JarrenBlake

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You'll understand when you play the update. She wants this to happen.
But I think what is being asked is what if the end result you stated of Vi becoming pretty much a free use slut is not the end goal or the dynamic the Dev is looking for? Would that not be reason to revise? Not saying that the revision properly address this, just food for though.

IMO I think it was primarily a placement issue. The Dev likely had no intention to fully animate that sequence of events or at the most it would come in Cha 7. VI's first non MC BJ is definitely a mile marker point that would warrant more attention. And showing it in one chapter but not actually addressing it fully in renders/animation until another Chapter...or not at all, was the no go.
 

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I think you mentioned it before, or someone else, she wants to do porn. The devil's in the details. Vi wants to do porn because it will make Erik go crazy (in a positive way) = good; Vi wants to do porn because it's in her slutty nature, regardless of Erik = bad. For a simple reason, it would take the agency away from him, story would be about him coping with Vi, like all those female protagonist ntr games where the bf is passively learning what he got himself into. And taking the cuckold's chair.

Hey, I'm not worried, sorry if it sounded like that. Also don't mean to be contentious. Just chatting.
You're cool. The update just expanded a lot on her thought process and that ending.

And sometimes I feel like CG says one thing and then when an update drops it almost contradicts that. Just my opinion anyway.

But I think what is being asked is what if the end result you stated of Vi becoming pretty much a free use slut is not the end goal or the dynamic the Dev is looking for? Would that not be reason to revise? Not saying that the revision properly address this, just food for though.

IMO I think it was primarily a placement issue. The Dev likely had no intention to fully animate that sequence of events or at the most it would come in Cha 7. VI's first non MC BJ is definitely a mile marker point that would warrant more attention. And showing it in one chapter but not actually addressing it fully in renders/animation until another Chapter...or not at all, was the no go.
I understand what you're saying, but he'd have to revise a lot of the dialogue and I don't think she'll necessarily be a free use slut. Just have a healthy sexual appetite. If that makes sense.
 

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I think you mentioned it before, or someone else, she wants to do porn. The devil's in the details. Vi wants to do porn because it will make Erik go crazy (in a positive way) = good; Vi wants to do porn because it's in her slutty nature, regardless of Erik = bad.
But I think what is being asked is what if the end result you stated of Vi becoming pretty much a free use slut is not the end goal or the dynamic the Dev is looking for? Would that not be reason to revise? Not saying that the revision properly address this, just food for though.
About that, we can clearly read her thoughts on what is happening at time of photoshoot - "I'm not Vi, just a porntar.." and some similar phrases, that implies she is heading more into corruption zone where she doesn't do that for Erik anymore but only for herself. She also mentions, through the story, about strict father on diffenet ocasions and that with Eriks help she can do now what SHE wants more, then what Eriks desires are.(its a personal opinion but the hints are there). It's just convinient they think in the same way.
 
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About that, we can clearly read her thoughts on what is happening at time of photoshoot - "I'm not Vi, just a porntar.." and some similar phrases, that implies she is heading more into corruption zone where she doesen't do that for Erik anymore but only for herself. She also mentions, through the story, about strict father on diffenet ocasions and that with Eriks help she can do now what SHE wants more then what Eriks desires are.(its a personal opinion but the hints are there). It's just convinient they think in the same way.
Yeah her inner dialogue is friggin wild. I love it.
 
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This is the one point I think it's fine that CG tinkered with the plot. I'm ok with her blowing cock and even getting fucked without PRIOR conversation, as long as it's not out of losing control, and a few premises are met.

Another guy seducing the LI into having sex is textbook ntr, other guys should never score, ever. They're props. In their cocky minds they may imagine she's attracted to them, she may play with that to her advantage, but they must always learn the truth that they have absolutely no control over her and that she's 100% Erik's slut.

If Vi wants to have sex, let her be completely in control and not do it without a thought for Erik, but rather because she knows it could make him hard and that excites her. She could take the risk that he might not like it, but makes the call because she thinks he will. That's the extent to which I enjoy the LI having autonomy and not being simply a puppet following her bf's "command" - everything she does, she does it for him, her libido is focused on the effect she'll have on him and on what he'll do to her in return. Otherwise, it's a ntr story or, at best, free pass fuckery, very boring.

Not saying she shouldn't enjoy sex with others, just that she should never be triggered or compelled by being attracted to other guys, losing control to them. Rivals score = bad. Vi scores and rivals are her fuck toys = good, as long as Erik likes it when he later learns about it and reclaims Vi.
This is a pretty weird rant. Basically getting that everything sexual Vi does needs to have what Eric would want forefront in the top of her mind. She can derive pleasure from sex with other men but only if Eric gets pleasure from the act of her having sex too.

A couple of words about this spring to mind, the first is misogyny and the second is just the word dumb. Violet is her own character and can have her own thoughts and desires. She can still love Eric and act on her own sexual desires just like he does with other women.
 

