VN Ren'Py Mythos: Book One [v5.0.1 Hotfix] [Nine of Swords]

[Avaron1974]

Disappointed with that. How did you come to the conclusion that animations don't seem worth it? For me and many others, animations are worth it in the sex scenes, even if they take more time to make. The sex scenes don't feel the same without them. What about making a poll at least?

There was a poll, well a discussion at least.

Most of us told her they are a waste of her time if it's ruining her enjoyment of making the game and extending update time.

Animations are only any good if you have a full team, for solo devs it's just not worth it. They take far too long for very little return.

The sex scenes aren't the focus here so wasting time on them is a waste of resources.

 

[Nine of Swords]

Disappointed with that. How did you come to the conclusion that animations don't seem worth it? For me and many others, animations are worth it in the sex scenes, even if they take more time to make. The sex scenes don't feel the same without them. What about making a poll at least?

I was on this thread, on Patreon, and in my Discord agonizing over the decision for literally months. It wasn't something I settled on easily, believe me, but the support for me dropping animations was almost (if not completely) unanimous amongst everyone who was commenting and talking with me during the development of Chapter Three.

If the poses are well rendered, static images are better than looped animation, IMO.

One of my top favourite AVNs of all time has no animations!

Animations are only any good if you have a full team, for solo devs it's just not worth it. They take far too long for very little return.

If Mythos were my full-time job I think I could swing it; but I need my health insurance and being an indie solo dev isn't covering that.

 

[more lesbian foot massage]

Fellow beginner dev here and I have to agree on what Nine said. Animations are a PITA as you need to individually modify bones to make a pose and move them around to make the characters move in the scene. Especially when it involves multiple characters, you might spend hours or even days to animate them. And if we use premade animations, some people would easily notice it and point it out.

Might as well just render the scene and just imagine how the sex goes. I mean, you folks do that in your spiciest dreams, right?

Agreed. Unless you are a development team with a sufficient budget to provide the minimum required quality and quantity of animation, I think it's better to forgo it altogether and instead focus on the quality and quantity of the still renders among other areas of the game.

Most developers in this genre probably don't have the budget (or even the personal capacities) for it anyway. And you can see that in the mediocre quality of the animations when the developers try it anyway, even though they don't actually have the budget or the capacities for it. This development time and thus also the money is then wasted and instead of having used it profitably in terms of quality and quantity and ultimately also hopefully financial success for their own venture.

So I can definitely understand the decision behind it. It's simply logical.

ps: I wished more developers would actually understand this and rather put more ressources into the writing instead of mediocre animations or super-short animations. The return is simply not there, especially for a solo dev.

 

[HogRocket]

I was on this thread, on Patreon, and in my Discord agonizing over the decision for literally months. It wasn't something I settled on easily, believe me, but the support for me dropping animations was almost (if not completely) unanimous amongst everyone who was commenting and talking with me during the development of Chapter Three.



One of my top favourite AVNs of all time has no animations!



If Mythos were my full-time job I think I could swing it; but I need my health insurance and being an indie solo dev isn't covering that.

Agreed. Unless you are a development team with a sufficient budget to provide the minimum required quality and quantity of animation, I think it's better to forgo it altogether and instead focus on the quality and quantity of the still renders among other areas of the game.

Most developers in this genre probably don't have the budget (or even the personal capacities) for it anyway. And you can see that in the mediocre quality of the animations when the developers try it anyway, even though they don't actually have the budget or the capacities for it. This development time and thus also the money is then wasted and instead of having used it profitably in terms of quality and quantity and ultimately also hopefully financial success for their own venture.

So I can definitely understand the decision behind it. It's simply logical.

ps: I wished more developers would actually understand this and rather put more ressources into the writing instead of mediocre animations or super-short animations. The return is simply not there, especially for a solo dev.

As I am learning and developing a game, I tried to learn everything. I realized really quickly that animation is for big teams, LOOoooooong development times, or shitty animations. I don't have the first two and won't allow the last one, and rather have more story than animation.

If I were playing a title strictly for the sex content I would want lots of animations, but If I'm playing for the story, even a sexy story, I'd rather have good story and no animations than shitty story and animations of any quality

just my viewpoint

 

[hagare]

nvm,
downloaded a fresh batch

 

[HogRocket]

Thoughts on Chapter Three

I don't want to lose one of my girls to the dark side
Mara with no makeup and wild hair is....HOT!

The first three sentences in Chapter 4 that follow the sentence that ended chapter 3 will be veeeeeery interesting....

Most importanly I'M SO CONFUSED!

 

[Avaron1974]

It's so obvious what's going on.

I can see the next part of the story coming a mile away with flashing pink neon signs.

I'm almost disappointed in Nine for making it so damn easy to guess.

I plain to see that Lisa is a Werewolf.

 

[Deleted member 5218426]

The answer to that last question in this runthrough would have to be, "Yes. Five times. Five exactly."

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[LorgarAurelian]

Returned from the looongest feeling vacation yesterday, missed the release, but from what I'm reading it sounds like it went well, will give toughts when I have played trough.

 

[HogRocket]

I loved the board at the end. I actually thought about each character and felt guilty for suspecting some of them. Some of them.

