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Well back to try this again after 6 month and going to see if the statement on the op is correct.

lots and lots of hot, steamy sex!
 

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I already explained why it could make sense for them to artificially delay. So they don't lose a portion of their audience.
I agree that it sucks, but you can see it from their perspective.
However, it's not an artificial delay, is the point I'm making here.
It's simply a balancing act.
Lots of assumptions here (by both sides). Many games on this site, when it comes to the 'main' target, have only ONE vaginal/penetration scene planned. Those games tend to tease for update after update, probably following the "stairway to heaven" pattern (and occasionally adding new steps or going backwards), because there is no plan for how to develop a story beyond said scene. I can see how those type games HAVE to artificially delay the scene because wham-bam, thank you patron, game over.

In the case of THIS game, I see how some will say it FEELS that way because the character that appears to be the main target (not mine, for the record. Laura FTW) raced out to a lead, and has now been left behind (mostly, with a couple wing-chick scenes). Even though a player could start the game NOW, and get most of the scenes within 60-ish game days, most saves are a little longer than that (I've seen some mention 300). Which means that character has been back-burner for NEW content for some months.

I think when taken in the intended perspective, both sides have good points.

Now for this update - I liked the card/item mechanic change. And I liked the new events. I'd still like to see the forest split into 3 areas (Cave, Well, and "Chance"), since it seems a little silly the MC doesn't remember where the known points are, but that's probably a future update when there's more to do at each location...
 
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And once again without knowing what each one of the cards do for you how in the hell do you choose.

Will wait till someone makes a walkthrough for this game about at least the start with the stupid cards you must choose to move forward.

So off to the trash can it goes again.
 

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99.9% of people dont know this about Unity well its not Unity the Dev did not programmed saves to go to appdata I never had this issue with Flirty F, School love and friends, Time Stamps, House Party, Noemi's Toscana Rebirth, The Twist,
World after War and the renders on that game are absolutely terrible just to name a few on my M.2
Luckily, Faerin does NOT do that. One of the things that I absolutely despise about Ren'Py is that is fills my C: with saves, when I want my games on another drive.
Well, the blackmail was a mean streak, but she wasn't entirely wrong. Plus, the Mr Mowo game is a lot of fun. Certainly worth a dollar or two.
What we now have to wonder is how many times they both did that, and how far it went back then... Does this mean that Amber spent years putting his dick in her mouth? Even before the mist started affecting them?
 
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And once again without knowing what each one of the cards do for you how in the hell do you choose.

Will wait till someone makes a walkthrough for this game about at least the start with the stupid cards you must choose to move forward.

So off to the trash can it goes again.
Why don't you know what the cards do? They say when you click on them.

There is also a guide for them. The updated ones were posted right after the update went live.
 

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And once again without knowing what each one of the cards do for you how in the hell do you choose.

Will wait till someone makes a walkthrough for this game about at least the start with the stupid cards you must choose to move forward.

So off to the trash can it goes again.
What? You just move the mouse over the card and it displays what it does.
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Lots of assumptions here (by both sides). Many games on this site, when it comes to the 'main' target, have only ONE vaginal/penetration scene planned. Those games tend to tease for update after update, probably following the "stairway to heaven" pattern (and occasionally adding new steps or going backwards), because there is no plan for how to develop a story beyond said scene. I can see how those type games HAVE to artificially delay the scene because wham-bam, thank you patron, game over.
First: I am biased, because I am very fond of the stairway to heaven technique - not followed by the letter but as a general rule of progress.

Because for me, progress matters - a lot. I don't want to inser P into V on the very first scene. And I actually have the experience that we seem to share: many games lose their focus once the "will they or won't they" tension gets resolved. Case in point: Dating my Daughter, where in the third chapter the whole "dating your daughter" gets in the way of the story progressing, because it all is "been there, done that".

However, I still think that the assumption that many devs hold out for "strategic reasons" is a bold one. At least I haven't experienced any game where it felt like that. Not every time the main focus (which I could be wrong upon who it is) does not jump your bones does mean "delay" to me, it means taking it at a more realistic and - for me - more rewarding pace.
 

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What we now have to wonder is how many times they both did that, and how far it went back then... Does this mean that Amber spent years putting his dick in her mouth? Even before the mist started affecting them?
Obviously a lot of times - and daddy knew. However, it does not necessarily mean putting his dick in her mouth in my opinion, it could be just plain admiration even though that would not be much of a game - but they were young, they didn't know any better. Either way, Amber and Riley most likely start the game pretty corrupted.
 
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However, I still think that the assumption that many devs hold out for "strategic reasons" is a bold one. At least I haven't experienced any game where it felt like that. Not every time the main focus (which I could be wrong upon who it is) does not jump your bones does [NOT] mean "delay" to me, it means taking it at a more realistic and - for me - more rewarding pace.
I'm assuming you left out the word "NOT" in your statement above, and I actually agree with that. In the case of this game, I was just pointing out how some people may see it with the way the content has been juggled.

