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TheDuke9999

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Hey vivian is the best hoe wife a man could ask for. i mean how many wives would spread them legs for the husbands boss to keep that paycheck coming in and on top of that keeping her sons friends very happy an fullfilled.. she is the best hoe wife an mother you could ask for.. god i love that woman.
 
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great game and sequences but HOLY SHIT the dev needs to compress or reduce the file size on this one.


4.23 gb for a few sex scenes is too much.
 
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Well, I had a quick look at the psychological questions/dilemmas that are discussed here. It took a good while. I made a summary and included my personal point of view and thougts as I promised:

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well damn i must admit you pretty much nailed it on that recap for real.. couldnt have said it any better myself . i mean i talk shit alot but that was really good. nice to have the female perspective to really put things in place.. good job!!!!!!! leonardo-dicaprio-clapping.gif leonardo-dicaprio-clapping.gif
 

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Let's look at the reality of female nature, Vivian's nature, through what the Bible revealed about women, as God tried to warn men to grow two eye's on the back of their heads when it comes to dealing with the opposite sex.

Adam and Eve are sitting in the garden of Eden gazing up into the heavens, they can see all of Gods creation, when Adam turn's to Eve and says

" Eve isn't this amazing, God has given us life, God has given us everything that we desire, we have all that we'll ever need, we are immortal and are at one with God and Gods mind, we know his plan, isn't this devine"

To which Eve replays

" ahhh, it's still not enough "

Point being lads, men are like loyal puppies and women are scheming cats. women in general ( if they're going to be honest) don't give a f%£k about you, never have and never will, they don't give a fuck and your problem's, ( Hutch) they are agents of chaos, addicted to drama like drugs addicts are to their next hit ( Vivian). Women now-a-days aren't interested in building anything with men, they wait at the Finnish line to pick the winner ( Chris).

When most women marry they marry their second or third choices, they marry for all the wrong reasons.

You as a man, could be a six foot, tall dark and handsome bastard, half a monk and half a James Bond special forces operator, that show's up at all the exact times, whispering all the exact word's into her ear's exactly the way she read in the last romance novel or ROM com that she's watched and it still wouldn't be enough

You could give her everything that she ever desired, the money, the perfect house, in the perfect location, the two best sports cars that money can buy and the the 2.5 kids and jet setting holidays all over the world, and she will quite happily burn it all to the ground, in order to feel good, just for a few hour's, meaning, if a twat, a loser, who doesn't give a fuck about her or what she thinks or wants shows up, looking OK but is armed to the theeth with all the right moves and all the right words that make her FEEL good, just for a few hours, her panties will dropped quicker that a nuclear weapon and she will blame you.

Remember, women are emotion machine's that run on FEELINGS, there is no logic to anything they do or say, they want that alpha male ( that bad boy) Chris, that will take her on an emotional rollercoaster ride, that will psychology fuck her up for the rest of her life but she won't care as long as somewhere in experience of that ride she got to FEEL alive ( Vivian)

Hutch is a good man, family man, thoughtful, caring hard working and a loving father and husband

Vivian is a typically modern day, deluded and entitled feminist slut, who is bored with life, bored with hutch and her border with her marriage and she is seeking an escape route, to FEEL good and she thinks she found it in Chris. What Vivian is doing is not out of love for her husband or her family ( that's the lie she told hutch and herself) in order to cope with being a entitled slag, Vivian is doing what she wants to do but she's trying to frame it as a selfless act of good intentions to help her husband, which is far from the truth, Chris is exciting, Chris is unpredictable, Chris is dangerous, Chris has social clout and influence, and what she's not telling hutch is that Chris has a bigger dick.

Vivian will bang Chris, she sleep with all of Chris client's, half Hutch's office colleges and the twins, she more than likely fuckef some of her students and in the end She will blame hutch, because that's who she really is a self serving narcissist
What in Chat-GPT AI Generation is this?!
 
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wesdxc66

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It’s like marriage is a comfy old sweater, but sometimes those tight leather pants are dangerous and thrilling :D
Sorry guys but it’s the alpha male energy that makes your knees weak and your panties drop! :oops:
These are the points I think should be emphasized in this mini-summary. It reflects an unique female perspective on a dilemma a woman faces in normal life sexual interactions.

I think why Vivian continues is no mystery. For me, it is like a drug, it is bad, but can't stop wanting more of that high.
Yep! I believe that it is in your brain that makes you want more. Dopamine plays a major role in this situation, it is not enough and you want more try more and taste more.