Yeah, I don't want to suspect ANY of them, well, the principal girls at least

I'm afraid if I suspect them then I'll act wrong against someone later and lose her, but mostly I don't want to think badly of any of them

It's so obvious what's going on.

I can see the next part of the story coming a mile away with flashing pink neon signs.

I'm almost disappointed in Nine for making it so damn easy to guess.

I plain to see that Lisa is a Werewolf.

I love you a LOT my sister in crime!!

 

[Yoli]

I've restarted the game, but, impossible to get the chapter 3.
What's the problem ?
Thanks

 

[Avaron1974]

I've restarted the game, but, impossible to get the chapter 3.
What's the problem ?
Thanks

Walkthrough mod hasn't been updated and will block new content.

 

[Yoli]

Walkthrough mod hasn't been updated and will block new content.

Thanks

 

[Nine of Swords]

Thanks

For what it's worth, there's a walkthrough built into the game now. No mod should be needed!

 

[SpyderArachnid]

For what it's worth, there's a walkthrough built into the game now. No mod should be needed!

To be fair, the walkthrough mod shows you points like Sweet, Cunning, Funny, Direct, etc as well as Love points and such. The one currently in the game shows none of that from what I've seen so far. Have the romance hints enabled in game on a fresh game, and so far none of the choices I've gotten have any hints on them whatsoever.

Not a bad thing, just was letting ya know is all. Not sure when those romance hints are supposed to kick in, but so far nadda.

 

[Bloodguard]

If the poses are well rendered, static images are better than looped animation, IMO.

Don't really care about the poses so much, it's the writing that makes or breaks the lewd scenes.
I personally perfer sexy sounds in the lewds over animations, but most Devs that don't do animations can't be bothered with sound either.
But really, sexy dialogue and maybe some dirty talk, with a few nice renders, are all a good sex scene needs.
GGGB, one of all time faves, has no animations, but the writing is top tier and the scenes, especially the Lesbian ones, are amazing. The same Devs next game, ORS, has vastly superior lewd scenes from a technical standpoint but is a much inferior game to me, due to weaker characters and writing. The Lesbian paths are particularly lacking.
Then a certain Sorcerer game that has almost no dialogue or narration, but some animations, has about the worst lewd scenes ever made. Granted the game is about the story not the sex, but it's the only porn game I have played where I skipped the lewds because they were creepy AF.

 

[Nine of Swords]

To be fair, the walkthrough mod shows you points like Sweet, Cunning, Funny, Direct, etc as well as Love points and such. The one currently in the game shows none of that from what I've seen so far. Have the romance hints enabled in game on a fresh game, and so far none of the choices I've gotten have any hints on them whatsoever.

Not a bad thing, just was letting ya know is all. Not sure when those romance hints are supposed to kick in, but so far nadda.

Those points have all been removed.

 

[Nine of Swords]

Don't really care about the poses so much, it's the writing that makes or breaks the lewd scenes.
I personally perfer sexy sounds in the lewds over animations, but most Devs that don't do animations can't be bothered with sound either.

I'm totally the opposite; hearing sounds during sex scenes always felt awkward to me. When I play other games, I always have them muted!

But really, sexy dialogue and maybe some dirty talk, with a few nice renders, are all a good sex scene needs.
GGGB, one of all time faves, has no animations, but the writing is top tier and the scenes, especially the Lesbian ones, are amazing. The same Devs next game, ORS, has vastly superior lewd scenes from a technical standpoint but is a much inferior game to me, due to weaker characters and writing. The Lesbian paths are particularly lacking.

I'm curious about this, since I only care about writing in sex scenes myself (hell, I'll read an erotic story over playing a game or watching porn), but I have no idea what those acronyms stand for. Please enlighten?

 

[SpyderArachnid]

Those points have all been removed.

Ah, I did not know this. My mistake then. I just remember it from the previous version. So choices no longer affect love and all that, it's just go with whatever you want now? That's actually pretty cool. Point systems always got a bit annoying sometimes, cause it was always "choose what gives points" instead of choose what you would want to say.

But thanks for the heads up! Guess I missed that somewhere.

I'm curious about this, since I only care about writing in sex scenes myself (hell, I'll read an erotic story over playing a game or watching porn), but I have no idea what those acronyms stand for. Please enlighten?

Good Girl Gone Bad, and Our Red String by EvaKiss.

 

[Nine of Swords]

Ah, I did not know this. My mistake then. I just remember it from the previous version. So choices no longer affect love and all that, it's just go with whatever you want now? That's actually pretty cool. Point systems always got a bit annoying sometimes, cause it was always "choose what gives points" instead of choose what you would want to say.

But thanks for the heads up! Guess I missed that somewhere.

Yeah, that's exactly why I removed them; it felt unnatural, and put numeric value on emotions. Now if you wanna be with a girl there's just a choice to pursue it or not! I went into detail on my thoughts about this a while back:

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Basically, I want players to focus more on the story and thinking about the investigation, rather than trying to balance stats and gather enough love points to see some genitals.

Good Girl Gone Bad, and Our Red String by EvaKiss.

Gotcha! I may check those out at some point, thanks!