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not funny, just obvious. she either caught him, or more likely got told to close another deal. shes mad, and chris is reminding her (again) that he owns her and she will do as told.....and she will. even sc says vivs not that deep, this follows her pattern.
"And she will."

I see that about as likely as Husband agreeing to a sharing arrangement.

I am hearing the severity in her voice at the end of chapter 2 where she tells him, "We will not speak of this again." I hear her meaning that. And I hear SC saying that at the end of chpt 2, Wife confronts Boss and this is a significant point in the game. I know a lot of players will want to discount that, but my money remains with SC.
 

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You are assuming that she believes what he is saying.... there was a time in chapter one ... before the bathroom scene where he did say if she did not work for him there would be layoffs and they would be her fault.
1 he is referring to her "project" where she digs up info on clients social media. he says "without it, numbers are down, in time, I may have to lay off people."

viv even referrs to the same line later, and chris answers, " work for me, yes. if i dont replace that lost revenue, of course layoffs could happen. thats just business. but sleep with me, no, you did that on your own."
chris is an asshole, and i hope he gets some reprocussion, but its the truth. almost everything has been initiated by viv.


"And she will."

I see that about as likely as Husband agreeing to a sharing arrangement.

I am hearing the severity in her voice at the end of chapter 2 where she tells him, "We will not speak of this again." I hear her meaning that. And I hear SC saying that at the end of chpt 2, Wife confronts Boss and this is a significant point in the game. I know a lot of players will want to discount that, but my money remains with SC.
wow, i need to get your copy, viv doesnt speak in mine. but ill point out a couple things.
she says we wont speak of HIM again, not IT. also note that she had even more severity in her voice when chris told her she was property....pretty sure she ended up spread eagle on a table in the yard shortly after. its a pattern for her. viv is used to hutch, and students bending to her will when she puffs her chest,and yells. but has no answer to anyone that doesnt fold immediately
 

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1 he is referring to her "project" where she digs up info on clients social media. he says "without it, numbers are down, in time, I may have to lay off people."

viv even referrs to the same line later, and chris answers, " work for me, yes. if i dont replace that lost revenue, of course layoffs could happen. thats just business. but sleep with me, no, you did that on your own."
chris is an asshole, and i hope he gets some reprocussion, but its the truth. almost everything has been initiated by viv.
Wow, I need to get your copy.
wow, i need to get your copy, viv doesnt speak in mine. but ill point out a couple things.
she says we wont speak of HIM again, not IT.
Being ok to speak of IT, but not of HIM doesn't make sense. Why would HIM be more important than being prostituted? Remember, when she first entered his house, it was being prostituted that had her so angry. If she did say HIM, she meant the event.
also note that she had even more severity in her voice when chris told her she was property....pretty sure she ended up spread eagle on a table
I don't think so. After some talk, he carries her up to bed and fucks her. She does tell him he owns her, and she will not continue to resist him. She also said other things. SC called that session a significant confrontation of Boss. Do you think SC was not thinking clearly? The point in my mind is that she was trying to trade something he wants for things she wants. A confrontation. Not that Boss will respect her wishes, but that there are certain points she will not yield on.
its a pattern for her. viv is used to hutch, and students bending to her will when she puffs her chest,and yells. but has no answer to anyone that doesnt fold immediately
Do you see how your idea that
it is a pattern for her...she folds immediately
conflicts with
almost everything has been initiated by viv.

Whos is the initiator here?

You sound like Dylan. Do you remember high school? Did disruptive kids immediately fold? Do you remember anybody ever being sent to talk to the principal? I'd say there is no more severe test for a teacher than facing a room full of teenagers.
 
