PyoT

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She's kinda a weird case to me. Her story is probably the most interesting out of the main bunch of characters; if for no other reason than it's sorta the inverse of what porn usually does: take some shy girl and "corrupt" her. Instead you got a promiscuous character who decides to change her ways (a bit). You even specifically get a scene about her dressing more conservatively ...

At the same time the entire thing is a bit cringe with that whole "oh now only the player character can really satisfy me"-shtick; the impression of the story reinforced by how (almost) all other male characters in the game are shown as disgusting and awful. Only the hero is a good guy, and as mentioned previously, by any reasonably standard he's ready to commit sex crimes regularly and with no hesitation at all ^^;
 

TheDevian

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Nah but it's, like, different if your a dude you know? Like, see, locks and keys and all that other dumb shit you feel? I'm tellin you, it's just different for guys for whatever reason yeah /s
That is just a matter of perspective, after all, guys can be locks, and women can be keys if they have the right toys. It's just how you look at it that is different. :p

But Velle doesn't have a choice, she is like a succubus, she feeds on sexual energy or she will starve to death (same with the other girls who work there), and like I said, as soon as she gets into a relationship with the MC, she stops that life. She was also into femdom before the MC, and drops that as soon as she finds out that you are a willing partner, and starts to treat you like an equal, using her powers for your entertainment, as opposed to hers.
 
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Zelva

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But Velle doesn't have a choice, she is like a succubus, she feeds on sexual energy or she will starve to death (same with the other girls who work there), and like I said, as soon as she gets into a relationship with the MC, she stops that life. She was also into femdom before the MC, and drops that as soon as she finds out that you are a willing partner, and starts to treat you like an equal, using her powers for your entertainment, as opposed to hers.
Yeah I agree. It's real funny to have a problem with a succubus of all characters not being monogamous. Besides, as you and others have pointed out, she decides to feed off of you exclusively eventually anyway!
 
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TheDevian

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Yeah I agree. It's real funny to have a problem with a succubus of all characters not being monogamous. Besides, as you and others have pointed out, she decides to feed off of you exclusively eventually anyway!
Pretty much right after you first hook up too, so it's pretty normal as these things go, she even helps you with other girls, how can you get better than that? :ROFLMAO:
 
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Reaverer

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At the same time the entire thing is a bit cringe with that whole "oh now only the player character can really satisfy me"-shtick;
Well it's not really that. If you pay attention to Velle's mom event, you should notice that their conflict is not new. In other words, Velle has wanted a steady relationship for some time before MC came into her life. It's just that MC is the only man who can satisfy her *alone*. That's also probably why she commits so much to this relationship - something that she wanted in life, was being denied to her to the point of maybe starting to give up, and then the seemingly perfect guy for the job waltzes into her life.

I'm with TheDevian on that one - Velle was promiscuous out of neccesity, so her switch to monoamory is not far-fetched at all.

reinforced by how (almost) all other male characters in the game are shown as disgusting and awful.
Reading this, I was like "well there are no other male characters... well except for the perv janitor... and the douche who harrassed Naira in the cafe... and the shitstain who tried to molest Naira in the mall... and the husband of Fanora's cousin who was a bit of a jerk... and the asshole who tried to use faked product to get Nefari to let him molest her - FUCK ME, you're right!"
 

PyoT

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Well it's not really that. If you pay attention to Velle's mom event, you should notice that their conflict is not new.
Oh, I don't disagree. If it were "meets protagonist, gets 'saved' by him from a life of debauchery" I'd probably have said it's extremely cringe. As is I just find it a bit cringe.

The "problem" - insofar as it even is one - is that while the characters and the action is neutral the author(s?) still made a deliberate choice to set it up like that so that's where the (little) cringe comes in for me. Especially also since the confrontation with the Mom is a bit ... you know.
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And again, you can say, well, okay, sometimes talking to a 3rd party is all that's needed. This certainly can happen.

But as mentioned it's deliberately chosen out of all possible options (ie Velle confronting and convincing her mother herself; or the mother reflecting on her actions or getting pressured by her organization over misappropriating man power or them working out a compromise of sorts ... but, naw, it's ultimately protagonist guy telling her "bad mom!") and that contributes to the entire setup being a bit "eeh" to me.

