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and completely agree. you are a 100% right. Asmodeus is only just getting started. Eventually, It will come as well. - Thread starter Asmodeus_
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and completely agree. you are a 100% right. Asmodeus is only just getting started. Eventually, It will come as well. Here is a defination of NTR according to this very same forum as quoted by Mr.BLasKyau above.
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so we can't actually agree to disagree when that's what this very same forum defines as NTR.
Ignore what those Japanese games show man. those are really really filthy. try some Western ones. and you will see the difference.
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Respect!Thanks, man!
Either way, I appreciate your criticism and taking the time to share this!
And yes, you're right that if I limited the number of characters that would create more content for the rest, but hear me out...
First of all it's not a harem game; meaning that you're not going to get all girls in one playthrough. So, I'm not just adding more holes-and-shapes-to-fuck without reason. Each character offers a unique perspective in this story, and that's where that "boring" reading becomes important (nudge nudge
Secondly, the player has a few paths to choose, and different ways to pick the stats. That means that as you move forward some girls will become unavailable. If there were just 3 girls in this scenario, you'd be fucked and you would be limited in your choices. Or you'd end up with a girl you didn't really like as a character. The girls will fit the main stats (dominant, submissive, lusty, experienced) and your dialog choices.
It's a game heavily focused on story (I'm mainly a writer after all), so if you're bored to read, then you can just enjoy the "pretty girls", but know that you're missing on the most important stuff
You took that insult and criticism like a champ.
Now I really like you. You have earned my respect. Now I must try this game even if it doesn't have NTR yet.
but PLEASEEEE! Add NTR, Please. and SOON. i meant agree to disagree on the western ones lol have played have hated themHere is a defination of NTR according to this very same forum as quoted by Mr.BLasKyau above.
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so we can't actually agree to disagree when that's what this very same forum defines as NTR.
Heh, thank you for your kind words!Respect!
You took that insult and criticism like a champ.
Now I must try this game even if it doesn't have NTR yet.
I really appreciate your passion for NTR, but it’s not in my plans to include, and so far the plot doesn’t allow it.
To explain, the MC has no relationship to get cheated on (yet). After the plot moves on and he’s into a relationship, then we’ll see if it fits the premise.
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Classic NTR tag ruining stories, maybe good stories are turned into garbage. In the end it won't be a female domination game it'll just be a simple pointless NTR game , it' ll overshadow the main plot and there won't be anything left.Nice game but MUST INCLUDE NTR and also NATORARE if possible.
Thanks man for your hard work.
Okay, first of all thank you for taking the time to clear up what you mean for me. It helps a lot!Well, most people shrug NTR off as a cuck thing without knowing what it really means. There are 3 broad types of NTR from what I know, Natorare means being unfaithful or cheating on your husband without his permission or liking. Natori is what NTR haters usaully mean when they are talking about NTR and cucks, etc. Natori basically means your husband is a sissy and you fuck around with his permission, in front of him and usually humiliate him and he enjoys being humiliated. That's Natori.!
there are usually a lot of different types of NTRs but all tend to be labelled broadly as NTRs.
My favorite is Natorare. It basically means your wife cheats on you without your permission and then you find out and then you put her in her place and such. It's sort of like fucking and fighting all the time.
oops, scratch that. My favorite is Natori but opposite, ie, I usually try to picture myself as the guy who is humiliating the sissy husband and then taking his wife in front of him. Mannn, that's my biggest turn on.
Noooooooo! Please don't say that!!!
As always, I research as much as I can and I think you might have it wrong on these japanese terms. I studied japanese in the past (I even got the first two grades
), but I’m in no way an expert. The verb is “netoru”, and it means “to steal another's spouse or lover”. The word is combined by two ideograms; the first means “sleep”, and the second “take”. Combined they have the meaning of ”stolen while you sleep” The verb in japanese has several forms like “netoru” (informal present tense), “netorimasu” (formal present tense), and “netorimashita” (formal past tense). The “netori” form is when combining the verb with other verbs in series. So the terms you mention have no meaning in japanese, and they’re not terms for different genres, so I’m guessing that’s some kind of miscommunication or lost in translation.