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This is a pretty weird rant. Basically getting that everything sexual Vi does needs to have what Eric would want forefront in the top of her mind. She can derive pleasure from sex with other men but only if Eric gets pleasure from the act of her having sex too.
Wtf, talk about a weird rant. All I said was that I prefer a monogamous couple with a deviant side, to polyamory. Free pass equals no tension, is all I'm saying. If Vi goes about fucking every other guy because she desires it, and Erik does the same, while they may say they're still in a relationship - are they, really? What are they to each other, more than perhaps "good friends" and just another occasional fuck? The whole erotic "charge" of a scene between a LI and another guy is in flirting with adultery, assumptions of proper behaviour, etc. If it's free pass for everyone, it just doesn't do much for me. Yes, again, I prefer devious monogamy to "wholesome" polyamory.

Also prefer that fantasy relationships be perfect in that partners share everything, no barred doors. Want a confession? Locked doors make me feel insecure, because I know what insufficient communication can do to a relationship. A love interest who compartmentalizes a part of her own desires and pursues them independently of the main character makes me feel existential anguish. As in, the day we fucking die, whatever was never shared or given, is a void of loneliness. Don't think I suffer from a rare condition, a majority of games that focus on sharing, not NTR, just take this perfect couple fantasy for granted. But enough philosophy,
A couple of words about this spring to mind, the first is misogyny and the second is just the word dumb. Violet is her own character and can have her own thoughts and desires. She can still love Eric and act on her own sexual desires just like he does with other women.
go call yourself dumb in the mirror.

I literally said I enjoy that the FMC has autonomy. My preference is that it be so, in a context where no desires or fantasies are kept away between partners. Nothing about limiting Vi's sexual desires, just a preference for their relationship to be one where Erik is first, foremost and ever-present (figuratively) as a part of herself, where no other man (or situation) would make her forget it, AND VICE VERSA. If this is suffocating, then just endorse that monogamy is suffocating.

To dwell on this further is taking the conversation into generic territory. I like generic banter, and philosophy and whatnot, just maybe not on this thread. Also don't want to sound like advocating for this game to conform to my preferences, as repeating oneself many times over might seem like.

Small add: if the game perchance went by an argument similar to Erik and Vi being swept away by their desires, out of their control, that would still work for me as long as any drama were episodical and "resolved" quickly, and each episode found them getting closer to each other. Soppy romance, I know, but still salvageable logic, with the alternative being that they eventually would break apart. Someone a while ago mentioned their relationship isn't sensible, or goes against the odds, given what they both are. If that were the case, they could either keep up with each other's antics and find themselves drawn closer along the way (soppy romance) or, at some point, snap away entirely (ntr).
 
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Wtf, talk about a weird rant. All I said was that I prefer a monogamous couple with a deviant side, to polyamory. Free pass equals no tension, is all I'm saying. If Vi goes about fucking every other guy because she desires it, and Erik does the same, while they may say they're still in a relationship - are they, really? What are they to each other, more than perhaps "good friends" and just another occasional fuck? The whole erotic "charge" of a scene between a LI and another guy is in flirting with adultery, assumptions of proper behaviour, etc. If it's free pass for everyone, it just doesn't do much for me. Yes, again, I prefer devious monogamy to "wholesome" polyamory.

Also prefer that fantasy relationships be perfect in that partners share everything, no barred doors. Want a confession? Locked doors make me feel insecure, because I know what insufficient communication can do to a relationship. A love interest who compartmentalizes a part of her own desires and pursues them independently of the main character makes me feel existential anguish. As in, the day we fucking die, whatever was never shared or given, is a void of loneliness. Don't think I suffer from a rare condition, a majority of games that focus on sharing, not NTR, just take this perfect couple fantasy for granted. But enough philosophy,

go call yourself dumb in the mirror.

I literally said I enjoy that the FMC has autonomy. My preference is that it be so, in a context where no desires or fantasies are kept away between partners. Nothing about limiting Vi's sexual desires, just a preference for their relationship to be one where Erik is first, foremost and ever-present (figuratively) as a part of herself, where no other man (or situation) would make her forget it, AND VICE VERSA. If this is suffocating, then just endorse that monogamy is suffocating.

To dwell on this further is taking the conversation into generic territory. I like generic banter, and philosophy and whatnot, just maybe not on this thread. Also don't want to sound like advocating for this game to conform to my preferences, as repeating oneself many times over might seem like.

Small add: if the game perchance went by an argument similar to Erik and Vi being swept away by their desires, out of their control, that would still work for me as long as any drama were episodical and "resolved" quickly, and each episode found them getting closer to each other. Soppy romance, I know, but still salvageable logic, with the alternative being that they eventually would break apart. Someone a while ago mentioned their relationship isn't sensible, or goes against the odds, given what they both are. If that were the case, they could either keep up with each other's antics and find themselves drawn closer along the way (soppy romance) or, at some point, snap away entirely (ntr).
Your preference coincides with what the game is going for, so it caught us all off guard in chapter 6. You're totally right though, the other guys preferences contradict what the game has shown us and quite frankly it's a pretty generic and would make the game be closer to generic territory and not in the good way, more so the "I've seen this before" kind of way and cause boredom.
 

