Puckhog27

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It depends on what you're looking for and how you look at it. Theoretically sex is just sex. If you make a big deal out of it it will be a big deal. It not then it won't. Marriage and family is just an idea or concept. It's there to keep people out of trouble, but can also foster jealously from others depending on their perspectives. I feel like half the issue with many women and their need for control and autonomy stems from a false ego which stats they need to have this. Just like in the concept of a family and monogamy sleeping with someone else is a larger issue than it is. It's actually just a very small about of time where two people are playing with each others bodies. Sure it can have connection, but nothing in life is permanent. Everything changes and no one is tied to one more so than anyone else. The idea of romance and sex is very nice, but it's only a small part of the family relationship.

I'd have liked to have seen sex with other men in this game. It's kind of bland she only cheats with one guy so far.
 
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It depends on what you're looking for and how you look at it. Theoretically sex is just sex. If you make a big deal out of it it will be a big deal. It not then it won't. Marriage and family is just an idea or concept. It's there to keep people out of trouble, but can also foster jealously from others depending on their perspectives. I feel like half the issue with many women and their need for control and autonomy stems from a false ego which stats they need to have this. Just like in the concept of a family and monogamy sleeping with someone else is a larger issue than it is. It's actually just a very small about of time where two people are playing with each others bodies. Sure it can have connection, but nothing in life is permanent. Everything changes and no one is tied to one more so than anyone else. The idea of romance and sex is very nice, but it's only a small part of the family relationship.
What are you talking about?
Depends on what?
Marriage and family is just an idea or concept???
:ROFLMAO:... concept in your silly mind? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Marriage is the basis of every society of every culture to every religion and serves precisely to build the family...
Have you ever heard of royal families???
Do you think they are an abstract concept?

I was answering a specific question ...
and sex is a completely separate thing from both love and romanticism...
and it's when you confuse love with sex that the jealousies and disrespect toward the woman who puts her children to the best...
Without women none of us would exist.... including you and all abstract concepts in side your cracked brain
So for ever maximum respect to women like Vivian
I'd have liked to have seen sex with other men in this game. It's kind of bland she only cheats with one guy so far.
Vivian in only 2 chapters has already fucked three men outside of her marriage
2 times with Chris in the evening for save her husband job
and the day after in the office toilette
and her husband saw it all even though she realized it later

but if you consider flirting with other men as cheating then you have to add her son's roommates and the mechanic Screenshot 2025-08-25 at 15.03.42.jpg Screenshot 2025-08-25 at 15.03.54.jpg Screenshot 2025-08-25 at 15.04.01.jpg Screenshot 2025-08-25 at 15.04.16.jpg
and if you add the fact that she had anal sex with the husband (Brian) of a stranger (Rebecca) she met in a sex barm where she had gone without wedding ring for the obvious purpose of finding a man to fuck her
And the next day she gave her phone number to one of her black students (Marcel) because he practically saved her from a possible gang rape by a neighborhood basketball team

But it doesn't end there ... then she ... on the night she had a date with her husband to finally have an intimate evening with just him she has to go to a hotel to close the deal with Mr. Reese so that she can complete her part which involves being violently fucked by the client, but in the end instead of having the evening promised to her husband she doesn't hold back and goes to Christian all angry to give him a piece of her mind, except that she is then fucked three times by Chris having multiple orgasms all night ... and her husband remains waiting for her in the car...

If you think that this game is "bland"... probably you're an alien living in the gay sex world, or something where Marriage and Family are just abstract concepts
 
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Puckhog27

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You strongly identify with the concept of marriage clearly. Enough to care about it, but as I said it's just an idea. There are more people choosing to be single today for many reasons. One is that it's often used as a money wagon due to laws today that favor women in marriage. One is that women don't want to play the role of mom. Many leave the kids up to the dad or a nanny now while they go to work doing nonsense jobs. Why wouldn't they prefer that to cooking, cleaning, and pleasing a husband?

At any rate, enough of ideas and concepts on arbitrary ideas posited as facts. The last time I played I didn't see the scene you mentioned. Perhaps I'll try again.

I'm not a cuckold fetish person. I don't mind it, but don't identify with it either. I just like the uncomfortable sex scenes. Most of which again us caused by a person's perception of what should be. They wouldn't be bothered if they didn't have that concept.
 
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I am here to testify that there can be sweetness in sex. And that the sweetness of it is more important than the climax of it, although I would not want it without the climax. Other people seem to think there is no sweetness in it, which would only mean it is not sweet for them. Gay or straight, I would not choose such a person to be my sexual partner. Sex begins with a display of affection and continues to be that progressively more intensely.