Overall it is like a review you read on IMDB that critics write on a movie that you like. Keep it up :D
 
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Hattyrulz

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Well, I had a quick look at the psychological questions/dilemmas that are discussed here. It took a good while. I made a summary and included my personal point of view and thougts as I promised:

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I'm disappointed even though i knew to an extent this aligns with dukes views of vivian... which i would have prefered to not be true. interesting how to you say the lovely solution is "not to own, but to love without owning". that's just basically the same as have a deal with an escort. it's not a relationship or marriage or any sort of ship if we word it so.

my view aligns more with worldkaiser "s quote of dylan93 in regards to vivians actions. EvliDekolteliAnne your view seems to me like you are saying its okay to taste to forbidden fruit when needed and still have a happy marriage.... i don't know if it works but stats don't lie.... at least in the us. that kind of of view in real life is just an excuse to justify the actions of the cheater. i think no spouse in their right mind should accept this kind of behaviour or even thoughts. even if the spouse is meek or dominant.

PS: some of your questions don't take into account the actions for the prior to those questions. like vivian telling hutch its ok if he wants to get even. she wasnt going to confess to her actions until she found out hutch know after the bathroom scene. she had doubts but never questions those feeling of unease she felt. may its my logic brain reacting but for it it just boils down to this. women aren't equipped to deal with men physically and on the flipside men can't deal with women emotionally. ty for the insight... hard pill to swallow for me.
 
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JoeBlogs

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during my first few affairs.
My first few affairs? really? does that mean there are other later affairs?
I'm curious, how's your hubbie take this? Is he allowed to have affairs too?

"not to own, but to love without owning"
Being committed has absolutely nothing to do with "owning" your partner. That's just a crazy way to see it.
At the very least, you could say that a marriage was entered with a certain set of rules, both parties agreed to. Any change to this set, without both parties agreeing to it, is plain and simple cheating and a very selfish and shitty thing to do. it reflects badly on the person in question. Hence why Vivian is getting flamed quite regularly in this thread (except from Dude though, but we love him the way he is).
 

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As a submissive woman who loves being dominated, I understand this. Christian’s dominance taps into Vivian’s sexual preferences,
I doubt this describes Vivian. At least we should put it in relative terms - one often hears women say "well, if the right man comes along, I put out my submissive side, but if I'm dealing with betas, I like to be strong myself". These are all terms which can be switched if it is convenient and in order to rationalize behaviour post factum. Meaning, these are not character traits which explain the behaviour, but in the contrary, situational dynamics which have to be explained themselves. Interestingly, the submissive side seems to be expressed, when it's about avoiding responsibility - although, in the case of Vivian, she hasn't played that card herself until now, so maybe we should wait before declaring her to be a submissive. There are hints, that she played a role in making Hutch the "beta" he seems to be now.

On the other hand the boss - not my concept of dominance at all. Here, I find a "female perspective" more helpful, because I genuinely think perceptions vary. I see a rather crude use of institutional and economic power, brutal and not very sophisticated. For me this has nothing to do with a dominant character (let alone "charisma"). Authority is the opposite of brutality. Being master of yourself is the opposite of crushing people just because they depend economically on you. And using the wife against somebody in such a manner is not a sign of real power - the boss dominates Hutch not because of his direct influence on him but because of the power of Hutche's wife over Hutch, this is important to keep in mind. Using the wife to hurt the other guy - not very dominant from a man's point of view, to be honest. Dominant doesn't mean other people hate you, in the contrary.
But as I said, I acknowledge that women maybe are better prepared to genuinely blend out these aspects (like men can blend out or misinterpret things in attractive women) and perceive that as dominant because the feel an impact in a certain situation. Vivian calls the boss "asshole", that may be an indicator of a different view on "dominance". I don't want to moralize the concept of dominance, but at least I would require it to have something to do with character, skill, control of emotions, influence, intelligence. It has to be a power, which comes from yourself, not from money or simple force. So maybe it would be more honest, and it has been said here before, that Vivian is attracted more to power and ressources than to dominance.
 
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Yes, I really like the story. At some points, it feels depressing when you empathize with Hutch. It happens for him all of a sudden. For Vivian, I believe there is more in the background so that things develop rather easily for her. Sorry, I won't hear her inner conflicts. We are our actions more than our thoughts. On the other hand, watching how Vivian enjoys that a strong, assertive man dominates her and satisfies her womanly needs is quite entertaining. Sometimes, all you need is a good rough bang-bang, which you have been craving for for years.




Escort analogy is oversimplification and I got the feeling I'm not understood well. When you truly love someone, you let him/her do things that make him/her happy. You share his/her happiness. Why would sex be any different? To be honest, I would let my husband enjoy the fruits of life as long as we remain loyal to our romantic/emotional commitment. I do understand and already said that it is really hard for many men and women to have this mind set. And my husband is no exception. Just imagine how much fun and adventure one could bring into his/her life, if adopted this perspective. For many, maybe I'm a cheating woman, but how many have listened to my side of the story? I'm not saying I am a saint and I would be the first to admit it.