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Wtf, talk about a weird rant. All I said was that I prefer a monogamous couple with a deviant side, to polyamory. Free pass equals no tension, is all I'm saying. If Vi goes about fucking every other guy because she desires it, and Erik does the same, while they may say they're still in a relationship - are they, really? What are they to each other, more than perhaps "good friends" and just another occasional fuck? The whole erotic "charge" of a scene between a LI and another guy is in flirting with adultery, assumptions of proper behaviour, etc. If it's free pass for everyone, it just doesn't do much for me. Yes, again, I prefer devious monogamy to "wholesome" polyamory.

Also prefer that fantasy relationships be perfect in that partners share everything, no barred doors. Want a confession? Locked doors make me feel insecure, because I know what insufficient communication can do to a relationship. A love interest who compartmentalizes a part of her own desires and pursues them independently of the main character makes me feel existential anguish. As in, the day we fucking die, whatever was never shared or given, is a void of loneliness. Don't think I suffer from a rare condition, a majority of games that focus on sharing, not NTR, just take this perfect couple fantasy for granted. But enough philosophy,

go call yourself dumb in the mirror.

I literally said I enjoy that the FMC has autonomy. My preference is that it be so, in a context where no desires or fantasies are kept away between partners. Nothing about limiting Vi's sexual desires, just a preference for their relationship to be one where Erik is first, foremost and ever-present (figuratively) as a part of herself, where no other man (or situation) would make her forget it, AND VICE VERSA. If this is suffocating, then just endorse that monogamy is suffocating.

To dwell on this further is taking the conversation into generic territory. I like generic banter, and philosophy and whatnot, just maybe not on this thread. Also don't want to sound like advocating for this game to conform to my preferences, as repeating oneself many times over might seem like.

Small add: if the game perchance went by an argument similar to Erik and Vi being swept away by their desires, out of their control, that would still work for me as long as any drama were episodical and "resolved" quickly, and each episode found them getting closer to each other. Soppy romance, I know, but still salvageable logic, with the alternative being that they eventually would break apart. Someone a while ago mentioned their relationship isn't sensible, or goes against the odds, given what they both are. If that were the case, they could either keep up with each other's antics and find themselves drawn closer along the way (soppy romance) or, at some point, snap away entirely (ntr).
All good dude. I appreciate your take. I agree and disagree with some of your points but that is always the way of it. I do still hold that this novel is headed for a point where it will have to 'pick a lane' as it were. Not saying the Dev will have to put it in a box, but some of the concepts and insinuations are wildly divergent. I feel we do not really know the characters or their relationships all that well at this point. Once those things become clear, people will start making more informed decisions on what they are consuming.
 
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About that, we can clearly read her thoughts on what is happening at time of photoshoot - "I'm not Vi, just a porntar.." and some similar phrases, that implies she is heading more into corruption zone where she doesn't do that for Erik anymore but only for herself. She also mentions, through the story, about strict father on diffenet ocasions and that with Eriks help she can do now what SHE wants more, then what Eriks desires are.(its a personal opinion but the hints are there). It's just convinient they think in the same way.
Maybe. But she also has a lot of inner monologue about doing it for Eric and him being the most important person an so on. So as I keep stating, both elements are there and eventually this thing is going to have to pick a lane. What wins out. But for some even the interplay of it as this overcoming corruption arc is likely not for them. So would be good for those folks to know. Or, if there is no real corruption planned...would not that group want to know.
 

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Unlike other NTR/NTS game developers, I find CircleGames' approach difficult to understand.

Developers in this genre usually make it very clear what kind of game they are creating and who it's for. However, when you play this one, you get the feeling that the developer himself hasn't yet decided which path he wants to take.

The game doesn't offer a route selection like some others, where you can choose an NTR, NTS, Vanilla, or Revenge path. As I understand it, CircleGames doesn't plan to add this kind of variability to the game later on. Because of this, he shouldn't try to sit on two chairs at once. If he decides on a direction for his story from the beginning, he should stick to it.

Some might claim that CircleGames is making a game in the NTS genre. After all, it is advertised as one on the game's main page, and even people who helped with the development have said the same thing. Yes, that's true, but people's doubts didn't come from nowhere; they have genuine reasons for feeling this way.

The game has been in development for over a year, and during that time, it's possible CircleGames decided to "slightly" deviate from his original path. Well, as the saying goes, "your game, your rules." He has the right to create the game he wants, and no one is disputing that. However, if he has decided to change the game's genre, he should make it clear to everyone!

I am fully aware that this would cause a wave of discontent, but it would be the right thing to do. All those who have been supporting the game on Patreon specifically for its NTS nature would be, to put it mildly, disappointed. But I believe they are strong enough to weather this blow. After all, there are people who supported games on Patreon for years, only for them to be abandoned without even a small update. If they managed to survive that, then I'm sure NTS fans can handle this, too. I believe in you all!
 

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Since most people don't have access to the patreon posts or are not involved with the discord. We don't know when it will be released for public. Give them a date or something so they can be a bit hopeful.
 
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