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To sum up, NTR/Netorare is the western cheating scenario. So let’s call it what it is and analyze it from a writing perspective (i’m numbering them for easier discussion):
- {A} The MC fucks a LI (love interest) that’s married or in relationship;
- [1] The LI's bf/husband doesn't know about it
- [2] The LI's bf/husband finds out and confronts him/them
- [3] The LI's bf/husband watches them having sex (the bf/husband is getting cucked)
- {B} The MC has a committed relationship with a LI and has feelings for her;
- [1] LI cheats on him, but MC never learns about it
- [2] LI cheats on him, and MC learns about it but is not present in the act
- [3] LI cheats in front of MC
- {C} The MC has an one-sided relationship with a LI. That means that the MC has feelings for her, but she's not committed to him;
- [1] LI fucks other men, but the MC never learns about it
- [2] LI fucks other men, and the MC learns about it
- [3] LI fucks other men in front of MC
- {D} The MC is an one-sided relationship with a LI. Similar to {C}, the MC has feelings for her, but she's not committed to him;
- [1] LI fucks other women, but the MC never learns about it
- [2] LI fucks other women, and the MC learns about it
- [3] LI fucks other women in front of MC
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So… the [B1], [C1] and [D1] scenarios will never work in this game, because everything is being told by the perspective of the MC. If the MC doesn’t know, then it’s not in the narrative
The [A1], [A2] and [A3] are very possible in this game, but that’s not really NTR (according to the F95 definition). The MC will be the Bull in another man’s cockolding . So, no issues with that from my perspective.
The [B2] and [B3] require the MC to have a committed relationship with a LI. That’s the only way an NTR scenario will work and hit the spot IMO. And that doesn’t exist in this game (yet). When the MC reaches a point where he has a relationship like that, we’ll talk about it then. But my view is that this will dilute the purpose of the game.
The [C2] and [C3] are the classic scenarios but they’re not NTR. The MC wants the girl, but she’s not committed so she still fucks other guys. If she’s not really committed to him, then it’s not really cheating. The LI was never his to begin with. The MC is trying to win her heart.
The [D2] and [D3] scenarios, are really interesting and could fit the Mistress/Sub scenario. Again, like with the {C} scenarios, it’s not really NTR.
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But lets hit the nail right on it’s head…
NTR scenarios work best when the MC is in a committed relationship with the LI and there’s some kind of betrayal. She cheats on him and the MC goes through some kind of transformation internally. He either accepts it or becomes enraged and tries to get revenge. NTR scenarios usually incite jealousy and feelings of ineptitude or inability and this is not in my vision to explore in this game.
With Neuvau I want to tell a story of empowerment (dom path), or knowingly letting go of control (sub path). Even in the sub path the MC will be aware of releasing control, but he’ll still be aware that he has power in the relationship (like in a healthy Dom/Sub relationship). At least that‘s the vision
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Look, I won’t let this game get turned into garbage, but I get your point in general
I agree that an NTR scenario will overshadow the main purpose and vision of this game! You’re right on that!
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I don't think I would be interested in the kind of revenge that could be proposed in those games: I usually prefer revenge without any sexual connotation, at least when it comes to the LI who has cheated the MC. In fact my preference is: The MC breaks up with the LI (this part is mandatory) and then either starts a romantic relationship with the LI's best friend (or worst enemy), or ruins her life and reputation somehow. Or both together, this is possibly the best if you want revenge. In any case, if the LI reappears in the game it's simply so that the MC can make it clear to her that he doesn't want anything with her and that he is very happy with another or other LIs (I'm more of a fan of harem games).Dude, that's what NTR is! "REVENGE"!!! those flthy Japanese games have forever destroyed the image of NTR. those games make me puke as well.
and yes, definately, make NTR avoidable so that those who don't want it can just exclude it.
I don't see Andrea as a potential romance (or love interest) for the MC at all (and it's possible that I include almost every theoretic LI on that list). Revenge comes exclusively through blackmail, which, by the way, already prevents me from feeling any interest in her beyond the desire for revenge. In any case, although in reality almost any type of revenge that Dev plans will work for me, possibly the type that I would look for isn't the one that will occur.
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Wow man. You have done some good homework. I think you have a clear idea about everything. Good work on the researching this. Every writer should research like you did.Okay, first of all thank you for taking the time to clear up what you mean for me. It helps a lot!
As always, I research as much as I can and I think you might have it wrong on these japanese terms. I studied japanese in the past (I even got the first two grades
The verb in japanese has several forms like “netoru” (informal present tense), “netorimasu” (formal present tense), and “netorimashita” (formal past tense). The “netori” form is when combining the verb with other verbs in series. So the terms you mention have no meaning in japanese, and they’re not terms for different genres, so I’m guessing that’s some kind of miscommunication or lost in translation.