Also, remember there are currently seven prospective partners in this game. Do they all have to progress at the same rate? If so, why? Sometimes in games (and IRL, for that matter), people just have sex. It happens. It doesn't mean other relationships CAN'T proceed, or that the sex-relationship has to end there with the character you DID have sex with.

I cannot comment on DmD, I never played it due to the FC looking underage. Felt Cringy. But consider Midnight Paradise (if you've played it). Adults just don't act like that. The no-sex-with-anyone (until a recent update) feels forced, and the dev has admitted sex is an endgame.

I DON'T think Faerin is going that direction with this game (or at least, I hope not). Plenty of opportunity, and the mood is set with at least three of the characters that aren't in the opening car-ride, so no taboo there to break.
 

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I'm assuming you left out the word "NOT" in your statement above, and I actually agree with that. In the case of this game, I was just pointing out how some people may see it with the way the content has been juggled.

Also, remember there are currently seven prospective partners in this game. Do they all have to progress at the same rate? If so, why? Sometimes in games (and IRL, for that matter), people just have sex. It happens. It doesn't mean other relationships CAN'T proceed, or that the sex-relationship has to end there with the character you DID have sex with.

I cannot comment on DmD, I never played it due to the FC looking underage. Felt Cringy. But consider Midnight Paradise (if you've played it). Adults just don't act like that. The no-sex-with-anyone (until a recent update) feels forced, and the dev has admitted sex is an endgame.

I DON'T think Faerin is going that direction with this game (or at least, I hope not). Plenty of opportunity, and the mood is set with at least three of the characters that aren't in the opening car-ride, so no taboo there to break.
Actually I think the "NOT" is not needed (I have the "not" starting the sentence for that), but that is a grammar issue that shouldn't disturb us since it seems we're on the same page in regards to what we're talking about. And I started to look into Midnight Paradise but never really played it, so cannot comment on it.

When I talk about "same pace" I don't mean the in-game ramifications but the technical stuff. Referring back to the "Stairway to Heaven", all should be at step 5 at the same time, even though it may mean kinky sex for one character and holding hands for another (actually, since they don't all have to have the same number of steps, it doesn't have to hold true exactly like that, but I thing you get the gist). Because "people just have sex" as you correctly pointed out. But some people on the other hand just don't "have sex" like that.

Back from the technical part to the story: Thing here for me is, just because it is realistic, it does not mean it would be rewarding. Add to that that among the now 7 possible LIs, I don't see any which would be bedding the MC in the framework of some progress oriented storyline as of now. Incest would be right out, childhood friend Riley as well. Laura to me does not seem like the type for it. Leaves Kay, Hana, Annika, which could be argued to me, but I still don't see them as having to go "all in" right now. (We have to disregard the effects of the mist for this discussion methinks, since it'd cancel some stuff out). I can see them going there - but the character does not scream "I will have to". So while some stuff could have happened by now, I don't feel like the "no sex" feels forced. Yes, adults may have sex, however there is no force of nature commiting them to have sex with the "best option available" every so often.
 

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OK lets get the blowjobs out the way for everyone else so you can move on to the next kindergarten sex step, smh devs make me sick
 

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After finding out you had to click on the card to find out what it does I started to play this game.

Get to here and the game crashes on me. Untitled.jpg just as the cop shows up.
 

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Loving this game, but not for the sex. Its a really good management game, like really good. But, I have some issues.

The transition screens are KILLERS. I wouldnt ever play again if I couldnt just hold down ctrl to make everything go faster. The sound of the guests satisfaction going up on the bar is just horrendous. And the screens for deciding what the MC is going to do are really superfluous. There should be a section on the planning screen for the MC with his 4 options, and if hes set to 'do nothing' then the next screen should be skipped. I also wish there was a way to remove all staff from all jobs with one click. And, I wish I knew how much energy each staff member had, not just what they'll be at after doing whatever action. And, I already find Riley to be the most useless most times, and then we get Annika, who shares two of her jobs! I know we need them both in the case of guests wanting sauna and gym simultaneously , but I wish she did one or the other and not both. Also Im sick of miss 4 star 70% satisfaction demand chicky.

The thing that upset me the most, and prompted this post, however, was Rileys blackmail. Im sorry but thats hella wrong. First, youre fired for leaving anyone with a weight bar on their chest when they are tired and cant press it anymore. Thats lawsuit material. Second, youre fired for trying to blackmail your boss on a suspicion. Third, go ahead and try telling Amber and Julia, pretty sure they would both be more appalled at the blackmail/extortion youre doing then MCs sneaking a peek, given what has already transpired between the MC and them. And Fourth, you already make too much money for what youre capable of doing. Im not sure if in some future scenarios she goes back to not wanting double pay, but Ill never find out because after reloading a save Im never going to take her story any further.

