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Oh, ok. I always thought that Hutch give her "free pass" only to things related to Christian and it was clear for both. That's why she said that she will be always returning, as I way to "compensate" this. It's weird, though, why she feels very bad when she goes to the bar then? When I played the update, I thought it was because she was breaking the "agreement".
It could be - I could absolutely be wrong, but I took it that Hutch meant one thing and Vivian thought he meant something (slightly) different. As for feeling bad or guilty when she went to the bar, you can have permission to do something but still feel bad or guilty about doing it. In this instance, if Hutch explicitly told her she can go out and have sex with absolutely anyone while he was away on his business trip, Vivian might still feel guilty going out and having sex with someone. She has permission in this (completely fictional) scenario, but she might not be fully sure if he meant it, if it was a test, if it's something she really wanted to do/was ready for, etc.
 

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Thanks for your responses and link to your prior post which was an interesting read.
you'r welcome... i will put some link of my previous posts for you...
The way how I interpret Vivian's motivations right now is that she has had a wild post, partied and enjoyed single life so to speak, and often went for bad boys and dark triad types, only then to later settle for a stable husband to have a family. Not that it was (or still is) a terrible marriage, far from it, but it lacks genuine desire on her part. Sex is transactional and a reward given to Hutch, and Vivian is shocked when Hutch is so hurt that he refuses a 'treat' at the end of Chapter 1. A moment that shocked Vivan to the core, her primary agency became worthless overnight, a beloved dog denying an A5 Wagyu steak offered by its master.
As I wrote, I don't like to imagine things that aren't in the story in the two chapters that have been published.
Yours is an interpretation that I don't make.
I believe that their marriage, which has lasted 22 years and produced a son who is now going to college,
Seems to me has been a perfect marriage,
and only six years ago Hutch found a job in Christian's company.
Just SIX years... so
The story wouldn't make any sense if Vivian got those tattoos after marrying Hutch. They have a son who attends college, so she must have gotten pregnant right after the wedding... frankly, I don't want to think that Hutch married her when she was already pregnant by someone else.

I disagree with your interpretation.
Rather, I think something terrible happened to Vivian, maybe she was addicted to heroin, and Hutch bailed her out by getting her detoxified (however, this is just a hypothesis, and I don't even like it, even though I wrote it)... She fell in love with him. She closed the door on her past, and it was probably Hutch himself who told her that he did not want to know anything about her past, but that he wanted to marry her and have a child with her to build a family.
Having a child is something that changes the life of a sensitive woman like Vivian. so she chose to hide even from herself her past for the sake of the family

If you are interested in my post about the restaurant evening with Viv and Chris
https://f95zone.to/threads/my-husbands-boss-ch-2-sc-stories.241893/post-17893524
this is the link
The conversation with Rebecca in the bar underlines this dynamic. I don't remember her exact words, but paraphrasing Rebecca it was something like it being a woman's curse to be attracted to dominant guys who are not good for longterm relationships. Rebecca's words and Vivian's actions reminded me of the Dual Mating Hypothesis: One set of guys for short term benefits, sexual gratification, good genes for better chances of the offspring in prehistoric terms, versus a stable long-term provider who treats her right. Vivan has chosen (wisely) Hutch as a husband for raising a family and was happy for a long time and still clings to the stability of that marriage, but she settled. She was never crazy with desire for Hutch at any point. Making him wait, being able to leverage her sexuality, hiding her prior experiences, doing much less with him than with prior lovers, etc.
Yes but the discussion with Rebecca is not an important discussion in the story logic
The important fact is that Vivian being alone because her husband would be away on business for another day
She had already woken up after a nightmare and does not find him next to her... so

The important thing is Vivian taking off the wedding ring as if the lack of her husband next to her had awakened old habits that she are used to in the time when she studied in France
(I think you not have read well the post i linked)

The discussion is just a stupid barroom discussion with an estranged girl... Vivian was looking for men that night, if she hadn't found Rebecca she would have gotten fucked by anyone even a group of black students
And it is really impossible that a 45 year old mother who has weaned a child doesn't know that an enema is for cleaning the rectum and the asshole... and frankly I don't even believe that a 45 year old woman has never had anal sex!

She was out of her mind that night!