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There is also the scene where he's texting her while in bed with a mysterious blonde (whom some thought was Addison, or a relative of hers). He's obviously fucking more than once at a time.
As for the cuckolding, it's already in place. Although, as other pointed out, Hutch can be spineless, passive, with no personality, but it doesn't look like he will finally enjoy seeing Vivian getting rammed in front of him. He has been betrayed by his wife and hurt by her and his boss. He hasn't discovered some new sexual kink. It wouldn't make sense.
I wasn't talking about Hutch enjoying it or anything. What I meant was, that Christian could manipulate Vivian into letting him do her in front of Hutch. Regardless if he likes it or not. He's good at mind games and has proven that he can twirl her around his finger as much as he wants. Based on these two pics I can see Christian coming to their house one day and just take her. Screenshot 2025-10-20 20-29-36.png Screenshot 2025-10-20 20-29-39.png
 

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I wasn't talking about Hutch enjoying it or anything. What I meant was, that Christian could manipulate Vivian into letting him do her in front of Hutch. Regardless if he likes it or not. He's good at mind games and has proven that he can twirl her around his finger as much as he wants. Based on these two pics I can see Christian coming to their house one day and just take her. View attachment 5362146 View attachment 5362147
He also said that some other husbands enjoyed seeing their wives getting pleasure from him. Despite what Viv said that Hutch isn't like that. I could see him try to manipulate her in that direction.
The way you wrote it (see bold quotation), I thought you mean the cliché cuckold who enjoy seeing her wife fucked in front of him.

I don't think the dialogues you inserted mean that. It's just her being very naïve -really doing "homework" at home- and Christian following the flow. Although, it's possible that when Vivian (and Hutch) will go way down the rabbit hole, Christian can choose to hammer one of the final nails into the coffin and force Vivian to fuck with him in front of her husband. Humiliating both partners in the process.
 

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Vivian initially going behind Hutch's back to see Christian was manipulative (She didn't want Christian to say anything about her meeting with him at the office).
That's not why Vivian doesn't want Hutch to know she went to talk to Christian.
Her reasons are simple and straightforward.
1) The reason is to save her husband's job...
2) Vivian has never met Christian in the six years her husband has been working for him.
It seems obvious to me that she doesn't want Hutch to know... the night before, it was Hutch himself who made it clear to his wife that he didn't know how to avoid being fired.
If you read the dialogues that make Vivian decide to take action, you understand very well that Hutch is incapable of reacting and looking for a way to avoid being fired.


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  w "If a new job isn't an option, then you need to keep what you have."
h "What are you talking about?"
w "Well, maybe it's not too late, you know?... to keep your job... "
w "... he hasn't technically fired you so maybe there's still a chance."
h "A chance for what?  Mr. Landon getting a brain tumor between now and tomorrow morning?"
w "A chance for you to change his mind.  To prove you are still a valuable asset to him."
As you can see, the night before, Hutch is a weak man who cannot find any pathway out or alternative job that would allow him to maintain the standard of living he wanted for his family.
This is not a problem for Vivian
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 w "We'll invite him to dinner, cook his favorite dish, drink his favorite wine..."
h "I don't know... I don't think he'll fall for it."
w "It'll work.  We just have to get through the day, make him come to dinner."
h "How are we going to do that?  He's not a guy to be persuaded or intimidated.  Once he makes his mind up... that's it."
h "He'll pull me into his office first thing and cut the cord."
This tells us that he is unable to fight for the good of his family.

So you think he should throw away his 22 years of marriage to Vivian and prevent their son Sawyer from going to college?
She basically told Hutch if he did not at least fight for his job (i.e. go along with her plan)
Vivian is doing her role perfectly... She is his wife and the mother of their son!
Of course, in a marriage, decisions are made by mutual agreement, which is why it is very important to understand why Hutch married Vivian 22 years ago.
Vivian is insecure about getting older and becoming less attractive, and she craves affirmation from men she thinks are "significant." It is obvious that she does have strong feelings of affection for Hutch, and she was tormented by feelings of guilt for betraying him.
What?
The day Vivian meets Christian without her husband knowing is the first time she has seen him, so she had never cheated on Hutch before.

I don't think your comment makes sense. You are confusing the dynamics of the events that lead to Hutch accepting Vivian's betrayal because she saved him from being fired.
 
