Bro reading this gave me assignment flashbacks my god!!! I will read this tommorrow. This is actually well-detailed btw.
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Bro reading this gave me assignment flashbacks my god!!! I will read this tommorrow. This is actually well-detailed btw.
Thank you very much! I really enjoyed the game and I spent alot of time trying to compile as much information about it as I could. I hope you (and everyone else who reads it) enjoy it, and it is helpful, and let me know your thoughts about it when you get a chance to read it
I have only read a few stanzas so far its been a busy time these past few days. I should be free to read in a day or two.Thank you very much! I really enjoyed the game and I spent alot of time trying to compile as much information about it as I could. I hope you (and everyone else who reads it) enjoy it, and it is helpful, and let me know your thoughts about it when you get a chance to read it
I understand, no problem. Whenever you have some free time. I will be looking forward to hearing your opinion!
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I miss this game so much, i make Misaki pictures with AI hahaha, thankfully someone make a Lora of her.
P.S Sorry if you didn't like AI images, you can skip my post.
P.S Sorry if you didn't like AI images, you can skip my post.
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Same! I also miss the game a lot! Thank you for making and sharing those pictures! They're beautiful! I am not sure how to react with other emotions, such as love, since I only see a like button.
If you're on PC, if you let your cursor hover over the like button you should see the other emote options.
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Yes, it's downloadable, right on the first page. If that isn't enough you can try to make use of my WIP timeline that I posted, but beware it's extremely spoilery.
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Well... this was quite the trip of a VN... With the way I go into these things, and my own mindset, means that I missed out on getting emotionally gut punched... not that I care for that sort of thing to begin with... However, it's definitely not something I'd recommend to anyone sensitive or who self-inserts a lot unless they're an emotional masochist.
It's interesting how this thing basically has everything. Netorare, Netorase... and even Netori via Aida's perspective. Normally, trying to mix up all of these up in one single package is a good way to make a disaster... However, this VN paces itself carefully enough and takes enough time to develop the characters to ensure that it works well.
It's not perfect, but even so, I can understand why some people call it a masterpiece of the genre.
For me, it doesn't hit quite that hard even ignoring my personal mindset when it comes to hentai. I have to detract points for the fact that it ran through the usual cliches of the genre, which were already cliches when it originally came out:
-wishy-washy MC with about as much willpower as a tissue paper? Mostly check, though they gave him some good moments where he grows a spine, but they're few and far in between and they don't last long.
-smaller than average dick? Check.
-premature ejaculator? Check.
-Completely unable to make his partner cum over literal years of being together? Check.
-Absurdly blind to things around him most of the time? Yep.
Then for the partner:
-Unreasonably attractive but somehow absolutely completely inexperienced with anything about men? Check.
-Total slut once she gets awakened to the pleasures of sex? Check.
-About as much willpower as a wet tissue paper? Mostly check. She has like, a couple of moments where that's different.
-About as smart a brainless chicken? Yeeeeeeeeeeep. She's so stupid it literally hurts if you stop to think about it too much.
Then for the ones that cuck the MC:
-All of them have bigger dicks and on top of that, bigger than average in general? Check.
-All of them are skilled at sex, to a ridiculous degree? Check.
-All of them figure out the wife's weakpoints like they can read her mind? Mostly. Not clear with some of them.
I can't say for sure how tired the cliches were back when the VN originally came out, but these were already well known cliches of the genre at the time. It even has the "Cucked impotence" as I like to call it, aka the situation where the guy can't get hard unless he sees his partner with another person... but surprisingly, it only shows up briefly for the MC and only for a relatively short time, and on top of that, it gets mostly cured... unlike what usually happens.
In fact, they avoid actually having that in any ending at all, which is unexpected tbh.
Still, the biggest flaw, in my opinion, is the fact that basically nooooooone of the bad things would have happened if Misaki and McCuck-kun had a bit more willpower. Then later, after one particular bad thing happened that neither knew about at the time, nothing ELSE would have happened if Misaki wasn't literally dumb as a brick. Like. Seriously. She was so stupid. The whole blackmail set-up made absolutely no sense and her reasons for giving in made even less sense tbh. If she had even two brain-cells to rub together, she'd have taken that pic from Aida, showed it to her husband, and then talked about what to do like reasonable adults would. It wasn't even particularly bad and it wasn't anywhere near the typical situation for that sort of thing that might have a girl worry about social deat in Japanese society.
