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Agreed, she is discovering things about herself and men too probably. I don't think she really wants to manipulate men. She wants to love and be loved as she continues to attempt to return to with husband.
I don't understand what you're asking, the engine gives unique possibilities - somewhere between a book and a movie.
I would say that the engine is rather created for the KN and not for the game.
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As I mentioned before - the story has many layers, like an onion 
. Simple minds will only pick up what's on top, more life-savvy readers-gamers will find other issues (besides sex scenes) that will interest them. The relativity of the whole issue, the importance of events, the translation into consequences, their own responsibility and role (depending on who they could identify with) - and everyone will be right. Duke with his whores, and someone who will lean in and look for the motivation of the characters, the genesis of the events. A truism - but life writes scripts that screenwriters never dreamed of
. Simple minds will only pick up what's on top, more life-savvy readers-gamers will find other issues (besides sex scenes) that will interest them. The relativity of the whole issue, the importance of events, the translation into consequences, their own responsibility and role (depending on who they could identify with) - and everyone will be right. Duke with his whores, and someone who will lean in and look for the motivation of the characters, the genesis of the events. A truism - but life writes scripts that screenwriters never dreamed of A story is always bigger than each of its characters. It has to be maximally ruthless against those characters, it has to crucify them if necessary for the higher good of the quality of the narrative. The best author has no sympathies for his/her characters which could interfere with this principle, has no favorites, must not fall in love or hate with his/her own creations - he then loses the power to do what he has to do with them for the sake of quality. His only loyalty has to lie with the story and what it demands to be done. If the story compromises and does things to make a certain character more happy or look better or rmore likeable for the audience, it hurts its own integrity.
And our attitude as audience should ideally reflect that, that differentiates us from "fandom".
(Just saying this in general of course, nothing to do with any position here, not meaning anybody here)
And our attitude as audience should ideally reflect that, that differentiates us from "fandom".
(Just saying this in general of course, nothing to do with any position here, not meaning anybody here)
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Of course - I love Vi, but without blinking an eye I will accept the “death sentence on her” if the story requires it.
Yes, I know, and I didn't mean you or Tony or anybody, just a general observation, it's a trap everybody can fall into anytime.
is a sickness of serials, and stories designed to extract money from codependents (sometimes called suckers)
I see that the initial excitement after the release of the 2nd part has subsided, and the logical dissection of the story can be addressed There are a few questions and doubts to ask in anticipation of the 3rd part.
There are a few questions and doubts to ask in anticipation of the 3rd part.
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“Logical dissection?” Since when is logic applied to most entertainment? One can poke logic holes in almost any movie, TV show or book for that matter. Star Wars has so many logic fails, even for sci-fi, it’s ridiculous. How about every horror movie? ”Oh, let’s split up in this dark scary house after we just saw a hacked body. Ok!” Almost any source of entertainment on screen requires a suspension of belief. Does it elicit strong emotions? Is it within the realm of plausibility? Not one’s personal belief system or how if you were X you’d react…could it happen? Regardless, guess it comes down to whether a consumer wants to go along for the ride or not. I mean seriously, how does Leia kiss Luke on the mouth and then later claim she “always knew” she might be his sister. WTF man!I see that the initial excitement after the release of the 2nd part has subsided, and the logical dissection of the story can be addressed
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Even though I had read recommendations of it, this VN didn't catch my attention at first. The main character didn't look pretty to me, and I thought she was too thin. However, since there were no new updates for some of my favorite games, I decided to give this one a chance. Wow! Now, I'm looking forward to more, and it has become one of my favorites. Vivian is beautiful. She has a great body. I really liked her breasts. They are very well done, and have a sexy fall. I loved seeing her in the dress she wore to the bar.
The story leaves you thinking and with several questions. Apparently, several fronts have been opened: with the mechanic, with Vivian's son's friends, with Marcel, etc. Hopefully, we'll see more of them in the future.
This is definitely cinema.
The story leaves you thinking and with several questions. Apparently, several fronts have been opened: with the mechanic, with Vivian's son's friends, with Marcel, etc. Hopefully, we'll see more of them in the future.
This is definitely cinema.
logical analysis of illogical human behavior“Logical dissection?” Since when is logic applied to most entertainment? One can poke logic holes in almost any movie, TV show or book for that matter. Star Wars has so many logic fails, even for sci-fi, it’s ridiculous. How about every horror movie? ”Oh, let’s split up in this dark scary house after we just saw a hacked body. Ok!” Almost any source of entertainment on screen requires a suspension of belief. Does it elicit strong emotions? Is it within the realm of plausibility? Not one’s personal belief system or how if you were X you’d react…could it happen? Regardless, guess it comes down to whether a consumer wants to go along for the ride or not. I mean seriously, how does Leia kiss Luke on the mouth and then later claim she “always knew” she might be his sister. WTF man!
that's better ?or - e.g., why do some characters show up in the background all the time - is it a technological problem (a short bench of background characters) or does it make a difference after all, or just a fun easter egg? Or is Chris putting Vi on display ? Or - not really my observation. The Uber who (un)picks up Vi from under the field (Sunshine&Rain) looks like the same Uber who picks her up on purple night (coincidence? similarly - short bench of models?) - logically, this Uber should go on “Vi's blacklist”. We have 3 parts ahead of us - and theoretically open threads seem to be slightly at 5. Dev is playing with us
throwing the bait ?+So far, it looks like that even though SC said that the image that he uploads for us to see - will not appear in the game, it did appear. Does this mean that others will also appear - even the “non-canonical” ones ? Sex on the hood of a car, S-dress
Why Vi couldn't stand it and went to that bar - for a known purpose ? Was she checking herself ? She was looking for confirmation of her own attractiveness ?
answer - because she is a whore, she does not satisfy me. and certainly not at the hands of serial fappers
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I have a different take on Vivian than either of these positions.
