I'd say that sc did not put officegirl there with her big crush for no reason. One way or the other, I bet she makes use of it.
But since it the situation is no big surprise, perhaps sc will change her mind. Big surprises is the rule.
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But since it the situation is no big surprise, perhaps sc will change her mind. Big surprises is the rule.
I'd say husband realizes that there is no reason to do anything as long as wife is a willing participant as she must certainly seem to be after that dinner at boss' house. Yes, she is protesting and not acting very willing except when they are actually doing it
but all he sees is them doing it and hears her cries of pleasure. Yes, he is experiencing grief and confusion right now, as is normal. The crunch comes when he gets ready to leave her and do something about the situation. The smart thing would be to leave town, and get a new start somewhere else. He might not be that smart.
Unless she were to come to him and confess what she has been doing and ask for forgiveness. That would be a different story depending on whether he can forgive her. But she does not do that so far.
It isn't about what strutting males can accomplish by confronting each other. It is about what wife finds in her heart. If she finds willingness to participate in sex with boss, there is no strut that will change that. I'm sure that if she were calling to husband for help from the bedroom, he would be right in there. The same as he started to do when he was in the woman's bathroom and she came in and boss came in and started on her. At first she was resisting and he was getting ready to come to her aid, but then he saw her giving in. No sense in interfering. Husband is not the wuss that so many take him to be.
I'm hearing wife to say to boss, "I'm with you. I won't keep pretending I'm not." Yes that does say her unwillingness has been a pretense, since from the start probably. But she still hates herself anyway. Humans are complex creatures.
Including those strutting males who think they can change what a woman finds in her heart by acting tough.
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For your viewing pleasure:
The fake orgasm scene from from "When Harry Met Sally".
At my advanced age, I admit I have never witnessed a woman orgasm like that. Sometimes it is hard to tell. But
if they fail to reach orgasm, they will let you know and ask, could you wait a little longer or whatever they need. It is not
that you don't give them satisfaction, but you know, wait a little longer. In practice, I have found the best
idea is to let them tell you when they are ready and you can climax together. That always feels nice.
The fake orgasm scene from from "When Harry Met Sally".
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At my advanced age, I admit I have never witnessed a woman orgasm like that. Sometimes it is hard to tell. But
if they fail to reach orgasm, they will let you know and ask, could you wait a little longer or whatever they need. It is not
that you don't give them satisfaction, but you know, wait a little longer. In practice, I have found the best
idea is to let them tell you when they are ready and you can climax together. That always feels nice.
I think there is something missing about Vivian from recent posts. I am not directing this at you, but your comment about her son's roommates gives me an opportunity to address Vivian's motives. She is motivated by a lot more than just sex.
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I don't think this is unusual. Many women will ask questions like, "Does this make my ass look big?" Or other
requests for approval from somerbody whose opinion matters to them. A smart man knows to answer, "no, dear, your ass is just right in that dress," exactly like boss does.
Yes she is. But I think your insight is on the shallow side. What she really needs it to know if the sex she has with boss is about him or her generic response to men in general.
Right, but this is no reflection on wife. She has a lot to learn.
So what. She has feelings.
A normal response to rejection, coupled with all the other things she is troubled about.
I took this as part of wife dealing with her guilt. It was almost like she was giving him permission. It is also
true that she would be devastated if he did. She is a troubled person right now.
Same deal, the is the guy telling his love interest that, no the dress does not make her ass look big, as is his duty.
The question was not while, but after the ordeal was over.
Actually she looks angry.
She has already stormed into his house spouting anger at being sent there, this is more anger. But I think what she
says deserves attention. Why would anyone say those things if they felt degraded? She feels anger, but something else.
She feels relieved that that guy did not make her feel like boss does. That was an essential lesson she was seeking to
learn. Which is why, when boss asks her what she wants from him, she replies, "I want you to be loving and gentle with
me." This is something he has not been and is the other part of the puzzle she is trying to solve. She needs to feel that
he loves her. Whether he does or not.
Wife comes to believe it whether you the player do or not. As her comment as she leaves at the end of chapter 2 shows.
His assumption is that she truly wanted him and he needed to lie to her to help her accept that. This guy is not a good bet for a long term lover, but wife is going to make that bet anyway, based on what her heart tells her.
I think your assessment is unsympathetic. Wife deserves better than that. She is having trouble coming to terms with herself, husband and boss. We should wish her well in that journey. She still has a lot to learn. And dark times are probably ahead.
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Your responses don't address any of the issues I brought up. There is a big difference between a woman asking you if her butt looks big in a particular outfit and her allowing herself to be manipulated because she is insecure about her attractiveness. Men, Christian in particular but it is clear others will follow, can use Vivian's insecurity about her looks to manipulate her into having sex them. And no, my analysis of why Vivian is at the bar is not shallow, yours is. What Vivian says is her motivation is not really her primary motivation. She is insecure about her looks because she is getting older. This is evidenced by both her words and actions. She is afraid Hutch might be attracted to Addison because Addison is younger and more attractive. Saying, "So what, she has feelings" does not address the issue I am raising. The issue is she is insecure about her attractiveness because she is getting older. If the main reason why she was in the bar was to see if someone else did it for her like Christian, then it would not have been as upset as she was that the guy did not want her. She thought he was attractive, which is why she smiled at him, but he did not think she was attractive, which made her sad. Christian was able to manipulate her in the car by telling her how she was more attractive than a 20 year old and playing on her insecurities about being 45. He used her insecurity to get his hooks deeper into her. That is different than saying, "You butt doesn't look fat in that dress." You equate normal reassurances, like saying, "That dress does not make you look fat" with manipulating a person's insecurities to dig their hooks into them. Where Vivian is being assaulted, she has tears in her eyes because she is crying. You can be crying when you are angry. If a woman is being assaulted it makes since that she would feel angry, and that she would be crying, but being assaulted would not make her feel powerful. Vivian does not look like she feels powerful in any of the scenes where she is being humiliated and abused. You wrote responses to my comments, but you did not address any of the points I brought up.
