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New update from blog. The game is getting Motion Animation.
Not sure if it video like survive motion anime or we getting same game but have animation now. Just have to wait and see I guess.
 
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New update from blog. The game is getting Motion Animation.
Not sure if it video like survive motion anime or we getting same game but have animation now. Just have to wait and see I guess.
Motion animation usually means that they take the game CGs and scene and animate them in a pseudo-movie format. So probably survive type stuff. Adding animations to the game itself would be a whole other ball game since that'd require a lot of coding work on top of making the animations themselves, which is not something that's gonna happen while BBQ is busy with 2 other projects.
 
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New Game+ in porn games is stupid and a contradiction.

No one should be wasting their time with multiple playthroughs for something that was designed for you to fap to. These are not *real* games, they are masturbation tools.
If you don't like the game, don't play it. It makes no sense to try and police how others view the game and what they want to get out of it. Maybe for you multiple playthroughs doesn't make sense, and maybe for you all you want to do is fap to it, go play some western shovelware porn game or go on porn hub or something if that's what you want to do. It makes no sense to me however that you would come to a Japanese hentai RPGM game, where often effort IS put into the gameplay and the characters because they ARE real games with satisfying masturbation being the goal - then complain about it because you aren't the target audience. It'd be like going to watch a historical drama and complaining there isn't enough fantasy, like yeah we get it, you like fantasy - go watch fantasy and leave the people who like historical dramas alone.

The fact that this game sold nearly 42,000 copies on DLsite alone, not even counting the copies that might have been sold through Saikey or on Steam, or how many copies were pirated, with an overwhelming 5 star reviews in the places it matters shows you're dead wrong. I get that the majority of people who visit this website are looking for quick wank material, but don't act like that's the only kind of person looking for a porn game when the most successful ones out there are usually the ones trying to be a bit more than just quick wank material.
 
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It's also true that BBQ themselves were not fully satisfied with how Nebel turned out based on what I could dig out from their ci-en posts, as the development was impacted b COVID. Some people react more harshly to some of the flaws that were left behind.
This is true, I personally wish that they had continued to update this game after release with new content rather than making that next game set in Tokyo. Fix the things they and players weren't totally happy with, add new CGs and flesh it out more. This game has a good concept and I like the unique combat a lot. Add a bit more variety there, make it more worthwhile to experiment with the mechanics, and you've got an even more fantastic game than what is already available. Unfortunately however we'll not get something like that. Hopefully BBQ makes a sequel at some point that capitalizes on what they learned from this game.
 

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This is true, I personally wish that they had continued to update this game after release with new content rather than making that next game set in Tokyo. Fix the things they and players weren't totally happy with, add new CGs and flesh it out more. This game has a good concept and I like the unique combat a lot. Add a bit more variety there, make it more worthwhile to experiment with the mechanics, and you've got an even more fantastic game than what is already available. Unfortunately however we'll not get something like that. Hopefully BBQ makes a sequel at some point that capitalizes on what they learned from this game.

I dunno if I'd want a direct sequel to Nebel, seeing as it has a pretty definitive True Ending that'd be hard to work off of. The situation worked because there was a very specific set-up happening, and it'd be difficult to do something similar after that ending without having to make the characters more stupid than they should be, even by NTR standards. Though I suppose a non-NTR sequel could be interesting in its own way, depending on how it's handled.

A remake of Nebel that improves the concept would be glorious though, or another game in the setting that follows a different couple. Granted, it's also possible that BBQ has learned some lessons and applied them to the Succubus Priestess game. We'll have to wait and see.
 

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I dunno if I'd want a direct sequel to Nebel, seeing as it has a pretty definitive True Ending that'd be hard to work off of.
Granted, it's also possible that BBQ has learned some lessons and applied them to the Succubus Priestess game. We'll have to wait and see.
I wouldn't want a direct sequel to Nebel either, the characters had their story and it was fine. But I think the setting itself has plenty of room for other characters and locations. I would love to see a refined version of Nebel's mechanics, with a bigger playing field of places to go and events to see. I think it'd also be a bit better if the player could have a little bit more control over what events might happen. For instance maybe you could talk to the love interest or the rival and suggest places that either of them could go to at different time slots, or maybe you could take the love interest on a date to a location but leave early for a gameplay reason and there's a chance she gets intercepted by a rival.
 