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To sum up, NTR/Netorare is the western cheating scenario. So let’s call it what it is and analyze it from a writing perspective (i’m numbering them for easier discussion):
- {A} The MC meets a LI (love interest) that’s married or in relationship;
- [1] Then they fuck without her bf/husband knowing about it
- [2] Then they fuck and the bf/husband later finds out and confronts him/them
- [3] Then they fuck in front of him (the bf/husband is getting cucked)
- {B} The MC has a committed relationship with a LI and has feelings for her;
- [1] Then she cheats on him, but he never learns about it
- [2] Then she cheats on him, he learns about it but is not present in the act
- [3] Then she cheats in front of him
- {C} The MC is an one-sided relationship with a LI and the MC has feelings for her, but she’s not committed to him;
- [1] Then she proceeds in fucking other men, but the MC never learns about it
- [2] Then she’s fucking other men, and the MC knows about it
- [3] Then she’s fucking with other men in front of him
- {D} The MC is an one-sided relationship with a LI and the MC has feelings for her, but she’s not committed to him;
- [1] Then she proceeds in fucking other women, but the MC never learns about it
- [2] Then she’s fucking other women, and the MC knows about it
- [3] Then she’s fucking with other women in front of him
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So… the [B1], [C1] and [D1] scenarios will never work in this game, because everything is being told by the perspective of the MC. If the MC doesn’t know, then it’s not in the narrative
The [A1], [A2] and [A3] are very possible in this game, but that’s not really NTR (according to the F95 definition). The MC will be the Bull in another man’s cockolding . So, no issues with that from my perspective.
The [B2] and [B3] require the MC to have a committed relationship with a LI. That’s the only way an NTR scenario will work. And that doesn’t exist in this game (yet). When the MC reaches a point where he has a relationship like that, we’ll talk about it then. But my view is that this will dilute the purpose of the game.
The [C2] and [C3] are the classic scenarios but they’re not NTR. The MC wants the girl, but she’s not committed so she still fucks other guys. If she’s not really committed to him, then it’s not really cheating. The LI was never his to begin with. The MC is trying to win her heart.
The [D2] and [D3] scenarios, are really interesting and could fit the Mistress/Sub scenario. Again, like with the {C} scenarios, it’s not really NTR.
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But lets hit the nail right on it’s head…
NTR scenarios work best when the MC is in a committed relationship with the LI and there’s some kind of betrayal. She cheats on him and the MC goes through some kind of transformation internally. He either accepts it or becomes enraged and tries to get revenge. NTR scenarios usually incite jealousy and feelings of ineptitude or inability and this is not in my vision to explore in this game.
With Neuvau I want to tell a story of empowerment (dom path), or knowingly letting go of control (sub path). Even in the sub path the MC will be aware of releasing control, but he’ll still be aware that he has power in the relationship (like in a healthy Dom/Sub relationship). At least that‘s the vision
Thank you for saying it! Coming from another creator that means a lot to me!
I think the NTR tag needs a lot of research before you even attempt to include. Mostly because many players either love it, or hate it. There are few that have no opinion on it.
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You are welcome.Okay, first of all thank you for taking the time to clear up what you mean for me. It helps a lot!
Really? well, good for you.As always, I research as much as I can and I think you might have it wrong on these japanese terms. I studied japanese in the past (I even got the first two grades
The verb in japanese has several forms like “netoru” (informal present tense), “netorimasu” (formal present tense), and “netorimashita” (formal past tense). The “netori” form is when combining the verb with other verbs in series. So the terms you mention have no meaning in japanese, and they’re not terms for different genres, so I’m guessing that’s some kind of miscommunication or lost in translation.
and just wanna say that if you are part Japanese or such then I am really sorry for bad mouthing the Japanese games. Now, regarding me getting those terms wrong. well, those terms are as real as night and day.
I can assure you of that. Both "NATORI" and "NATORARE" and the 3rd one that I didn't mention before is called "NETORASE". All three are as real as Night and Day. But regarding miscommunication and lost in translation.
well, it is very much possible that I interchanged the terms and explained Natori as Natorare and vice-versa. lol, And after reading your explanation, it looks very likely that Natori is what I explained above as Natorare. BUT! those 3 terms are very real. As real as Night and day.
Naa, dump B, C, and D.
Those three have nothing to do with NTR. Only A is NTR. All three, A1, A2 and A3. Include all three if you could PLEASEEEE!! Perfect.!
You are such a sweetheart when you talk like that. Do it!!! fuck F95 definition, who cares what they say when no one using this very same forum believes that to be the definition of NTR. lolSo now, we are finally in agreement. AWESOME.
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Yep, you are right about that.Thank you for saying it! Coming from another creator that means a lot to me!
I think the NTR tag needs a lot of research before you even attempt to include. Mostly because many players either love it, or hate it. There are few that have no opinion on it.
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The NTR definition of the forum would include B, and possibly C, although that is more debatable. Also, depending on who you ask will consider option D as NTR. Especially those who don't like lesbian sex.Naa, dump B, C, and D.