That detracts from things because it makes Aida look less like a capable manipulator and more like someone who got stupidly lucky to find the dumbest girl in the universe who's brains were reduced to compensate for the size of her rack...
Still, the way Misaki was handled over all was interesting. Stupidity aside... they made her perversion more complex than just being super sensitive and having a thing for big dicks. While big dicks clearly make it easier to make her cum her brains out, what seems to really be her button is a combination of shame, humiliation and masochism. This is interesting because in at least one of the endings, this nature of hers gets back in the hands of her husband, and that actually lets him please his wife. On top of that, she learns how to use her own body to take pleasure even from his smaller than average dick, and learns how to help him with his stamina problems.
This is very rare in netorare stories. The nympho partner being able to find sexual satisfaction with the guy she was originally cucked from doesn't happen often, as these stories generally don't acknowledge the complexity of pleasure, and generally have the girl simply have a thing for huge dick that can't be overcome.
Another interesting facet, which is also fairly rare in these stories, and possibly more rare when this VN came out originally... is the fact that Misaki never quite falls completely. While she's too stupid to avoid falling into the hole and can't figure out how to do anything except to keep digging, she genuinely seems to love the MC to the end no matter what. Her body and nature betray her and cause her to seek pleasure, but she never reaches the point where she intentionally does stuff like sends a tape of her getting fucked by another man to her husband as a farewell present as she forgets all about him. In fact, they entirely subvert this particular trope by having her go berzerk on the guy that was trying to steal her away for trying to pull such a thing off when she finds out about. Indeed, none of the bad-endings actually involve her staying with the guy that started the mess. Even in the ridiculous divorce endings, there's no mention of her marrying Aida, and in fact, it seems like she runs away from him and hides out with the Owner guy, and doesn't let him touch her either. Quite frankly, the bad endings are miserable for both her and the MC, leaning more into outright tragedy for the pair rather than kink fuel as you usually get for these types of stories.
It's an interesting choice that likely intensifies the emotional gut punch for the people that get attached to the characters, but which is likely unsatisfying for those that want a good wank/schlick and hoped for some kinky complete fall type stuff.
One thing that originally annoyed me but which later had me thinking in general, was the son, Masaki, who's father is either the MC or Aida. The VN, in all of its routes, never actually addresses who's son he actually is, leaving it to the reader's discretion to decide. It seemed odd that they didn't commit to it anywhere, because it certainly would have helped to further the emotional gut punch if he was Aida's son and it was 100% confirmed... Yet the VN never goes there in all its multitude of endings. On top of that, there's an interesting detail afloat. The MC is confirmed to have had some amount of sex with Misaki after that fateful trip, but the amount steadily declined as Aida played his game until it stopped entirely. On the other hand, Aida kept cumming inside her over and over... for years.
And Misaki didn't end up pregnant even though she was filled up repeatedly. In another VN, I might have thought that it was just typical porn logic... but it seems like too big of a thing to miss when the writing was otherwise quite meticulous about the details. It made me wonder if perhaps the writer(s) were intentionally saying that Aida's virility was extremely low, no matter how huge his dick was and how thick his loads were, so he was never able to impregnate Misaki. On top of that, the other guys that are after her don't get to cum inside her until one specific ending, and there's not enough time spent on said ending to know if any of them got her pregnant or not. One other guy was even forced to wear a condom. Indeed, only Aida is confirmed to have fucked Misaki without protection a LOT and intentionally risked impregnating her repeatedly.
Guess we'll never know unless there's some sequel or spin-off somewhere that covers that.
Beyond all that, the H-content is pretty vanilla if you ignore the context in which it happens. Simple positions, doesn't even touch anal aside from one instance of rimming. Only one group sex scene that isn't even shown on screen and which is mostly spit-roasting... The art is gorgeous though, and the majority of the scenes are animated, so that gives it points in that aspect.
However, the biggest crime of this VN, as far as I'm concerned, is that it didn't directly show us the scene where Misaki is bouncing on Kurosawa's dick while sucking the other guy who's name I forget. I don't care that McCuck-kun didn't want to see it. I wanted to see it dammit. -_-"
ANYway. All in all, a pretty good read, in spite of its flaws that made me want to groan and facepalm at times. It's not an outright masterpiece for me, but it was a decent story with decent hot elements to it. That's honestly not something I can say often about netorare focused stories. It could have been better, but that's really a matter of subjective preferences.