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Hutch knows that Vivian has a thing for How Christian has sex with her. THat is why he open the marriage. He even said that is how he would keep her. I do not believe she has any feelings for Christian . I actually think she has a dislike for him ( Christian ). We see this on several occasions. That said.. I think she is smart. Now we see her getting bold in her actions with Christian. I still think there is something planned where she is the bait so to speak to bring him down. Hutch is the silent type. But do not underestimate that.. I think... I hope we see him start to make his move this release.
 

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Hutch knows that Vivian has a thing for How Christian has sex with her. THat is why he open the marriage. He even said that is how he would keep her. I do not believe she has any feelings for Christian . I actually think she has a dislike for him ( Christian ). We see this on several occasions. That said.. I think she is smart. Now we see her getting bold in her actions with Christian. I still think there is something planned where she is the bait so to speak to bring him down. Hutch is the silent type. But do not underestimate that.. I think... I hope we see him start to make his move this release.
Well that's for sure a take. One that I'm not sure where you're getting, as these last episodes feel like pretty much the opposite to me. Like she's just falling more and more for him.

What with the keeping his shirt and wearing it while he's away. Going out and trying to pick up some random dude to determine if what she's feeling is just for Christian or not. Confiding in Sunshine about how he drives her mad, and then even being willing to give up her anal virginity to strangers, just so she can be better prepared for giving it up to Christian when he asks for it.

I mean, even just looking at the ending with her admitting she's been resisting him and the like, but now she's just going to accept that she's his now and she's not going to fight it. These are not the actions of a woman who "has no feelings for a guy" and especially not one who "dislikes" him...:ROFLMAO:

Whether it's love or not remains to be seen. And I hope it isn't going to be some story about how, she ends up being the one who "tames" him or some shit. But she's quite clearly at the very least deeply in LUST with the guy. And pretty obsessed about him IMO.
 
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Hutch knows that Vivian has a thing for How Christian has sex with her. THat is why he open the marriage. He even said that is how he would keep her. I do not believe she has any feelings for Christian . I actually think she has a dislike for him ( Christian ). We see this on several occasions. That said.. I think she is smart. Now we see her getting bold in her actions with Christian. I still think there is something planned where she is the bait so to speak to bring him down. Hutch is the silent type. But do not underestimate that.. I think... I hope we see him start to make his move this release.
Hutch is an insecure man, he is a weak man... and this is clear from the conversations he has with his wife in the day 1 and from the fact that for six whole years he managed to avoid introducing his wife to his boss.
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In this scene, Hutch shows his weakness... a real man cannot talk to his wife like that.
No one has touched his wife yet, and he shows himself to be a loser in front of her... .. Vivian begins to understand that her man is weak, but she is only doing what she must to save her family.

Hutch knows his limits, and if it weren't for Vivian forcing him to fight for his job, he would become an unemployed man living off his wife Vivian... she won't leave him, not after 22 years of marriage.

Frankly, I don't think the conditions are right for Hutch to change in the future and become the strong man of the family... and that's why it's increasingly important to understand what Hutch was like 22 years ago and why he decided to marry a woman who was much stronger than him.
 
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I see your point. But ( Just my opinion ) All what you said is driven by Sex. Even the shirt thing. She is search for his smell.. even that gets her going. Look how hard she defends Hutch ... That is a wife that loves him ... Christian is great in Bed... What woman can defend against that... since she has set the boundaries for Hutch to be generic sex. Not sure she will cross that line. She even mention it to Sunshine. She wants Christian for that type of sex she is conflicted to get from her husband. But I do believe she has a great bond with her husband... Right now as Hutch mention..it is unconventional.
 

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Hutch is a mystery. I do not think he is weak. What weak man could place his wife in this situation of an open marriage with a tyrant boss and keep his mind. In the pics above I see a man who knows the enemy and is protecting his own against it. I think he did not introduce his wife prior because he know his Boss and women and possible his own wife inability to defend against a dominate man. So avoid it by staying away.
 

