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LolAnd what is the difference then, she licked and sucked the balls of another man - why was it redone in the first place?
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LolAnd what is the difference then, she licked and sucked the balls of another man - why was it redone in the first place?
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Exactly and the talk before that was basically her telling Erik she did something bad and during the photoshoot she basically hinted very heavily that she wants to become a porn star and Erik will like it. Taking those couple of pics out was just absolutely pointless considering everything going on in the scene. It is a bit more expansive for that scene, just before Ari and Erik and at the end Erik just basically goes wild on Ari and says he's going to punish Vi in the same way. Which what Vi wants anyway. So there's really no incentive for her not to act on her own if she knows that later Erik will just dick her down like she wants. The punishment is actually a reward. I'm fine with all of that, but the pretense that this might be something other than what it is what drives me bananas with the discussion surrounding this game.
And what is the difference then, she licked and sucked the balls of another man - why was it redone in the first place?
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Edit: The topic of her having a boyfriend comes and she basically shrugs it off. She even says at one point, Vi doesn't exist anymore. Only the adult performer does. Something to that effect.
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This is the one point I think it's fine that CG tinkered with the plot. I'm ok with her blowing cock and even getting fucked without PRIOR conversation, as long as it's not out of losing control, and a few premises are met.
Another guy seducing the LI into having sex is textbook ntr, other guys should never score, ever. They're props. In their cocky minds they may imagine she's attracted to them, she may play with that to her advantage, but they must always learn the truth that they have absolutely no control over her and that she's 100% Erik's slut.
If Vi wants to have sex, let her be completely in control and not do it without a thought for Erik, but rather because she knows it could make him hard and that excites her. She could take the risk that he might not like it, but makes the call because she thinks he will. That's the extent to which I enjoy the LI having autonomy and not being simply a puppet following her bf's "command" - everything she does, she does it for him, her libido is focused on the effect she'll have on him and on what he'll do to her in return. Otherwise, it's a ntr story or, at best, free pass fuckery, very boring.
Not saying she shouldn't enjoy sex with others, just that she should never be triggered or compelled by being attracted to other guys, losing control to them. Rivals score = bad. Vi scores and rivals are her fuck toys = good, as long as Erik likes it when he later learns about it and reclaims Vi.
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I quite agree with the said points, but think that kinda the same should go for Erik (although lots of people will complain about harem or some shit in this case)
The reason why I'm even bringing this up is that at this point it looks like all the girls that are close with MC would just turn into sluts eventually. In that case he practically loses any intimate relationship and lives in complete debauchery.
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I don't mind that either. She's basically acting on her own with the assumption it will turn Erik on.
CG is flirting alot with her losing control during photoshoots though. The excitement of being watched and be the center of attention and an object of desire really seems to heighten her libido.
Is she still in control or has she given into desire? Playing that knives edge is good erotic writing and keeps everyone guessing. He just needs to keep that momentum going and never back peddle on anything.
That is scary that we are thinking almost the same, I just had a though with almost the same wording, lost brotha?
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I think asking any writer or dev to never change their mind or do rewrite is unrealistic. We all keep assuming that CG caved to pressure. But they could have just not liked the finished product or how it set up the next Chapters.
I agree on preferring the moments are from Vi being in control and that both her and Eric are doing things to mainly excite/egg on the other. I also agree that Bruce's shop and the porn angle flirt with her losing control which is one of my many dislikes for that whole story path. Because if the Dev has to walk a knife's edge, then at times they are going to walk it too far for their own taste and then, well they will rewrite/redo it because it is not a finished novel yet. For me the whole Bruce bit (If we just have to have it) would have been better off happening further down the line when Eric and Vi's sex life with others is already fully established. Aka after Vi's full sex with another guy in the core group.
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I agree that walking along the knife's edge can be erotic. It's important to distinguish between a finished game - where you know what you're going for, and can enjoy the tension knowing that it will ultimately resolve the way you like - and ongoing development. A finished game can have a lot of tension building, because the resolution is always in the story as well. With ongoing development and episode releases, I risk suggesting that unresolved tension can be more negative than positive.
A cliff-hanger flirting with ntr is enough to drive people away. Keeping it on, episode after episode, will make sure anybody whose support would depend on the final stakes, will never be on board, or jump ship at some point. A majority of those that remain would be those that support more extreme dynamics. If the story really were headed towards Vi finally caving into becoming a free use slut and making Erik a helpless cuckold, that trimming would just be natural selection, otherwise it sounds like keeping the mystery is high risk for low return.
I don't presume to give advise, it's just my personal opinion: while too many reassurances (such as "asking for permission" before doing anything) definitely become tiresome, keeping players in permanent doubt as to where the story will ultimately go could lose at least those who feel that supporting, investing time reading, and getting attached to characters is worth it, if in the future they can become completely unlikeable.