Also, the entire game gives off a bit of the anime-harem vibe to me (deliberately I'd assume) and that often is obsessed with "purity" concepts (of course never concerning the guy, always only the girls). That concerns the other characters too; the other men have already been mentioned, as an example. It's almost a miracle that the MILF landlady is "allowed" to have a sexual history ... but of course now that you are there she's completely abstaining. Coincidentally of course. There's nothing wrong with that in-universe-wise. It just - again - happened to be a choice the author made.

So having the Venne story in this sort of overall story just gives me these slight cringe vibes; with multiple small factors compounding to it.

But again, it's not awful or anything and as I said I pretty much find it the most interesting story out of the main ones despite these small ... I don't even want to call it complaints. Observations is maybe the right word ;)
 

TheDevian

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Oh, I don't disagree. If it were "meets protagonist, gets 'saved' by him from a life of debauchery" I'd probably have said it's extremely cringe. As is I just find it a bit cringe.

The "problem" - insofar as it even is one - is that while the characters and the action is neutral the author(s?) still made a deliberate choice to set it up like that so that's where the (little) cringe comes in for me. Especially also since the confrontation with the Mom is a bit ... you know.
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And again, you can say, well, okay, sometimes talking to a 3rd party is all that's needed. This certainly can happen.

But as mentioned it's deliberately chosen out of all possible options (ie Velle confronting and convincing her mother herself; or the mother reflecting on her actions or getting pressured by her organization over misappropriating man power or them working out a compromise of sorts ... but, naw, it's ultimately protagonist guy telling her "bad mom!") and that contributes to the entire setup being a bit "eeh" to me.

Also, the entire game gives off a bit of the anime-harem vibe to me (deliberately I'd assume) and that often is obsessed with "purity" concepts (of course never concerning the guy, always only the girls). That concerns the other characters too; the other men have already been mentioned, as an example. It's almost a miracle that the MILF landlady is "allowed" to have a sexual history ... but of course now that you are there she's completely abstaining. Coincidentally of course. There's nothing wrong with that in-universe-wise. It just - again - happened to be a choice the author made.

So having the Venne story in this sort of overall story just gives me these slight cringe vibes; with multiple small factors compounding to it.

But again, it's not awful or anything and as I said I pretty much find it the most interesting story out of the main ones despite these small ... I don't even want to call it complaints. Observations is maybe the right word ;)
The problem is, as we just saw, the moment you give them a sexual history, people start to complain about them or refuse to even talk to them. The guys can fuck anything they want, but the women are not allowed to even so much as look at someone else (sometimes even the other women in the group, depending on who is complaining).

So, other than the Illusion art style, it is less about anime and more about the typical male fantasy (and occasional insecurities). The typical porn hero complex, where the guy comes in and fixes everyone's problems, usually with his dick, and they all fall for him. Where all other men are considered enemies/rivals, competing for the same "prize". This is why all other men are typically either absent or assholes.

Good, bad, or otherwise, that is just how it tends to be... lol
 

Silver_Lich

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been away for almolst a year, thinking there would be a few updates, but its been almost 6 months since anything, i hate to ask but, abandoned?
It isn't abandoned. The next update should be end of this month or next from what there patreon page has said.
 

sweesh

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This game is essentially abandoned. 6 months for an update doesn't bode well for future updates. Think how discouraging it will be to play through this update knowing you'll have to wait until 2022 for new content.
Let those that make it decide if it's abandoned or not.
As pointed out in the last pages, the devs had to deal with life problems. You know: devs are human too and shit can happen. Specially when there's a global pandemic.
What's the point of been so negative and declare the project dead ahead of time?
The "schedule" doesn't meet your fancy? Fine, I'm pretty sure nobody is twisting your arm and making you play the game :D
 

Jubileu01

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Let those that make it decide if it's abandoned or not.
As pointed out in the last pages, the devs had to deal with life problems. You know: devs are human too and shit can happen. Specially when there's a global pandemic.
What's the point of been so negative and declare the project dead ahead of time?
The "schedule" doesn't meet your fancy? Fine, I'm pretty sure nobody is twisting your arm and making you play the game :D
" What's the point of been so negative and declare the project dead ahead of time? " Do you think they wanna lost the free milk from patreon ???
 
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