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I see your point. But ( Just my opinion ) All what you said is driven by Sex. Even the shirt thing. She is search for his smell.. even that gets her going. Look how hard she defends Hutch ... That is a wife that loves him ... Christian is great in Bed... What woman can defend against that... since she has set the boundaries for Hutch to be generic sex. Not sure she will cross that line. She even mention it to Sunshine. She wants Christian for that type of sex she is conflicted to get from her husband. But I do believe she has a great bond with her husband... Right now as Hutch mention..it is unconventional.
The fact that Christian is good at sex is not important... sex is not everything (even if this is an adult game with explicit scenes). I look at this story from a more realistic point of view...
in a marriage that has lasted 22 years, sex is not what matters, and I am sure that Vivian did not marry Hutch because he was good in bed.
Women marry when they find a man who gives them stability.
Sex isn't important... sex lasts half an hour or an hour at most. Life is built over time, and every day is made up of 24 hours.
What matters in a marriage is what you can build... it matters to have children and allow them to become strong men who can continue your lineage...
Men are not rabbits that fuck all the time...
To say that Vivian is attracted to the sex that Christina introduced her to is a miserable view of married life.

In the scenes I posted, you can see Vivian's expression saddening with every sentence that comes out of Hutch's mouth... because he is the one who makes his wife understand that she is about to meet someone he would never have let her meet...
In fact, look at what Vivian direct says to her hubby the night before. Screenshot 2025-10-21 at 15.45.52.jpg

It is Hutch who proves to be fragile... now it is important to understand why a strong woman like Vivian chose to marry a weak man....
Sometimes women marry men precisely because they want to be the ones in charge of the family.
Sex is only a very sporadic occurrence in the life of a man and a woman. Unless you believe that your wife should be your personal own prostitute without ever saying anything about the life you are building together as a couple

I believe that a strong husband would never have told his wife that he had been fired.
Many of my male friends have told me that they lost their jobs... and they also told me not to mention it to their wives.
it's not something you should do, especially when you've made sure for six years that your family knows nothing about your work.
 
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Being ok to speak of IT, but not of HIM doesn't make sense. Why would HIM be more important than being prostituted? Remember, when she first entered his house, it was being prostituted that had her so angry. If she did say HIM, she meant the event.


I don't think so. After some talk, he carries her up to bed and fucks her. She does tell him he owns her, and she will not continue to resist him. She also said other things. SC called that session a significant confrontation of Boss. Do you think SC was not thinking clearly? The point in my mind is that she was trying to trade something he wants for things she wants. A confrontation. Not that Boss will respect her wishes, but that there are certain points she will not yield on.


Do you see how your idea that
it is a pattern for her...she folds immediately
conflicts with
almost everything has been initiated by viv.

Whos is the initiator here?

You sound like Dylan. Do you remember high school? Did disruptive kids immediately fold? Do you remember anybody ever being sent to talk to the principal? I'd say there is no more severe test for a teacher than facing a room full of teenagers.
im just trying to analyze whats written. as you said, there is a difference in meaning. at that point she had just agreed she belongs to chris, the man who pimped her out a couple hours ago. i corrected your quote because you were twisting words to suit your narrative.i dont think the convo about her being a "closer" is over, and there are a number of reasons she may not want to talk about hotel guy. just because the experience excited her doesnt mean she cant hate his guts. or maybe shes scared to think about him because she hates how it excited her, maybe its wrinkly balls trauma, idk, not for me to say.

your point about sc's post is only looking at it from your hope and bias. what makes you think sc wasnt noting the significance of viv admitting chris owns her? and how it cued up impending changes in the marriage. theres more than 1 side to that coin,noah, and you only hope theres points she wont yield on.

my ideas are able to coexist. she can be the catalyst to a situation, but fold when theres confrontation. heres the pattern. viv gets an idea(plan to save job), initiates plot point(goes in early to seduce boss), things dont go as viv expected(weak in the knees before they reach his office....oops), que emotional or sex scene. the pattern repeats, and it almost always starts with viv.

sure, you can try to insult me. its not hard to see that you get emotional in your white knighting for viv, so its expected. but that doesnt change the fact that this is the viv show
 

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Yes I think it is currently the Viv show. I (just me ) think she is part of a plot to bring Christian down. She is the achilleas heal. Christian is obsessed with her. I think This will be his undoing. I hope in this release we see Hutch begin his move...
 