There seems to be a fine balance required, between teasing as far as you can, and assuring players that the compass is steady and the game isn't course correcting into where many won't go. Between avoiding spoilers, bringing up surprises, and letting people know where the game is going. I'm personally all in favour of the author writing exactly what comes out of their soul, and I've enjoyed this game entirely, as a kinetic story, up to the present. But if were ultimately planned to become a story about an MC letting go of any control over his relationship, so be it. Just let people know.
Having said that, I don't feel like a blowjob that wasn't given prior clearance to, meant the game was headed towards a whore gf, cuck bf dynamic. My humble 2 cents is that ending episodes in cliff-hangers of that sort is counterproductive. This entire comment is about ending episodes in such cliff-hangers. Let the flirting with losing control, which I agree can be erotic, happen in the middle of the episode - but let the situation be resolved in the same episode, one way or another. Tension and release.
Unless the plan is to really let rivals score at the expense of the mc. People who enjoy the tension when an episode ends in an ambiguous way, relative to the relationship between the main characters, are probably the same that will enjoy that. I bet most of those who enjoy teasing but not actual humiliation or emasculation of the mc will be annoyed if the game keeps signalling it might go there, even if that is not where it's ultimately headed.
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This makes a lot of sense.
A rival having any sexual or romantic sway over the LI at any moment of the game, is a deal breaker to me. It instantly makes her character fickle and unlovable. Heck, I prefer blackmail or any kind of coertion, even if some would scream "non-con". It feels less dark to me if the protagonists were dragged into an unwanted situation that they'll have to deal with, than the dynamics of their relationship being shaken by competition.
I prefer a strong, monogamous couple that other actors are orbiting around. Not a fan of harem or polyamorous relationships - though admittedly, I may have a tolerance for a female third leg that doesn't extend to a male third leg, at all. Still, I prefer a story focused on the dynamics of a couple pushing the boundaries of their monogamic relationship, with other arcs being casual.
Bro this wasn't a simple plot revision. It was unnecessarily taken out. She already had cock in hand licking it and sucking balls. It was just silly taking it out.
I'malso going to remind everyonethat Cedric dodwant to be there, because wasn'tgoong to get paid and it was Vi who convinced him to stay and she wasn'tbeing very innocent in her persuasions either. The Silver update has a lot of extra dialoguethat gives better context of her thought process.
Right and that's what I mean by keeping the momentum moving forward and following through. Eventually a character falls off the edge and either gives into desire or has a come to Jesus moment and I'm pretty sure Vi admitting she wants to become a porn star should tell us which direction this is headed towards.
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Would you agree that if there was no intention of making her fall, it's best to remove the scene altogether? Because if she vacillated, that would require following through - either she owned it, and Erik would have to bite the bullet, changing the feel of the game entirely, or she regretted it, which would also require some tough bit of writing to make their relationship absorb her hesitation. But it might be interesting.
Speaking for my own preference, the blowjob itself would be perfectly fine. It's the implication that she was losing control that would have made me dislike Vi. I admit, I like an MC that is in control, either by being dominant, or, much better, by enjoying an unbreakable trust with a FMC that is herself dominant, and won't lose control.
Fall + reconciliation is a theme I often bring up and never saw any kind of good reaction to. And the only way it would work for me is if the MC never doubts himself, or his gf's true feelings. Which puts him in a dominant position, but that's how it needs to be. If there's dread and gloom, might as well call it ntr.
You'll understand when you play the update. She wants this to happen.
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I think you mentioned it before, or someone else, she wants to do porn. The devil's in the details. Vi wants to do porn because it will make Erik go crazy (in a positive way) = good; Vi wants to do porn because it's in her slutty nature, regardless of Erik = bad. For a simple reason, it would take the agency away from him, story would be about him coping with Vi, like all those female protagonist ntr games where the bf is passively learning what he got himself into. And taking the cuckold's chair.
Hey, I'm not worried, sorry if it sounded like that. Also don't mean to be contentious. Just chatting.
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But I think what is being asked is what if the end result you stated of Vi becoming pretty much a free use slut is not the end goal or the dynamic the Dev is looking for? Would that not be reason to revise? Not saying that the revision properly address this, just food for though.
IMO I think it was primarily a placement issue. The Dev likely had no intention to fully animate that sequence of events or at the most it would come in Cha 7. VI's first non MC BJ is definitely a mile marker point that would warrant more attention. And showing it in one chapter but not actually addressing it fully in renders/animation until another Chapter...or not at all, was the no go.
You're cool. The update just expanded a lot on her thought process and that ending.
And sometimes I feel like CG says one thing and then when an update drops it almost contradicts that. Just my opinion anyway.
I understand what you're saying, but he'd have to revise a lot of the dialogue and I don't think she'll necessarily be a free use slut. Just have a healthy sexual appetite. If that makes sense.
About that, we can clearly read her thoughts on what is happening at time of photoshoot - "I'm not Vi, just a porntar.." and some similar phrases, that implies she is heading more into corruption zone where she doesn't do that for Erik anymore but only for herself. She also mentions, through the story, about strict father on diffenet ocasions and that with Eriks help she can do now what SHE wants more, then what Eriks desires are.(its a personal opinion but the hints are there). It's just convinient they think in the same way.
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