That all being said I do really like this game, although truth be told the repetitiveness is getting me down a bit now, I can have fun in small doses but dont find myself wanting to run more than about a week at a time.
 

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Really enjoying the game! Great management style and images are great!

Quick question- Is there a point to the guest interaction? I have found out info from the old academic guy but nothing else? or am i just missing it?
 

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One of the only few games on Unity worth playing tbh, I didn't think I'd like a management type game but this is actually good I probably be open to more management type games after this.
Dev's are getting better with Unity just look at the game Raft and Valheim on Steam both made with Unity and both are great games to play. They are not porn or sex game but they are great to play.
 

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Actually I think the "NOT" is not needed (I have the "not" starting the sentence for that), but that is a grammar issue that shouldn't disturb us since it seems we're on the same page in regards to what we're talking about. And I started to look into Midnight Paradise but never really played it, so cannot comment on it.

When I talk about "same pace" I don't mean the in-game ramifications but the technical stuff. Referring back to the "Stairway to Heaven", all should be at step 5 at the same time, even though it may mean kinky sex for one character and holding hands for another (actually, since they don't all have to have the same number of steps, it doesn't have to hold true exactly like that, but I thing you get the gist). Because "people just have sex" as you correctly pointed out. But some people on the other hand just don't "have sex" like that.

Back from the technical part to the story: Thing here for me is, just because it is realistic, it does not mean it would be rewarding. Add to that that among the now 7 possible LIs, I don't see any which would be bedding the MC in the framework of some progress oriented storyline as of now. Incest would be right out, childhood friend Riley as well. Laura to me does not seem like the type for it. Leaves Kay, Hana, Annika, which could be argued to me, but I still don't see them as having to go "all in" right now. (We have to disregard the effects of the mist for this discussion methinks, since it'd cancel some stuff out). I can see them going there - but the character does not scream "I will have to". So while some stuff could have happened by now, I don't feel like the "no sex" feels forced. Yes, adults may have sex, however there is no force of nature commiting them to have sex with the "best option available" every so often.
There's still a good percentage of people on here who are less enthused about the actual story in games and would rather just skip straight to the sex scenes. I've seen that myself, and I'm pretty sure Devs know that in their minds themselves. Whether they want to admit it or not there's always the question of "If I throw my whole bag at my consumers at once, and give them what that want to see too soon, what's stopping them from moving on to the next project?". At least that would be my thought process. The otherside of that is that your story should be compelling enough or interesting enough in the first place, whereas you don't have to rely heavily on just your sex content.
I think devs tell themselves this when it's not true. Milfy City being a prime example of a game with plenty of mom sex scenes, yet has a rabid fan base so desperate for more content they've been waiting for over a year for an update.

If a game loses its audience after the mom sex scene, it's because it's a bad game that had nothing else going for it. Not because of something as ridiculous as a bad audience.

If anything, Devs should respect that artificially drawing the mom sex scene out can ruin a game. No More Secrets being a prime example of the dev fucking up the timing so bad that the eventual scene was this unclimactic, tawdry, out of the blue affair. Missing entirely the perfect scene at the hotel several updates prior, which he had ended with some bullshit blueballing. I'm also fairly certain the dev's passion for his project had died out by the time he finally crammed the scene into the game while rushing towards the end of his project. Which raises its own concerns about Devs delaying.

I actually suspect Midnight Paradise might be the next example of a game that has artificially delayed the mom scene for too long. Hopefully the scene will be able to justify the wait, but I sincerely doubt it.
I agree with the No More Secrets part. The Milf City example is a whole other scenario to me. For one Linda is a pervert who's obsessed with Mc and wanted any second to jump his bones, this isn't the case with this game. One would think in any game where the son is trying to corrupt a Mom that some time and effort might need to go in that process, how much time? Not for me to say. As far as Midnight Paradise goes, we already got Joyce to the pint where she's bold enough to give Mc a blowjob outside of her husband's study, in the hallway where anyone could've seen them, so after that I doubt Dr. Sin is gonna troll his fanbase too much longer.
 
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How to increase stats in study room? I assigned Annika and yet she doesn't learn anything(all are level 4 except for Yoga)
 

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If you've ever played MotH in the past, then this is no different. Same setup as before.. There are no centralized locations for your saves as this has caused issues in the past for Faerin (long before I joined his team) when he's tried that method for saves. So that means with each update, you have to copy your "profile" folder from an earlier version into the latest update's folder in order to continue. That's pretty much common knowledge that could have easily been learned using the search function. ;)
I basically copied the new game data to the old one and replaced all the files. It didn't overwrite my saves, just the game files.
 
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