorse or empathy towards those they deem to-be beneath them as they gain pleasure from their suffering. Even a wayward conversation alludes to how young some are when they realize they like torturing others. Which explains a lot about their character and their lack of empathy for others. I should clarify, I hate the characters not the game!
To some earlier commentators... Folks it's a game and not reality. LOL If it was 'reality' then everyone would be behind bars for bad-think and MironY would be our leader. LOL Anyway joking aside folks, enjoy the game for what it's supposed to be... Entertainment, nothing more!
On a side note... If this game were real-life, Maria would be laying in a pool of blood at the foot of the bed at this point "in the game". And if rolls were reversed, I expect the outcome would be the same for our MC. That type of pain and humiliation with no way out very rearly ends well. Just saying!
BTW MironY, I really hope you dig deep for the next chapter and unleash your worst on our idiotic MC!
Lastly... We need more Rita... Okay I need more Rita! I'd love to see a good long scene with Maria and Rita. Damn those two are sexy. LOL
At this point in your game, I can honestly say I hate every character in it and none of them have any redeemable traits. The MC is the biggest idiot I've yet to see in any game I've played and the females are all border-line sadistic, showing no remorse or empathy towards those they deem to-be beneath them as they gain pleasure from their suffering. Even a wayward conversation alludes to how young some are when they realize they like torturing others. Which explains a lot about their character and their lack of empathy for others. I should clarify, I hate the characters not the game!
To some earlier commentators... Folks it's a game and not reality. LOL If it was 'reality' then everyone would be behind bars for bad-think and MironY would be our leader. LOL Anyway joking aside folks, enjoy the game for what it's supposed to be... Entertainment, nothing more!
On a side note... If this game were real-life, Maria would be laying in a pool of blood at the foot of the bed at this point "in the game". And if rolls were reversed, I expect the outcome would be the same for our MC. That type of pain and humiliation with no way out very rearly ends well. Just saying!
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BTW MironY, I really hope you dig deep for the next chapter and unleash your worst on our idiotic MC!
Lastly... We need more Rita... Okay I need more Rita! I'd love to see a good long scene with Maria and Rita. Damn those two are sexy. LOL
I always wanted the MC to be trampled by Helga! Thank you!!! I hope for more Helga content! Milf? 10/10. Goddess? 10/10. Angry Mistress who wants to fuck and dominate you? 1000/10
That's totally okay (there are tons of games here that are "not for me"), but why do you (and many others) have to discuss this instead of just going away?
That's kind of rude of you KRanseyer. Why tell someone to go away for simply having an opinion on a subject. I guess you only want people in here that agree with you and your views and everyone else should be quiet and/or leave. Sorry sunshine, life doesn't work that way. You do understand what the word "Forum" means right...
Nope, "sunshine", I just have no intention to read the whinings and complaints of people who are "surprised" that there is something in the game that was clearly communicated by the tags.
So your guess is totally wrong, which is - your words - rude of you.
And if you are here a bit longer you will see what I mean. Especially postings like "oh no, there is NTR in a game that has 'NTR' in it's title, I don't like it, change that!". It's just like walking into a chinese restaurant and insisting relentlessly on getting a burger because that is you want.
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