I look at her like she is a terrible wife who lied to and betrayed her husband. I don't think she was terrible prior to Christian, but she was not a great wife either in light of how disrespectful she was to her husband. I also look at her as a woman who is being abused and degraded by her lover. I think she is both a victimizer, in her many betrayals of Hutch, but also a victim, being abused, humiliated, and degraded by Christian. I don't see any evidence that she was a slut before she met Hutch, or that she cheated on Hutch prior to Christian. These are possibilities, but I don't see enough evidence to support this yet. I think the author has made it clear that Vivian always had the POTENTIAL to be a slut or cheat on Hutch. Her numerous flaws, including her insecurities, overestimation of her abilities, and unhealthy need for validation (particularly from males) created the potential. The situation with Christian just brought these things out. As I wrote in an earlier post, Christian is also using her guilt over cheating on Hutch to get her to subject herself to humiliation and degradation. Her lies and betrayals make me angry at her, but her allowing herself to be abused and convincing herself that Christian's degrading her is a good thing makes me pity her. Vivian's relationship with Christian is like an abused wife with her abusive husband. They sometimes tell themselves that they deserve the abuse, or they brought the abuse on themselves. That is what Christian is telling Vivan about the situation with Mr. Reeves, and even the sitation where he threw her out of the car naked. I think Vivian decent could be the darker ending the author was referring to. Also, abused people, because they are constantly streesed out out, can flip out on anyone. This is where the outbursts from Vivian towards Hutch and Christian came from. This is why I think it is possible that Vivian might take Christian out (possible, not certain). A real life example is the true story that the TV movie, "The Burning Bed" was based on.
I think you got it wrong there. It is her that is manipulated. Christian nor the investors give a shit about her, they just want their pleasure .I'm not even sure if Hutch gives about her anymore. But it is true that we'll have to wait for further updates.
Wow so Vivian is Francine.Francine a wife that was abused for years by her husband versus a slut that was happily married with a nice family.Now she is the victim?She allowed to be the victim.Why did she went to the dinner?Why did she wear Christian gift dress?And are a lot of examples.
Don`t try to find excuses.Everything bad is on her.We will see in the next chapters if theres something there to change our minds.
These three are also my main points, the two first showing themselves already mainly in ch 1 the latter in ch 2. Interestingly this is a view which emphatically (speaking for myself at least) doesn't put sexual problems and urges at the center of her personality - whereas both competing narratives which dominate the thread at the moment are both defining Vivian by her sexuality, i.e. her sexual morals and her alleged sexual deficits: The slut/whore narrative (I'm not against calling her a whore at this point technically, but that's not important) claims there is a deeply rooted unsupressable character trait of that kind which breaks through no matter what. The unsatisfied housewife finally takes what she needs-narrative also lets her sexual history write her narrative and determine the fate of her relationship, just gives it a positiv spin: what is allegedly inevitable with the whore is deemed necessary for her journey here.
I hadn't thought before about what you say about the guilt-humiliation connection, very valid - that deserves certainly some follow ups.
You described 90% of the 40+ years old modern woman.
After these 2 chapters i can say SC was right Vivian is not an interesting character.
Everything she do is for herself,what she want and what she needs.The rest fuckem.
I don't think this kind of ending will be necessary for her. She is learning to tell him what he wants to hear. In fact you could say that the whole final scene of act 2 is about her doing that, and in the end some things were said that point that way. The irony is that boss probably thought he was the one doing the jive up until those last few moments.
Advance pics on patreon suggest that husband and wife will find a way to reconcile. They could very well, for instance, take all that huge money they are getting and get out of dodge.
DPK wrote the example of this format that made his reputation for him. Acting Lessons. Give people all the degradation and corruption and filth they can stand, and then since there is no way to tack a decent ending on that, simply have a big house fire and burn it all down. A happy couple ending for this game probably won't do that for sc. But if you are actually thinking of making a point with all this sc, go for it.
What are you talking about? It is clear when I refer to her as an abused wife I am referring to her relationship with Christian not Hutch. I know Christian isn't her husband, but I use the battered wife example because it is one people can relate to. Also, those of us who are psychologically adults, and have some life experience, know, that a person can be a victim and victimizer at the same time. We also know that just because a person chose to enter into an abusive relationship, Vivian with Christian, that doesn't mean they are not still a victim. It is clear from my numerous posts that I blame Vivian for her lies and betrayals. That does not negate the fact that Christian abuses her. If she did not cheat on Hutch would she be being abused? Of course not. She put herself into the situation by cheating on Hutch, but at the same time she has allowed herself to be humiliated and degraded. Not all cheating wives allow themselves to be degraded and humiliated by the lovers. Vivian has done this. By the way, the adults in the forum will understand what I wrote, even if some of them don't agree with it.
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I think in the final scene with Vivian and Christian she realizes the he is physocotic. The manner that he man handled her , caled her his property , that he owns her. I think she realized she has to get out from under him. That also is a reason to say... I have to go home to Hutch. I think she will do that and regroup on what to do with him... and maybe how. ( just my thought... maybe wrong )