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If you don't like the game, don't play it. It makes no sense to try and police how others view the game and what they want to get out of it. Maybe for you multiple playthroughs doesn't make sense, and maybe for you all you want to do is fap to it, go play some western shovelware porn game or go on porn hub or something if that's what you want to do. It makes no sense to me however that you would come to a Japanese hentai RPGM game, where often effort IS put into the gameplay and the characters because they ARE real games with satisfying masturbation being the goal - then complain about it because you aren't the target audience. It'd be like going to watch a historical drama and complaining there isn't enough fantasy, like yeah we get it, you like fantasy - go watch fantasy and leave the people who like historical dramas alone.

The fact that this game sold nearly 42,000 copies on DLsite alone, not even counting the copies that might have been sold through Saikey or on Steam, or how many copies were pirated, with an overwhelming 5 star reviews in the places it matters shows you're dead wrong. I get that the majority of people who visit this website are looking for quick wank material, but don't act like that's the only kind of person looking for a porn game when the most successful ones out there are usually the ones trying to be a bit more than just quick wank material.
Not liking the game literally has nothing to do with this discussion. The point was about storylines being playable on 1 playthrough instead of having to replay the same game 3 times.

Bro went off on 2 paragraphs about nothing just because he saw something and wanted to argue, next time make sure you actually know whats being discussed first before you just spout off and ramble. :ROFLMAO:
 

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I wouldn't want a direct sequel to Nebel either, the characters had their story and it was fine. But I think the setting itself has plenty of room for other characters and locations. I would love to see a refined version of Nebel's mechanics, with a bigger playing field of places to go and events to see. I think it'd also be a bit better if the player could have a little bit more control over what events might happen. For instance maybe you could talk to the love interest or the rival and suggest places that either of them could go to at different time slots, or maybe you could take the love interest on a date to a location but leave early for a gameplay reason and there's a chance she gets intercepted by a rival.

I definitely agree that the setting has room for more developments, and I definitely hope we see more in it. Though, I don't think it's very likely. For all that BBQ does cameos of previous characters and whatnot, they've yet to revisit any of their previous settings. Every single game has been completely stand-alone, so our only real hope is that they'll use the lessons from Nebel in future projects.

When it comes to the improvements themselves, I definitely agree that a bigger area to operate in would be better. The town in Nebel is too small and easy to figure out, which makes cock-blocking L super easy in the night phase once you figure out the tricks to it. The other thing that I think could be improved is MC's options during the night phase. If you have more IC and gameplay reasons to do other things than cock-block L, it becomes more of a choice. Do you stalk Kana? Or do you go for something or another that makes the day phase easier or perhaps something else entirely.

In terms of the combat, I'm honestly not sure what the best way would be to improve it. Right now, I'd say that the major issue is that you have no options that allow you to handle combat that's longer than a very small number of turns. This means that you're incentivized to build in a way that allows you to defeat enemies in the shortest number of turns possible, and the Fire+Ice combo achieves this the best at lower levels and lower stats and scales up well too. However, there were skills that scaled off of the numbers of buff on MC, or the number of debuffs on the enemy and whatnot. Those would make for interesting gameplay too, but it's not really great because you don't have the ability to do that sort of set-up and survive, and even if you do, healing out of combat is very limited too, so you're again incentivized to avoid taking any damage at all.

Basically, the system has the potential to be interesting, especially since the skills level up too as they're used... but it needs some kind of balance tweak to make more combat styles genuinely viable even at the lower levels and lower stat catalysts.

Lastly, for the events. More date interrupt stuff could be fun, though I personally don't mind if there's still a big lack of control when it comes to triggering events, at least without the cheat stuff. The randomness of it all is one of the things that I enjoyed the most in Nebel.
 

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Not liking the game literally has nothing to do with this discussion. The point was about storylines being playable on 1 playthrough instead of having to replay the same game 3 times.