Once again we learn that our own personal life experiences in no way limit what the life of another person might be like.

I once knew a guy who told his wife that sex was like clipping your fingernails. There is nothing special about it, you simply need to do it once in a while. Her response was anguished, "No it is not". Such people should not marry each other, is what I think.
 
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Bro, being someone who believes in Santa Claus, you could be a Jehovah's Witness with your testify

I respect your faith. but meehh
 

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Interesting turn to the conversation. Let’s explode a few myths, shall we? The female orgasm is not the end all be all in a relationship. It is not the difference between good sex and bad sex or satisfaction. Many women find it difficult to have an orgasm for a variety of reasons - not dick size. Many women can only achieve orgasm with themselves. The size of the tool is less important than the connection and attraction the woman feels for the man. Many women prefer the intimacy over the orgasm. If it happens it’s a nice bonus, but doesn’t define the act. The female orgasm took on heroic proportions during the early 70s. It began to symbolize the independence of women and ascendency of women as equal partners. So far, so good. Yet, like most things it got warped over time. Now, in popular culture it is deemed the only measure of great sex. Myths that are rampant in these adult games such as - the big dick always gets the orgasm are terribly misleading. If you have a group of close female friends, more than a couple will express that sex is uncomfortable for them if the guy is overly large. They are more interested in whether the guy is willing to go downtown and willing to reciprocate. Do they have a connection? How does he make her feel? Men are visual - most women not so much. Sure there are some women, like men, that just want to slap bodies. They can disassociate the act from the feeling. This speaks to more of a psychological issue present at that time. Fear of intimacy, selfishness, immaturity or something more pathological. Porn stars can make this distinction, although many female porn actors will admit a connection with a certain actor that makes it more enjoyable. They never claim it’s because it’s the size of the wang or he’s an “Alpha.” They always talk about how he makes them feel. Anyhow, just my two cents from an older gent.
 

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Came to see if there is any kind of update announcement but man the forum is still going hot & wild.
It seems there is some Pro-Vivian & tame-Christian supporters who thinks it's ok for her to cheat after she was for 22 years good wife & mother. Question, why it's ok for her to cheat or stories or people think she deserves it? Isn't it same for the husband also? He also was a good husband & father for 22 years. What does he get.

For me, Vivian the 1st disrespect she showed to Hutch on screen was when she shut down his protest about boss wanting her to sleep in the same bed. She knowingly went to the lion's den. The 1st time she had sex that night maybe she subconsciously wanted it but 2nd time in the kitchen she consciously and reluctantly went along with it and in the 3rd time she consciously & willingly went along with it. After the ordeal she thought everything will be great but found Hutch was kind of acting weird and keeping distance. She was bitchy in the car till she felt Hutch is being distance, it is then she felt guilty somewhat but it wasn't enough as after shower she remembered the affair in fondness while sniffing Christian's shirt and keeping it in her side of the bed's drawer.

I think the talk she wants with Hutch in Ch3 is "Honey we need to talk, I'm taking a lover" talk.

Till now in her mind everything was happening cause of Christian seduction and Hutch's permission. Now she wants to take charge of the situation. She is done with sneaking & feeling guilty. She is empowered now. So she will tell Hutch, Christian will fuck her cause she needs it like he told her, and he needs to suck it up cause Christian will keep fucking her whether he likes it or not also like he told her. So he needs to accept it & love her like used to so she can now fuck him in their bedroom whenever they feel like it until it's out of their system. Even though she has strong feelings for Christian she won't leave Hutch as she knows Christian won't be a good long term partner. So after everything is said and done they will continue as a great couple for the next 22 years. THE END. Hope that's not the way it goes.
 