Christian succeeded in re-awakening her old desires for a more 'alpha guy'. Vivian cannot stop herself even while she is regretting the damage she knows is causing to her marriage. She may be reluctant, but never enough to not indulge into her long dormant passions.
Mmmm No. Christian only awakened what she had repressed for the sake of the family.
Vivian has rediscovered her addiction to rough sex that she had when she was younger... Vivian HATES CHRISTIAN precisely because she knows she cannot resist the appeal of life as a naughty American girl she was as student in France.
She says this at the restaurant to Chris https://f95zone.to/threads/my-husbands-boss-ch-2-sc-stories.241893/post-17893524
This seems more plausible to me
Rebecca's solution to this problem is different: She is going full swingers, but in the end, Rebecca is solving for the same problem of having needs than one (type of) man cannot address all by himself. She is more open and upfront about it, and her warning to Vivian in the next morning is foreshadowing (again paraphrasing 'Brian and I took a year between talking and the first threesome, you jumped into the deep right away', with the intended meaning that Vivian could lose her husband).
This is only a side story for me!
and as SC stories says he is cutting side stories to focus on the meat of the story.

IMO Rebecca is not inside the meat of this story
Maybe I'm wrong?. we will see!
I predict 4 will be a little smaller and 5 will be the shortest concentrating on just the finale. I originally had numerous gratuitous scenes that I'm cutting out so I can focus on the meat of the story. I think it makes the main story better and I think it's what the real fans want. Plus it simply cuts down on production time. I'm not trimming anything that drives the story, just the extra fluff.
Coming back to my favorite side character Addison, she seems different from Vivian and Rebecca, not afflicted by the same 'curse' as Rebecca put it. Clearly Addison is interested in Hutch and she does not seem bothered by him being more of a stable, less aggressive kind of man. I can only speculate why, maybe she is so repulsed by the cocky men at work that push for asking her out in such a way that Hutch is refreshingly different, maybe she resents her uncle's lifestyle, whatever it is, it seems she could be content with Hutch as he is. This makes her a serious threat to Vivian, as reflected in Vivian's nightmare and her questioning Hutch's potential interest into Addison to ascertain the level of danger she might be in.
Addison is not a secondary character Christian is her uncle a she seems to be somehow interested in Hutch
As always, I don't like to make predictions about the story, and in my opinion Vivian has nothing to fear from Addison because Hutch has been her husband for 22 years...
may have been initially overwhelmed by the raw intensity of how brutal and crushing the story was in Chapter 1 when we focused on Hutch's point of view, but I must say that this level of quality in writing, with plausible motivations, is really enjoyable. Chapter 3 will likely be harder to stomach again going back to Hutch, but I hope that Addison can sweeten the reader experience again. I will definitively stay tuned.
Thanks but... please do not forget to read me posts
and... what is written in the game Screenshot 2025-08-24 at 19.34.33.jpg
I don't want you to be let down but this is not a vanilla story and so your hoping to find more sweetness in the future...
There is no sweetness in having sex... yet there will be a lot of cuddling during the dialogues
Anyway we will see
 
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You can't claim to love someone and openly and so publicly cheat on them at the same time and you can't psychologically justify it, no matter how you ( anyone tries).
It doesn't matter what we can justify. The problem is that Wife cannot justify it to herself. And yet she does it. Internal conflict.
 

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There is no sweetness in having sex...
I assume you mean in the game. Still the way you say this might be revealing for you. But in the game, I think Wife did find some sweetness in the cuddle time after sex in the final scene of part 2. It is all over her face.

But, my friend, if there is no sweetness in sex for you, I can only say you are doing it wrong.
 

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I think maybe we may be seeing a shift in Vivian... She said she liked rough sex but this time she wanted it passionate. I think this is what Hutch gave / gives her. She misses it and him ( sexually) possible. She has said a a couple occasions he won't touch her. I think that is because she WANTS him too. Misses him in that way. Yes she liked the other way with Christian but possible Hutch is winning out now... We will see ! just my thought...
 