Bro went off on 2 paragraphs about nothing just because he saw something and wanted to argue, next time make sure you actually know whats being discussed first before you just spout off and ramble. :ROFLMAO:
How many porn games have you played? Quite a lot of them require you to play through them again in order to get a different ending.
 

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How many porn games have you played? Quite a lot of them require you to play through them again in order to get a different ending.
You are confusing multiple endings with multiple playthroughs.

Alot of porn games let you save before an ending to see all outcomes on 1 playthrough. The problem is about games making you play the entire game over again for a different outcome.
 
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Motion animation usually means that they take the game CGs and scene and animate them in a pseudo-movie format. So probably survive type stuff. Adding animations to the game itself would be a whole other ball game since that'd require a lot of coding work on top of making the animations themselves, which is not something that's gonna happen while BBQ is busy with 2 other projects.
yeah that make sense. But if it video that mean the mc girlfriend at least have to be full voice so I am look forward to it (maybe they use from asmr one since they did do new update that include asmr but who know)
Hopefully they include as much scene as possible (every scene if possible but I doubt they will)
 

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Priest got english demo release.. anyone got?
Dunno if anyone got it, but I'd recommend waiting before jumping into it, because right now, the ENG version is based on the 0.1 Demo, aka the super buggy one. BBQ said that they'll release an updated version as soon as they can, and I honestly think it's worth waiting until there's parity with the CN version.
 
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Then you clearly didnt understand what I am talking about. I suggest you re-read or keep your irrelevant comments to yourself.
If you're not interested in playing a game over again to experience different things in the game, that is your problem, not the game's. What you're complaining about makes absolutely no sense, seeing as you can also save scum in this game and get the ending you want without playing through the whole thing again. So once again, it is you who don't know what you're talking about. Even if you couldn't save scum in this game to get what you wanted, why do you keep insisting that others are wrong, when your entire issue is completely up to your preference? You saying that a lot of games allow you to experience everything on one playthrough means nothing, that's not inherently better, and neither is needing to play through it again. Even still I would definitely say that a lot more games don't allow you to experience everything in one playthrough, as anything with a mutually exclusive choice means that you'll need to play through it again or save scum, also having hidden endings unlock based on having played through something once can also be a nice thing there for people who like the game enough to bother with playing it again (something, which I feel I should add, is not in this game at all, because newgame+ is not a requirement at all to experience everything in the game, like you seem to think it is). Regardless, this entire discussion is pointless, not because you think I don't understand what you're saying, but because your complaint isn't actually a problem in the first place. From my perspective it just looks like you're complaining to complain. Nothing you're saying has any substance, and shows that you likely didn't engage much with this game's systems, as it's extremely easy to engineer things for the exact outcome you're looking for.
 
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If you're not interested in playing a game over again to experience different things in the game, that is your problem, not the game's. What you're complaining about makes absolutely no sense, seeing as you can also save scum in this game and get the ending you want without playing through the whole thing again. So once again, it is you who don't know what you're talking about. Even if you couldn't save scum in this game to get what you wanted, why do you keep insisting that others are wrong, when your entire issue is completely up to your preference? You saying that a lot of games allow you to experience everything on one playthrough means nothing, that's not inherently better, and neither is needing to play through it again. Even still I would definitely say that a lot more games don't allow you to experience everything in one playthrough, as anything with a mutually exclusive choice means that you'll need to play through it again or save scum, also having hidden endings unlock based on having played through something once can also be a nice thing there for people who like the game enough to bother with playing it again (something, which I feel I should add, is not in this game at all, because newgame+ is not a requirement at all to experience everything in the game, like you seem to think it is). Regardless, this entire discussion is pointless, not because you think I don't understand what you're saying, but because your complaint isn't actually a problem in the first place. From my perspective it just looks like you're complaining to complain. Nothing you're saying has any substance, and shows that you likely didn't engage much with this game's systems, as it's extremely easy to engineer things for the exact outcome you're looking for.
I aint reading all that. I'm happy for you though or sorry that happened.
 
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What triggers the automatic gameover? Is it having submission at a certain value (I think I got it to 1200 before gameover) or having it being higher than affection by a certain amount?
 
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