Crushonius

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Jun 24, 2018
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So this update took how long 4 months almost and we only get 1 sort of good ending and thats with molly
he basically just settles for her even though there was a lot of other girls .
I am totally fine with no Nikki ending however totally ignoring every love interest other than molly
is just a joke and feels very lazy , one could even say doing only one good ending is literally the bare minimum .

This was never a 5 star game but a couple updates ago it looked like its going to be a solid 4 star game ,
however when you only make a half assed ending you do ruin the game as a whole .
Remember Game of Thrones it was an amazing tv show until they ruined the last two seasons and now its almost forgotten
and the ending is hated by the majority , well a lot of people feel the same way about this game .

For me it was a 4 star game up to 0.12 or so when I found out about Nikki being out of the picture
I was ok with it but playing the game even up to the very end it felt like she was the main love interest .
If I didnt read the forum I would have been shocked I mean its in the bloody title of the game .
That brought the game down for me to 3 maybe 3.5 stars because there were still other girls that I liked .
And then this update dropped and well its molly take it or leave it and to get her you basically have to ignore everyone.
Well rushed ruined ending for me means 1 star off so its a 2 to 2.5 star game .
This is one of those times when the story would have been way WAY better if there was an open ending / no ending.

To sum it up yes at times its very entertaining but the ending is a huge let down
 

Holy Bacchus

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Dec 13, 2018
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No walkthrough needed after 014. The choices do not really matter or are so obvious bad if you want the happy Molly ending. :p
This VN doesn't need a walkthrough for any part of it because ultimately the only thing that matters is if you agree to be in a relationship with Molly and if you do, if you have sex with anyone after that point. Everything else is a false choice because it doesn't have much of an impact on the main character and only serves to provide different scenes. This VN is basically summed up by the Merovingian, "Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without."
 

Siphon

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Aug 18, 2016
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I like how everyone but Molly freely has multiple sexual partners, but if you get 'found out' for having multiple ones you get foreveralone'd. The writer basically threw away all logic just to force people to end the game the way he wanted to (in a vanilla relationship with Molly). Some good renders, but dude is just a bad writer.
 

Irgendwie Irgendwo

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Jun 30, 2018
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I agree but these days the dev's pamper to Patrons wishes and could easily have been added as an option.
Colour me surprised, all this time I thought that this website is F95 Zone. Turns out we have been on Patreon all the time. In general, what patrons want does count diddly squat here.

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For a wider point of view, the amount of complaints I've read about this game blows away all common sense.

- "The title is wrong." Ahm, really? There is a sister and she's your roommate. Who brings you out of your introvert shell. That's it.

- "People may have missed the fact that Tales and Nikki won't end up together." Hell, about half of Avaron's 7800 posts may be in this thread explaining to people that there is no ending for them. Gotta admire her tenacity over two years though.

- "There should have been an ending for characters X, Y and Z." And Sumo explained to all of you in detail why that would not have made sense.

- "The ending of the game is rushed like <other game A>." Which is not even finished yet, but recently received an update for a detailed first end of four.

- "The ending of the game is rushed like <other game B>." Which recently left us on the highest of highs that you can achieve with a myriad of variations how it could end for every possible character.

- "I don't like being shoehorned into a choice like in <(in)famous game C>." Which, despite said choice has 21 different endings.

That leaves me with two assumptions. Either people fail to read the forum and / or grasp what is written there, or Jesus also sprinkled some "Christmas Snow" in your area.
 

Alfius

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Sep 30, 2017
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Yeah strange that as mine another 3 star review was so called an inappropriate review yesterday and got removed and not once was I using bad language or being abusive towards anyone or the dev! All I said was how I feel about the game!! Clearly some people have friends in high places
Try engaging with the Mod that removed your review via PM. I had mine removed twice in the past (On a different game) and had a decent conversation with the mod that removed it find out the reason. Read the Review rules might give you a clue.