It's interesting how this thing basically has everything. Netorare, Netorase... and even Netori via Aida's perspective. Normally, trying to mix up all of these up in one single package is a good way to make a disaster... However, this VN paces itself carefully enough and takes enough time to develop the characters to ensure that it works well.
It's not perfect, but even so, I can understand why some people call it a masterpiece of the genre.
For me, it doesn't hit quite that hard even ignoring my personal mindset when it comes to hentai. I have to detract points for the fact that it ran through the usual cliches of the genre, which were already cliches when it originally came out:
-wishy-washy MC with about as much willpower as a tissue paper? Mostly check, though they gave him some good moments where he grows a spine, but they're few and far in between and they don't last long.
-smaller than average dick? Check.
-premature ejaculator? Check.
-Completely unable to make his partner cum over literal years of being together? Check.
-Absurdly blind to things around him most of the time? Yep.
Then for the partner:
-Unreasonably attractive but somehow absolutely completely inexperienced with anything about men? Check.
-Total slut once she gets awakened to the pleasures of sex? Check.
-About as much willpower as a wet tissue paper? Mostly check. She has like, a couple of moments where that's different.
-About as smart a brainless chicken? Yeeeeeeeeeeep. She's so stupid it literally hurts if you stop to think about it too much.
Then for the ones that cuck the MC:
-All of them have bigger dicks and on top of that, bigger than average in general? Check.
-All of them are skilled at sex, to a ridiculous degree? Check.
-All of them figure out the wife's weakpoints like they can read her mind? Mostly. Not clear with some of them.
I can't say for sure how tired the cliches were back when the VN originally came out, but these were already well known cliches of the genre at the time. It even has the "Cucked impotence" as I like to call it, aka the situation where the guy can't get hard unless he sees his partner with another person... but surprisingly, it only shows up briefly for the MC and only for a relatively short time, and on top of that, it gets mostly cured... unlike what usually happens.
In fact, they avoid actually having that in any ending at all, which is unexpected tbh.
Still, the biggest flaw, in my opinion, is the fact that basically nooooooone of the bad things would have happened if Misaki and McCuck-kun had a bit more willpower. Then later, after one particular bad thing happened that neither knew about at the time, nothing ELSE would have happened if Misaki wasn't literally dumb as a brick. Like. Seriously. She was so stupid. The whole blackmail set-up made absolutely no sense and her reasons for giving in made even less sense tbh. If she had even two brain-cells to rub together, she'd have taken that pic from Aida, showed it to her husband, and then talked about what to do like reasonable adults would. It wasn't even particularly bad and it wasn't anywhere near the typical situation for that sort of thing that might have a girl worry about social deat in Japanese society.
That detracts from things because it makes Aida look less like a capable manipulator and more like someone who got stupidly lucky to find the dumbest girl in the universe who's brains were reduced to compensate for the size of her rack...
Still, the way Misaki was handled over all was interesting. Stupidity aside... they made her perversion more complex than just being super sensitive and having a thing for big dicks. While big dicks clearly make it easier to make her cum her brains out, what seems to really be her button is a combination of shame, humiliation and masochism. This is interesting because in at least one of the endings, this nature of hers gets back in the hands of her husband, and that actually lets him please his wife. On top of that, she learns how to use her own body to take pleasure even from his smaller than average dick, and learns how to help him with his stamina problems.
This is very rare in netorare stories. The nympho partner being able to find sexual satisfaction with the guy she was originally cucked from doesn't happen often, as these stories generally don't acknowledge the complexity of pleasure, and generally have the girl simply have a thing for huge dick that can't be overcome.
Another interesting facet, which is also fairly rare in these stories, and possibly more rare when this VN came out originally... is the fact that Misaki never quite falls completely. While she's too stupid to avoid falling into the hole and can't figure out how to do anything except to keep digging, she genuinely seems to love the MC to the end no matter what. Her body and nature betray her and cause her to seek pleasure, but she never reaches the point where she intentionally does stuff like sends a tape of her getting fucked by another man to her husband as a farewell present as she forgets all about him. In fact, they entirely subvert this particular trope by having her go berzerk on the guy that was trying to steal her away for trying to pull such a thing off when she finds out about. Indeed, none of the bad-endings actually involve her staying with the guy that started the mess. Even in the ridiculous divorce endings, there's no mention of her marrying Aida, and in fact, it seems like she runs away from him and hides out with the Owner guy, and doesn't let him touch her either. Quite frankly, the bad endings are miserable for both her and the MC, leaning more into outright tragedy for the pair rather than kink fuel as you usually get for these types of stories.