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Interesting turn to the conversation. Let’s explode a few myths, shall we? The female orgasm is not the end all be all in a relationship. It is not the difference between good sex and bad sex or satisfaction. Many women find it difficult to have an orgasm for a variety of reasons - not dick size. Many women can only achieve orgasm with themselves. The size of the tool is less important than the connection and attraction the woman feels for the man. Many women prefer the intimacy over the orgasm. If it happens it’s a nice bonus, but doesn’t define the act. The female orgasm took on heroic proportions during the early 70s. It began to symbolize the independence of women and ascendency of women as equal partners. So far, so good. Yet, like most things it got warped over time. Now, in popular culture it is deemed the only measure of great sex. Myths that are rampant in these adult games such as - the big dick always gets the orgasm are terribly misleading. If you have a group of close female friends, more than a couple will express that sex is uncomfortable for them if the guy is overly large. They are more interested in whether the guy is willing to go downtown and willing to reciprocate. Do they have a connection? How does he make her feel? Men are visual - most women not so much. Sure there are some women, like men, that just want to slap bodies. They can disassociate the act from the feeling. This speaks to more of a psychological issue present at that time. Fear of intimacy, selfishness, immaturity or something more pathological. Porn stars can make this distinction, although many female porn actors will admit a connection with a certain actor that makes it more enjoyable. They never claim it’s because it’s the size of the wang or he’s an “Alpha.” They always talk about how he makes them feel. Anyhow, just my two cents from an older gent.
Once again we learn that our own personal life experiences in no way limit what the life of another person might be like. I refuse to think my life experience is a myth. Some women are not orgasmic, I suppose, but those that are orgasmic want to have it, so I have been told. I have even been told to not climax so quickly, wait for her. In her case, she gave no sight or sound sign of when she was ready. So we agreed that she would tell me when. You bet she wanted it though.

It is true though that, if you have little or no real world sexual experience, porn is terribly misleading. Sadness for the woman who marries a guy who thinks porn is sexual reality.
 
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I think that mentally for both sexes their ideas help to achieve arousal or orgasm. Some people are more easily aroused or stimulated than others. It's been shown that women do orgasm in purely physical situations as well. For instance diluting rape where they may be repulsed, afraid, or disgusted by the person they're having sex with. Then they have to go to therapy to get past the mental aspect if why they found pleasure g from such a thing. I believe that tlmost people could be stimulated to orgasm from rubbing in the right way regardless of their emotional feelings. You just gave to find the right spots and the right way to stimulate. For women it might be rubbing certain parts like breasts, clitoris, hips, buttocks, gspot, etc. in a certain way. It could be sucking, goipping, kissing, nussling, etc. Everyone has their weakness. It could be a certain position or angle. Men are easier as they usually want to engage and their erections often come easily. Rubbing the penis will usually cause erections. Finding the right way to rub/lick a woman's vulva/clitoris/uterus to stimulate it can be more tricky, but I think anyone can be aroused though the afirementioned methods. Some women can't resist direct clitoral stimulation. Some like other parts of the vulca in certain specific places. I've seen women orgasm for real in porn fantasies where they have no love/attachment extremely hard. Again, I think it's finding their weakness and putting in the effort/time to make it happen. A women's trust/affection for her partner isn't the only way and doesn't necessarily lead to the most intense of possible orgasms IMO based on what I've seen. However It may be more tender, living, affectionate, and happy in that scenario.
 

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My guesses:

Even though she has strong feelings for Christian she won't leave Hutch as she knows Christian won't be a good long term partner.
This is not going to work long term, even though Wife seems to think it could, might even be possible. Chapter 3 is Husband's chapter (so says SC) where wife finds that out. Husband does know about the situation and one way or the other it will not continue to be acceptable to him.
So after everything is said and done they will continue as a great couple for the next 22 years. THE END.

Hope that's not the way it goes.
Don't worry about that.
 

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Came to see if there is any kind of update announcement but man the forum is still going hot & wild.
It seems there is some Pro-Vivian & tame-Christian supporters who thinks it's ok for her to cheat after she was for 22 years good wife & mother. Question, why it's ok for her to cheat or stories or people think she deserves it? Isn't it same for the husband also? He also was a good husband & father for 22 years. What does he get.

For me, Vivian the 1st disrespect she showed to Hutch on screen was when she shut down his protest about boss wanting her to sleep in the same bed. She knowingly went to the lion's den. The 1st time she had sex that night maybe she subconsciously wanted it but 2nd time in the kitchen she consciously and reluctantly went along with it and in the 3rd time she consciously & willingly went along with it. After the ordeal she thought everything will be great but found Hutch was kind of acting weird and keeping distance. She was bitchy in the car till she felt Hutch is being distance, it is then she felt guilty somewhat but it wasn't enough as after shower she remembered the affair in fondness while sniffing Christian's shirt and keeping it in her side of the bed's drawer.

I think the talk she wants with Hutch in Ch3 is "Honey we need to talk, I'm taking a lover" talk.

Till now in her mind everything was happening cause of Christian seduction and Hutch's permission. Now she wants to take charge of the situation. She is done with sneaking & feeling guilty. She is empowered now. So she will tell Hutch, Christian will fuck her cause she needs it like he told her, and he needs to suck it up cause Christian will keep fucking her whether he likes it or not also like he told her. So he needs to accept it & love her like used to so she can now fuck him in their bedroom whenever they feel like it until it's out of their system. Even though she has strong feelings for Christian she won't leave Hutch as she knows Christian won't be a good long term partner. So after everything is said and done they will continue as a great couple for the next 22 years. THE END. Hope that's not the way it goes.
I think It's for sure going to be a case of her going home to try and keep Hutchy boi sweet. And to get him to agree to let her continue her affair more in the open now sure. I'd imagine so she can try and feel less like a piece of shit about herself.