My husband doesn't know about my affairs. He's never been open-minded, shutting down every attempt I made to connect or talk through our struggles. Marriage takes constant effort to thrive over a lifetime, you can't just pull away and expect it to work. I poured my heart into us for years, but exhaustion and loneliness eventually took over. Some might say, "Just leave him, then have your affairs." But it's not that simple when you're a mom with a kid who needs stability, a home you've built together, and a life intertwined after 15 years. In a country like Turkey, divorce is even harder. Culturally, it's stigmatized, especially for women, who face being ostracized or labeled as failures, and legally, it's a long, grueling process that can drag on for years. Besides, I still love my husband deeply, he's the father of my child and my partner in countless ways. My affairs aren't about betrayal or a lack of love, they're purely physical, a way to reclaim a piece of myself in a marriage that's left me feeling invisible for far too long. These experiences have opened the door to bold, electrifying moments that awaken a passionate, adventurous side of me, reminding me who I am beyond just being a wife and mother. They're a temporary escape, a chance to feel alive and desired again, but they don't change my commitment to my family.


The subject is all the more complicated because it involves a personal history that we don't know, as well as a different culture and/or religion, which can greatly alter the male/female relationship. It's hard to make a judgment in 30 seconds from a different country.



Otherwise, for my part, I find it very hot :devilish:



And thank you for your points of view, which we've had waiting for a few weeks! (y)
 

Dealbreaker

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Sorry, I won't hear her inner conflicts. We are our actions more than our thoughts.
Don't know what that is supposed to mean, especially if you project your inner thoughts on the actions of others. One of the few certain things we can say at the moment about Vivian is that she is conflicted.
 
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Honestly this thread puts me through the emotional ringer sometimes haha..... Sometimes It feels like I'm on a porn set with duke directing out his wildest fantasies , sometimes it feels like I'm sitting in on a couples therapy session haha and then sometimes it feels like we have all gone off the deep end and we all wear tin foil hats so the government can't figure out the sexual conspiracy theories that we discuss :ROFLMAO:
 

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Yes, I really like the story. At some points, it feels depressing when you empathize with Hutch. It happens for him all of a sudden. For Vivian, I believe there is more in the background so that things develop rather easily for her. Sorry, I won't hear her inner conflicts. We are our actions more than our thoughts. On the other hand, watching how Vivian enjoys that a strong, assertive man dominates her and satisfies her womanly needs is quite entertaining. Sometimes, all you need is a good rough bang-bang, which you have been craving for for years.




Escort analogy is oversimplification and I got the feeling I'm not understood well. When you truly love someone, you let him/her do things that make him/her happy. You share his/her happiness. Why would sex be any different? To be honest, I would let my husband enjoy the fruits of life as long as we remain loyal to our romantic/emotional commitment. I do understand and already said that it is really hard for many men and women to have this mind set. And my husband is no exception. Just imagine how much fun and adventure one could bring into his/her life, if adopted this perspective. For many, maybe I'm a cheating woman, but how many have listened to my side of the story? I'm not saying I am a saint and I would be the first to admit it.



My husband doesn't know about my affairs. He's never been open-minded, shutting down every attempt I made to connect or talk through our struggles. Marriage takes constant effort to thrive over a lifetime, you can't just pull away and expect it to work. I poured my heart into us for years, but exhaustion and loneliness eventually took over. Some might say, "Just leave him, then have your affairs." But it's not that simple when you're a mom with a kid who needs stability, a home you've built together, and a life intertwined after 15 years. In a country like Turkey, divorce is even harder. Culturally, it's stigmatized, especially for women, who face being ostracized or labeled as failures, and legally, it's a long, grueling process that can drag on for years. Besides, I still love my husband deeply, he's the father of my child and my partner in countless ways. My affairs aren't about betrayal or a lack of love, they're purely physical, a way to reclaim a piece of myself in a marriage that's left me feeling invisible for far too long. These experiences have opened the door to bold, electrifying moments that awaken a passionate, adventurous side of me, reminding me who I am beyond just being a wife and mother. They're a temporary escape, a chance to feel alive and desired again, but they don't change my commitment to my family.
I believe that a person cannot judge others, but I am 100% sure that none of the men present here would want to live with such a wife. There is a certain line, having crossed which a woman changes and all subsequent conversations about love and happiness are an excuse for her own whoredom. And after that, she will not change, she will cheat more and more until she gets caught, this can happen right away or maybe in years, but it will happen.
Well, and just the attitude towards her beloved husband of a wife who fucks with others, sucks them and then comes and looking with loving eyes kisses her husband on the lips. And do not forget - the most important thing is that the husband does not know, otherwise an understanding and loving husband will then throw his beloved wife out into the cold with her bare ass ...
And do not forget that an amorous lady from Turkey can with a high probability turn out to be a fat man over 40 from Pennsylvania ...
Well, these are just thoughts out loud ...
 
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