It's an interesting choice that likely intensifies the emotional gut punch for the people that get attached to the characters, but which is likely unsatisfying for those that want a good wank/schlick and hoped for some kinky complete fall type stuff.
One thing that originally annoyed me but which later had me thinking in general, was the son, Masaki, who's father is either the MC or Aida. The VN, in all of its routes, never actually addresses who's son he actually is, leaving it to the reader's discretion to decide. It seemed odd that they didn't commit to it anywhere, because it certainly would have helped to further the emotional gut punch if he was Aida's son and it was 100% confirmed... Yet the VN never goes there in all its multitude of endings. On top of that, there's an interesting detail afloat. The MC is confirmed to have had some amount of sex with Misaki after that fateful trip, but the amount steadily declined as Aida played his game until it stopped entirely. On the other hand, Aida kept cumming inside her over and over... for years.
And Misaki didn't end up pregnant even though she was filled up repeatedly. In another VN, I might have thought that it was just typical porn logic... but it seems like too big of a thing to miss when the writing was otherwise quite meticulous about the details. It made me wonder if perhaps the writer(s) were intentionally saying that Aida's virility was extremely low, no matter how huge his dick was and how thick his loads were, so he was never able to impregnate Misaki. On top of that, the other guys that are after her don't get to cum inside her until one specific ending, and there's not enough time spent on said ending to know if any of them got her pregnant or not. One other guy was even forced to wear a condom. Indeed, only Aida is confirmed to have fucked Misaki without protection a LOT and intentionally risked impregnating her repeatedly.
Guess we'll never know unless there's some sequel or spin-off somewhere that covers that.
Beyond all that, the H-content is pretty vanilla if you ignore the context in which it happens. Simple positions, doesn't even touch anal aside from one instance of rimming. Only one group sex scene that isn't even shown on screen and which is mostly spit-roasting... The art is gorgeous though, and the majority of the scenes are animated, so that gives it points in that aspect.
However, the biggest crime of this VN, as far as I'm concerned, is that it didn't directly show us the scene where Misaki is bouncing on Kurosawa's dick while sucking the other guy who's name I forget. I don't care that McCuck-kun didn't want to see it. I wanted to see it dammit. -_-"
ANYway. All in all, a pretty good read, in spite of its flaws that made me want to groan and facepalm at times. It's not an outright masterpiece for me, but it was a decent story with decent hot elements to it. That's honestly not something I can say often about netorare focused stories. It could have been better, but that's really a matter of subjective preferences.
- Apr 24, 2018
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Great ! Also wow! you played it Xmas. Funny because there is NTR event on Xmas night hahaha. Even Aida sexually harrassing Misaki with saying " Merry Clitorist" jokes.
- Jul 20, 2018
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Well, I downloaded it and started playing it some time after midnight on Christmas Eve, hilariously enough. It'd have likely taken a lot longer to read through everything if I didn't use the guide though. The choice system for this VN is pretty convoluted in terms of which choices actually matter and it even has a number of choices that don't matter at all...
To some I imagine its weird to spend time on something like this of all things... But eh, I'm an asocial loner, it's not like I'd be out partying or something. Might as well work through my backlog of hentai. XD
I admit I laughed when that choice popped up. I didn't pick it, even though the end result would have likely been amusing, but it was hilarious that it was there.