I know what I want to happen. But it's probably not, let's be real. So I instead just hope this doesn't go either of the two ways I can see it going. With the first one being it was actually just a VivianXChristian love story the whole time. Where the whole point was just getting them to realise they're actually "in love" and they end up together. And I also hope it doesn't just end with Hutch and Vivian still "together" but now they have a Hotwife/Cuckold dynamic. Where she can just freely fuck anyone and everyone.

I want to see them broken up by the end. And Vivian (hopefully) suffering from it. And Hutch thriving. (y)
 

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I want to see them broken up by the end. And Vivian (hopefully) suffering from it. And Hutch thriving. (y)
It is interesting to see that you ask for no consequences for Boss; yizzit that the asshole male sexual predator remains an accetable porn cliche? I understand that the Wife/Boss love story is an overdone porn cliche. But why hope for no reconciliation for Wife/Husband? Remember it would be (SC willing) on Husband's terms which might not be so easy on her. There is no reason to assume that the reconciliation would simply be another silly porn cliche.

But truth is, I don't see either path likely, not that I am hoping for hard times for Wife, even though SC is likely to give us that.
 

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Not sure what will happen in chapter three. But in all of the previews Hutch and Vivian are still wearing the wedding bands....
 

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Not sure what will happen in chapter three. But in all of the previews Hutch and Vivian are still wearing the wedding bands....
There we go hoping again. The presence of that ring might simply be an oversight on SC's part. Or not worth his time to do that little edit on images that are not ready for release anyway.

But yes, I insist on hoping anyway, in spite of the street prostitute like image of Wife looking in a car window that SC left us.
 

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I think It's for sure going to be a case of her going home to try and keep Hutchy boi sweet. And to get him to agree to let her continue her affair more in the open now sure. I'd imagine so she can try and feel less like a piece of shit about herself.

I know what I want to happen. But it's probably not, let's be real. So I instead just hope this doesn't go either of the two ways I can see it going. With the first one being it was actually just a VivianXChristian love story the whole time. Where the whole point was just getting them to realise they're actually "in love" and they end up together. And I also hope it doesn't just end with Hutch and Vivian still "together" but now they have a Hotwife/Cuckold dynamic. Where she can just freely fuck anyone and everyone.

I want to see them broken up by the end. And Vivian (hopefully) suffering from it. And Hutch thriving. (y)

I share your preferred ending. Preferably with a Hutch & Addison finale. If that is not in the cards, then at least an ending with Hutch leaving to regain his sanity. Him accepting and coping with the current arrangement giving carte blanche to Vivian would be my least favored, even less than Hutch not making it until the end in such a way that additional tags are required.
 

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Again, I think it's finding their weakness and putting in the effort/time to make it happen. A women's trust/affection for her partner isn't the only way and doesn't necessarily lead to the most intense of possible orgasms IMO based on what I've seen. However It may be more tender, living, affectionate, and happy in that scenario.
I don't think it is a matter of weakness. The way I hear it, the most intense stimulation for a woman is when the penis is in contact with the clitoris, and size of the penis and depth of penetration do not matter at all. Which is why a woman can climax during rape. It is the way the female body is most often wired. Sure it is emotionally devastating for her.

The other part of it is that a man cannot be brought to climax against his will during homosexual rape. That might not he true if the man is anally erotic. The truth is that the penis is a most unreliable organ that can take any old excuse to collapse, like fear, anger, etc. If a guy is fighting homosexual rape, no climax. Can a man be raped by a woman?

Let me give you my real life experience, working in an all night operation, taking a break sitting in the lobby, a sex worker comes in off the street, walks right up to me, and starts rubbing my dick through my pants. No response from me. I at least am pretty sure a woman cannot rape me.
 
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I share your preferred ending. Preferably with a Hutch & Addison finale. If that is not in the cards, then at least an ending with Hutch leaving to regain his sanity. Him accepting and coping with the current arrangement giving carte blanche to Vivian would be my least favored, even less than Hutch not making it until the end in such a way that additional tags are required.
Again let me say, that carte blanche need be in no way part of a reconciliation. For me she would damn well shape up and do what I say to prove she has changed or out the door she goes.
 
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