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I think maybe we may be seeing a shift in Vivian... She said she liked rough sex but this time she wanted it passionate. I think this is what Hutch gave / gives her. She misses it and him ( sexually) possible. She has said a a couple occasions he won't touch her. I think that is because she WANTS him too. Misses him in that way. Yes she liked the other way with Christian but possible Hutch is winning out now... We will see ! just my thought...
Its f&%k all to do with missing Hutch, toxic Vivian has fallen for toxic Christain (her ideal bad-boy fantasy), they both feed off each other like two prarsaites, one slowly devouring the other. Christian gets to be domininate with her, she gets her cocian drama to feed her ego that makes her feel seen and alive (as she is clearly psychotic). Vivian wants their sex sessions to more romantic, loving and sensual, she thinks that she is in a relationship with christian and that "She Can Change Him"
 

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Its f&%k all to do with missing Hutch, toxic Vivian has fallen for toxic Christain (her ideal bad-boy fantasy), they both feed off each other like two prarsaites, one slowly devouring the other. Christian gets to be domininate with her, she gets her cocian drama to feed her ego that makes her feel seen and alive (as she is clearly psychotic). Vivian wants their sex sessions to more romantic, loving and sensual, she thinks that she is in a relationship with christian and that "She Can Change Him"
Does it hurt to not be able to see anything better than that?
 

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I think maybe we may be seeing a shift in Vivian... She said she liked rough sex but this time she wanted it passionate. I think this is what Hutch gave / gives her. She misses it and him ( sexually) possible. She has said a a couple occasions he won't touch her. I think that is because she WANTS him too. Misses him in that way. Yes she liked the other way with Christian but possible Hutch is winning out now... We will see ! just my thought...
Yes, I think she does want that from him. Bad news if she starts getting it from Boss.
 

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Yes, I think she does want that from him. Bad news if she starts getting it from Boss.
True..true.. But I do not think so... even after the last session where Christian did have a more tender sex with her.... He did fall back to his dominate self. I think she has changed. She can now take more control of those situation . she even told Christian she was empowered / powerful. You could see it in his face that took him aback. It is my belief she will choose... and it will be for love and that is Hutch... But more crap will happen to be sure !
 

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Romantic illusions are actually the most shameless hardcore fetish one could imagine. Especially if they feel totally out of place.
 

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Or given up Husband. She will have to meet an immovable object to be forced to do one or the other.
Addison. Addison is everything she is not. Take her like for Hutch out of the equation. She is young, bold, smart and desired. A reminder of what Vivian use to be. Now add Hutch, young woman attracted to him automatic threat. It is an added assault to her ego remember the bar young guy laughing at her seduction. Most would say look at Marcel and the young guys attraction to her. That is not the same that is young guy hormones they'd fuck a hole in the wall if you put lipstick on it its not the same.
 

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True..true.. But I do not think so... even after the last session where Christian did have a more tender sex with her.... He did fall back to his dominate self. I think she has changed. She can now take more control of those situation . she even told Christian she was empowered / powerful. You could see it in his face that took him aback. It is my belief she will choose... and it will be for love and that is Hutch... But more crap will happen to be sure !
Wait hold on, you think that by the finishing point of the story, that she's going to choose Hutch??...o_O

I mean it could happen I guess...But I really don't see how this one ends with them still together in a happy relationship. That ship has SURELY sailed to the other side of the world by now. Long gone...:ROFLMAO:
 

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Romantic illusions are actually the most shameless hardcore fetish one could imagine. Especially if they feel totally out of place.
Because your delusion is that they are delusions. Romance can be real. Love can be real. The sweetness of it can be real. Unfortunately, it is too often as you say. Look to your own loves.
 

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Wait hold on, you think that by the finishing point of the story, that she's going to choose Hutch??...o_O

I mean it could happen I guess...But I really don't see how this one ends with them still together in a happy relationship. That ship has SURELY sailed to the other side of the world by now. Long gone...:ROFLMAO:
At this point... Anything can happen. DEv had not disappointed thus far and I can say ALL of our guesses have been wrong ! LOL makes it fun !
 

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At this point... Anything can happen. DEv had not disappointed thus far and I can say ALL of our guesses have been wrong ! LOL makes it fun !
At that point, I'm not sure he will have her. Take my advice, Wife, and decide sooner.

Even then, I don't suppose he will be hers for the asking. I'd be saying, Wife, you have fucked up big time. What do you expect? I'll tell you what you are going to do. You can wear the ring and be my wife, but you damned well will...

Husband is a useless wuss? You missed a clue. Husband was ready to come out of that bathroom stall and attack Boss when he thought she was resisting, but then he realized she was giving in. Damn right he can tell her what's what. And she can sleep on the couch for a year if she ever wants to join him in bed again.