Be respectful when doing this and you can get far...Good luck
 

Mr.Mister

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Game Developer
Jan 2, 2019
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'Cause I've got friends in low places
Where the whiskey drowns
And the beer chases my blues away
And I'll be okay
I'm not big on social graces
Think I'll slip on down to the oasis
Oh, I've got friends in low places
 

Goblin Baily: DILF

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Sep 29, 2017
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The ending was foreshadowed from the start and it wasn't just a quickly rushed thing...
1) Molly was the only girl Tales was ever bonding with.
2) Tally ( that's Tales and Molly contracted) were called vanilla by Nikki , and we got a vanilla ending( although them fucking in every possible place doesn't sound vanilla)
 

Tsunami23

Newbie
Jan 29, 2018
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The game started very promising but at the end it was a true disappointment.
Like many others say the ending was rushed and a true happy ending doesn´t even exist.
As far as i know i only had the endings with Molly and being alone and i think these are the two only options you can have.
Even if the game had one secret ending (which doesn´t exist), i wouldn´t start to play it again.
 

Burt Reynolds Mustache

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Jul 19, 2017
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Putting aside any "you fucking suck!" style messages, the general reaction is that the dev is a good story teller but becomes a slave to their vision regardless of if it matches what they've actually been making.

We absolutely do want Devs like Sumo around to continue making games. Even with the ending, Sumo and the game continue to get solid thoughts on it. What saddens me is that all the "yeah but..." comments are being either ignored or the problems are being thrown back on the players for being demanding, entitled, or it's the player's fault for wanting something that wasn't the dev's vision.

A creator must either stick to their vision and make sure everything leading up to the ending fits that vision, or accept that the characters are running away from them and adapt the vision. Note that I said adapt. Rowling messed this up at the end of the Harry Potter series by force Hermione and Ron together because it was her original vision even though it didn't fit how her characters had evolved up to that point. She accepts this and admitted to it.

Sumo's writing of Tales and Nikki was too good. The players got invested in seeing them as a couple or at least having their own happy endings that fit with their personalities.

From what I've seen, Sumo's public attitude is and always has been (I don't know the dev's thoughts) that it's the ungrateful players who are at fault for the TalesxNikki feels rather than just how good he wrote them together. To put it another way; it's the Star Wars fans fault for backlash when they hated the idea of a Luke Skywalker who risked his life to save his father, the most infamous Jedi Killer in recent history and the Emporer's right-hand man, trying to kill his young nephew and then running away rather than trying to help the immature Ben.

I would love for more Sumo games. What I would hate is that Sumo doesn't learn from this and understand that if a vision is the ultimate goal then everything before that must match the imagined ending or else the ending must adapt to what's come before. And the last option CAN be done without losing the vision.
OK, just want to say that outside of the second to last paragraph, which knowing Sumo I don't think is fair at all to him, the rest of the post is quite brilliant. That second to last paragraph is just a misreading the guy. It's not my place to put words in his mouth, though I understand how that impression can come across.
 
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geenius3ab

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Sep 2, 2017
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I really hoped that there would be more endings to this game than the "all or nothing" while it honestly seemed to be screaming at me "Multiple endings for different characters".
I just skipped through the dialogue for characters I didn't care about, but when trying out different options and choices for a while I discovered that it's just a choice between getting together with Molly, or not getting together with her. I was genuinely hoping for different options for different characters, but that was unfortunately not the case.

I think the game itself wasn't too bad, the scenes were hot, there was a good amount of variety, simply there was a ton of potential which was cut short.

Tbh I was really looking for a way to get mom on the board, played it through by skipping like 4-5 times by trying out different options. Was kind of disappointed to find that I couldn't even get a proper Nikki path while going through this. I guess that's how the cookie crumbles.
 

RottenPlum

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Jun 17, 2017
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I saw there is Sollain scene in this last update, but didn't get it. Anyone can upload save to see this scene?
 

Alli72

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Mar 2, 2019
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To everyone who is slamming people for being critical of this VN, I have a simple old saying to relay to you and the dev "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen". When you are doing something creative like writing, art, making a game, etc., there will always be critics and those critics are entitled to their opinion. Very rarely do two people share the same exact view of a creative enterprise. Tom Clancy was turned down over three hundred times trying to get a book published. You take the criticism, use it how it can best benefit you (motivation or creative inspiration) and move forward.
 

ImperialD

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Oct 24, 2019
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great story , great art ,, only 1 problem i have with this ,, is only lonely ending and molly .... theres alot of girls in this and i can only have molly ??? ... other than that (y)(y)(y)
 
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