Great job on the review! Misaki is indeed special in the fact that in none of the endings does she truly stop loving the MC as what happens in most NTRs, the MC could have always gotten back together with Misaki in the bad endings if he merely talked things out with her properly (and not let her run away before they finished). I would like to correct one thing though, Misaki might not necessarily be as stupid as you think she is, at least not naturally stupid. You see, I know people close to me in IRL that are very smart but when it comes to their emotional weakness, such as their children, they can throw all logic and reason out of the window and do some stupid things, such as get scammed, conned, tricked, make terrible mistakes and errors in judgment or lose a shit ton of money, that doesn't make them stupid, it's just a natural reaction that some people have due to the power of their emotions making them forget everything else. While the blackmail originally wasn't very good, Aida managed to manipulate her through her emotions and weaknesses. Once he knew what buttons to push, Aida was able to prevent her from thinking about things properly and using logic to solve her problems, and simply listening to Aida's advice, who she had trusted for years. In Misaki's case, Aida was using Misaki's own love for her husband and fear for the possibility of losing him against her. Aida made Misaki believe that there was no way that the MC would ever forgive her if he found out and it would inevitably lead to divorce for sure (which wasn't true as we know, the MC would've forgiven her). Also, when she did her first sexual act on Aida it was because Aida was threatening to commit suicide, which would've obviously impacted her judgement as she was being rushed to make a decision asap, which could've broken alot of people from the pressure. Aida, after all, made himself seem like such a noble person who only had her best interests at heart, she just couldn't let him die. It doesn't make her naturally stupid, emotional manipulation and abuse is a thing...
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- Jul 20, 2018
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You really need to split things into paragraphs dude. Reading that text in one single wall of text is not comfortable for the eyes....
Leaving that aside...
While I can agree that heightened emotions can lead to poor decisions in the moment, the fact of the matter is that Misaki keeps making very dumb decisions even after she has time to calm down and think. At the end of the day, the starting incident just had that one picture of her from the party where she had her legs spread open. She was also just laying on her husband in said picture, so it wasn't that big of a deal.
Now, I can see her making a bad decision in the moment when Aida initially showed her the picture and mentioned that Kurosawa threatened to use it as blackmail material. But after that, I don't remember exactly how much time passed before the bathroom thing was done... but it was more than just one day. I'm pretty sure she didn't know she was pregnant when the initial approach was done, but she knew when the underwear incident happened. There was AMPLE time for her to stop, think, and choose to tell her husband about it. At that point, she'd done NOTHING wrong. The only little justification she had was that learning about it would have soured relations between her husband and Kurosawa... however it wasn't like that would have caused that much of an issue for their family since she was still a clearly very successful beautician at the time.
Of course, we, the readers, know that IF she had done that and they went to the police and stuff, things would have gotten screwy as Kurosawa would definitely point fingers at Aida and Chinnen, and then everyone would have gone into 'covering their ass' mode. Things would have likely exploded badly between those three, but really, the impact on MC and Misaki would have been minimal even IF one of those three tried to spread the picture around. It's not like it was a pic of her having sex or anything...
Same with the underwear incident. Even if she complied in the moment because her emotions were going haywire, there was ample time for her to then chill out and think things through, rather than doubling down on the stupid.
Basically, things shouldn't have gotten to the point where the blowjob thing happened in the first place. I do agree that once things DID get to that point, Misaki was caught between a rock and a hard place that got increasingly worse. Her extreme inexperience with men meant that she had no idea how her husband would react, and she easily expected the worst. On top of that, while she didn't love Aida romantically, he was still someone that helped her a lot when she was younger and thus someone she genuinely cared for and considered a treasured friend, possibly even family. I can accept that she didn't want things to go horrible with him. Once the rape happened, she'd be horribly torn about what to do, on top of having her mind addled by the pleasure... but I still firmly believe that things simply wouldn't have gotten that far if she wasn't extremely stupid.
Hell, you can easily argue that the initial rape shouldn't have happened either. She didn't need to give in to Kurosawa's demands to drink... but really, I lay the blame there more on the MC, who should have absolutely prioritized his wife's wellbeing over the idiocy of the asshole that wanted him to drink. If he just took Misaki back to their room right away and stayed with her while sober, nothing would have happened. I have no doubt that Aida would have likely kept trying for a number of years after that... but eventually he'd run out of opportunities to try or he'd be forced to give up for a variety of reasons. Well, either that or he'd lose his cool and just ends up raping her at some point, but I'm pretty sure that if he did that, things would have ended very badly for him even more so than they do in most endings.
On a different note, I'm still impressed by the fact that, no matter how you look at it, Aida never actually gets what he really wanted no matter what. He never wins Misaki's love and in all the endings, he likely ends up miserable in some form or another. Misery for everyone. Except Kurosawa. That guy has NO fucks to give lol.