I might give her reminder of a "who loves you, babe" fuck on the couch ever few months if she begs and pleads enough. Because that is what she forgot

Who loves you, me
Who wants to fuck you, me
Who cherishes every moment he has with you, me

And don't you damn well forget it.
 
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At that point, I'm not sure he will have her. Take my advice, Wife, and decide sooner.

Even then, I don't suppose he will be hers for the asking. I'd be saying, Wife, you have fucked up big time. What do you expect? I'll tell you what you are going to do. You can wear the ring and be my wife, but you damned well will...

Husband is a useless wuss? You missed a clue. Husband was ready to come out of that bathroom stall and attack Boss when he thought she was resisting, but then he realized she was giving in. Damn right he can tell her what's what. And she can sleep on the couch for a year if she ever wants to join him in bed again.

I might give her reminder of a "who loves you, babe" fuck on the couch ever few months if she begs and pleads enough. Because that is what she forgot

Who loves you, me
Who wants to fuck you, me
Who cherishes every moment he has with you, me

And don't you damn well forget it.
Vivian is a hoe and she is on first cum first serve basis now.. i got my ticket ready too .
 

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Vivian is a hoe and she is on first cum first serve basis now.. i got my ticket ready too .
SC left us a pic that says you might be right. She is looking anxiously into a car window with huge cleavage blazing. She is a street prostitute, maybe? Of course, we would be foolish to speculate. Street prostitutes usually aren't anxious about anything, are they? They do that all day long, and if anything they are wishing 5:00pm would hurry up and get here so they can go home, same as the rest of us.
 

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But, my friend, if there is no sweetness in sex for you, I can only say you are doing it wrong.
Since I have to answer to a child who still believes in Santa Claus, I will try to make you understand my sentence that you quoted with something that all the kids have seen.
yes, I must confirm!!! There is no sweetness in sex in nature.

But there is a lot of sweetness in lovemaking and in the preliminary stages that precede the sexual act.

Think of two sweet kittens...they start sniffing each other, kissing each other licking each other's snouts. then they move on to licking each other's butts and genitals...the female gets aroused and seems to spread her hind legs wide wanting...but as soon as the male makes his move...the female starts growling and screaming threateningly.
The female runs away even though she walks with her hind legs a little open...the male cat chases after them and to have sex with his female bites her throat immobilizing her and begins to fuck her while she lets out moans.

Sex even between humans is an animalistic need...without having sex you can have serious mental disorders (like believing in Santa Claus) ;)

Love is sweetness, like Vivian's love for her husband and for a sex that resembles cuddling each other more than an actual sexual act. (no true orgasm for any famale)
Vivian is a very sweet woman but she is also a mother.
Let's go back to the kittens for a moment and what happens after the cat gets pregnant...her belly swells...and after about 3 months the female cat has to give birth.... You who believe in Santa Claus must believe that giving birth is an act of sweetness right?
I guarantee you that a birth is not at all ascribable to sweetness....
Giving birth is a violent act for all living species.... Vivian's vagina has to make a baby come out of her cunt hole...which dilates but also there are very painful tears and hemorrhoids even in the asshole (that's why it is impossible that Vivian never had an enema).
Only after that comes the mother's love and sweetness toward the new born and Vivian has no cesarean section scars in her abdomen...so Sawyer came right out of her vagina hole

If you treat women too softly down there, you won't make them reach true orgasm and they might consider you a beta man or maybe even gamma (there are men who can't even be beta)
and if they meet someone else who makes them reach true orgasm instead... they will leave you alone with your "sweetness"

However, believing in Santa Claus is a good thing...I envy those who can still do it..

Sorry my posts are for 18+ users and if you are in this forum I assume you should have this age...

Thanks to be so interested on my posts
 

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Romantic illusions are actually the most shameless hardcore fetish one could imagine. Especially if they feel totally out of place.
Love is always romantic, but between a man and a woman there must also be sex.
Romantic sexual intercourse doesn't exist... those are cuddles, and with cuddles you'll never be able to bring a woman to true orgasm... and if one day she finds out that with another man, you'll become the loser cuckold.

Sex and love are different things... if you think that sex act is romantic you will never know what it means to be with a wife and build your family

BUT MUTUAL RESPECT IS ESSENTIAL FOR A PERFECT MARRIAGE LIFE
If one of the two does not respect the role of the other member of the couple, the family will be destroyed and no one will come out victorious
 
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