As far as being unsympathetic, it is unsympathetic to call the abuse and manipulation of a woman empowering. Vivian was not being empowered, she was being degraded and humiliated. I don't give her a pass for her lies, betrayals, or hypocrisy, but I oppose and call out her being abused, humiliated, and degraded by Christian.
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All very true. The problem is that a lot of this goes under the viewer's radar because he sees a 40something with the body of a 20something. Of course we like to see that and, yes, we are happy for her (although, in contrast to others I don't feel under any obligation to be more sympathetic to Vivian than to any other character), but this of course takes away the context and the reality behind her motives and her inner state you rightly point out. This is a difficult structural problem of the VN: the dev is bold and innovative by having this age structure as an integral element to his story, on the other hand it's still a porn game and he wants to deliver eye candy. Consequence is, the viewer doesn't intuitively feel and see the reason for her insecurity and therefore for her behaviour. I asked months ago if some aspects of the storyline were even plausible and possible, if the visuals were differeent.
Very important point. That line of defense is in reality harming women, not supporting and helping them. It ignores their reality for the sake of a naive ideal which at the end is anotherone of male fantasies, just a more dishonest one.
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1. She is 45, it is mentioned in chapter 2.
2. Until further notice, it is test image.
3. Expected in chapter 3.
Nobody said that. Wife said she felt that way after, as she was shouting anger.
Yet, the degradation you place goes to her, the blame you place goes to her, while you say you opponse boss's behavior. This is probably the first time I have heard a word against boss in the many diatribes against wife that I have read here.
You guys are really vicious.
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Totally agree. I was also thinking about posting similar point. The one point in ch2 establishes more is how much a liar Vivian is. Throughout the whole chapter Vivian established that her words means SHIT. She tells one thing and do things totally in 180.
Sorry to say this but your post's are confusing, at-least to me. It seem you're rooting for Christian-Vivian love story, that's not a problem in itself but what confuses me is your logic behind their support.
I'm no Hutch-lover or Vivian-Hater. I do have some sympathy for Hutch and contempt for Vivian till this point of story but that's it as a bystander/viewer. It may change in the future.
Many Corruption, NTR specially NTS/CUCK/HOTWIFE stories uses the logic of 10-20 year of faithful marriage with hidden/suppressed sexual/emotional wife who now in the story has found a way to fulfill those urges outside marriage. The bad NTS/Hotwife stories tries to shove them saying it's their right after 20 years of faithfulness and love and she is entitled to it. I always thought reading those stories/games "HEY I've been a model citizen for some time so can I get away now with robbing a BANK"
In my earlier posts, I wrote about what a scumbag I thought Christian was. I also wrote that I found all 3 characters unlikable for different reasons, but I made it clear that I hated Christian. Even as I am writing about Vivian, one of my main points is about how Christian is abusing her. That is why I wrote in a previous post, and a very recent one, that Vivian makes me angry for her lies, hypocrisy, and betrayals, by I pity her for how she is allowing herself to be abused. Christian abuses her because of how terrible a person he is. That is what makes her relationship and obsession with Christian so tragic. I wrote in earlier posts that Christian wants to humiliate both Hutch and Vivian because in the first chapter some people missed how Christian was humiliating Vivian. They saw how hurt Hutch was by what he saw Christian and Vivian doing, and how insulting Christian was when he talked about Hutch, but failed to see how poorly Christian was treating Vivian. I also wrote how angry I was at Hutch for being so passive, and being unwilling to confront Vivian about what happened. Of the 3, Hutch is the only 1 who did not actively harm anyone. Vivian repeatedly harmed Hutch by cheating on him, and lying to him. She is also a hypocrite for rationalizing her infidelity while at the same time saying she would be against Hutch being with someone. Christian is victimizing both Hutch and Vivian. Vivian is being victimized by Christian, but she is also victimizing Hutch. Hutch isn't victimizing anyone, but he is flawed in how he has handled the situation with Cristian and Vivian.
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And the Oscar of the most stupid guy in the universe goes to this guy !
Come on, man, a woman like Vivian, no matter she is 20 or 50, seductively smiles at you and you laugh ??
Scumbag loser !!
And the Oscar of the most stupid guy in the universe goes to this guy !
Come on, man, a woman like Vivian, no matter she is 20 or 50, seductively smiles at you and you laugh ??
Scumbag loser !!
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he was probably a fag. only a fag would turn down a hot piece of ass like Vivianhttps://attachments.f95zone.to/2025/06/4972766_1749944531863.png
And the Oscar of the most stupid guy in the universe goes to this guy !
Come on, man, a woman like Vivian, no matter she has 20 or 50, seductively smiles at you and you laugh ??
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Did you ever ask yourself why? Stupid question, I know. People like you are not capable of self-reflection.
Christian is really well written. The perfect antagonist. Hitchcock said no great story without a great villain. And we have a great villain here ! He even manages to make Vivian her own antagonist, and an antagonist for Hutch. Brilliantly written !