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I agree with almost everything you write... the only things I disagree with are when you talk about the evolution of the story, because I would also like to have my say on the future of the story, but from what I understand, SC Stories wants to write an unpredictable development, so anything about what will happen could spoil the surprises he has in store for us.
So I will just continue to talk about what has already been written.
So far, Hutch has been acting like a loser and a weak man...
I'm sure something will happen but will not be his own totally move
I'm just focusing on what's been written... anyway, I don't think he'll throw away 22 years of marriage to Vivian at this point... we'll see.
 

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Agreed ! Well see ! so far all I guess on SC stories has fooled me ( I a good Way ) He is very good at mis-direction !
 

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Usually, strong men never tell their families that they've been fired by their boss... so at that moment, Hutch put himself in the position of the loser who tells his mommy/wife that he got a bad grade and was expelled from school.... in these cases, “mommy” goes to talk to the principal and resolves the situation... either with a check or a blowjob. :devilish:
And that's more or less what happened in CH1.:)
 
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Usually, strong men never tell their families that they've been fired by their boss... so at that moment, Hutch put himself in the position of the loser who tells his mommy/wife that he got a bad grade and was expelled from school.... in these cases, “mommy” goes to talk to the principal and resolves the situation... either with a check or a blowjob. :devilish:
And that's more or less what happened in CH1.:)
But he did not ask her to....He did not want to bring her to dinner. Vivian thought she could save the day... She was wrong. I don't think he would have fired Hutch...
 

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Yes I think it is currently the Viv show. I (just me ) think she is part of a plot to bring Christian down. She is the achilleas heal. Christian is obsessed with her. I think This will be his undoing. I hope in this release we see Hutch begin his move...
What tangible facts still make you believe that, packard1928 ? Between those two, if someone it's obsessed with the other, that's Vivian. Somehow she acknowledge this to Sunshine. She hates the guy, but she can't stop coming back because he's good in bed. She's not showing an ounce of self-respect. She's send to get raped and instead of defending herself against the pimp, she let herself fall for a new perverse mind game (rape recreation). Instead, Christian it's having fun with this, and fucking around with other women (the mysterious blonde, whoever she is). Even SC Stories reckons that Vivian is not that interesting as a character.
You're also hoping for Hutch to start his move, if you think that Vivian it's part of a plot, I assume that you think that husband and wife are acting together. Hutch has been betrayed, barely speaking with his wife and Vivian having nightmares where Hutch leaves her. It doesn't look good in terms of couple complicity.
 
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your point about sc's post is only looking at it from your hope and bias. what makes you think sc wasnt noting the significance of viv admitting chris owns her? and how it cued up impending changes in the marriage. theres more than 1 side to that coin,noah, and you only hope theres points she wont yield on.
Because SC clearly and distinctly called it a "confrontation". One that he considers significant in the game. If SC saw it as a capitulation, he would have said that instead.
my ideas are able to coexist. she can be the catalyst to a situation, but fold when theres confrontation.
She does not fold when she tells Boss not to mention "it" again. She did not fold when she told Boss not to be cruel to Husband. She does not fold what she says, "But remember..." And Boss says, "I know...sacrifice".
heres the pattern. viv gets an idea(plan to save job), initiates plot point(goes in early to seduce boss), things dont go as viv expected(weak in the knees before they reach his office....oops), que emotional or sex scene. the pattern repeats, and it almost always starts with viv.
Going to talk to Boss about Husband's job does not say she was starting something sexual. She did not go to his office to seduce him. True her knees got week, but again, that was not her intending to start something.

Here's the my question:

Do you see how your idea that
it is a pattern for her...she folds immediately
conflicts with
almost everything has been initiated by viv.

Whos is the initiator here?
 
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