In any case, those who don't like the NTR won't like option B or C, nor will many like D. So these options are best made avoidable, unless you want to focus the game on them.
I don't think that many forum participants consider option A to be NTR, at least not according to what NTR is understood here.Perfect.!
So now, we are finally in agreement. AWESOME.
Unless we play different games the MC is John and the LIs are Andrea and the other girls. The player interprets and makes the decisions for John, hence the "male protagonist" tag that the game has.Yea, so well, I played your game just now just to get to know your thinking better.
So, FIRST of all, that guy is an idiot! You are truly a wordsmith.
2ND, those characters!!!!
and You are really very passionate about this game.
now, the 3RD one, this one is going to be a bit inconvenient so bear with me.
"Doggie Hush", "Doggie Attack", "Good Job Doggie, here is a lollie pop", "You are the toughest doggie in this world, go get em all boy!"{why is he the toughest doggie? coz he is your pet and you control him so he must be.
It almost feels like you want to put a collar with your name on your LI.
But I doubt that you would let that happen.
I wish that weren't the case but I doubt that you would want to tone down that extreme femdom part, coz that's what is your driving force behind this game.
But still, Great job on the game.
Good luck with your project.
The decisions indicate how John responds (if you don't change his name) to the situations raised (being more or less submissive, dominant, if he responds in a more "mature" way or if he lets himself be carried away by his most lustful side). I haven't seen in the game any situation in that you have to make decisions about how one of the LIs or any other character that isn't the MC (John) acts.
I'm actually not sure what the femdom of the game is like since I don't play it. For now, the pleasure for me is to say no to those who have tried to dominate the MC (although for now the guy is a bit self-conscious) and, from the blackmail, it has joined making the MC grow so that he can, in a future, take revenge on Andrea and the other participants in the blackmail. It may be a long trip, but the fun is in seeing how he does it, and if he annoys a few dominant girls in the meantime, all the better. In fact on the maledom route John should begin to gain self-confidence with some fluency, but not too slow or too fast (and you can already see that he has been gaining some confidence if you follow the route I'm playing, but he needs a lot of work on this matter to be able to come up with a plan for revenge).
I'm in the group that hates it.I think the NTR tag needs a lot of research before you even attempt to include. Mostly because many players either love it, or hate it. There are few that have no opinion on it.
I'm completely stumped. "Netorase" is a thing! But, "nAtori" and "nAtorare", not even google knows what these are!Really? well, good for you.
Now, regarding me getting those terms wrong. well, those terms are as real as night and day.
But regarding miscommunication and lost in translation.
BUT! those 3 terms are very real. As real as Night and day.
Could you provide a link that explains these genres, cause as much as I tried, I can't find anything on them Wow, that was a big misunderstanding on my part then!Naa, dump B, C, and D.
So now, we are finally in agreement. AWESOME.
Probably because the B, C and D scenarios are usually found in femdom games, and the MC is the one getting cucked.
The scenario A, as I said in the previous post, is very much a possibility. To clarify for those that missed the conversation, this is the cheating scenario where the MC will make a cuck out of someone else and fuck his girlfriend or wife.
Heh, thank you for your kind words!
I really appreciate your passion for NTR, but it’s not in my plans to include, and so far the plot doesn’t allow it.
To explain, the MC has no relationship to get cheated on (yet). After the plot moves on and he’s into a relationship, then we’ll see if it fits the premise.
Yea, so well, I played your game just now just to get to know your thinking better.Heh, thank you for your kind words!
I really appreciate your passion for NTR, but it’s not in my plans to include, and so far the plot doesn’t allow it.
To explain, the MC has no relationship to get cheated on (yet). After the plot moves on and he’s into a relationship, then we’ll see if it fits the premise.
and also to see if there was any truth to what that guy was saying.So, FIRST of all, that guy is an idiot! You are truly a wordsmith.
Amazing writing. One of the best ever. 2ND, those characters!!!!
Truly mind blowing job. The best ever characters ever created on this forum although I wished those asses were a bit smaller. but still, Amazing work. You have really put in a looot of work into these characters. and You are really very passionate about this game.
I like that. I LOVE THE GAME BUT WOULD IT BY ANY CHANCE BE POSSIBLE TO LET THE LI CHEAT ON THE MC?
and then the MC gets angry and takes revenge and such? and also, LI cuckolds on the MC and treats him as a sissyboy and gets a real man and humiliates him and such? would that be at all possible? I WOULD LOVEEEE THAT if at all it were possible. yeah? say Yes, please.
lol, FIngers crossed.
Thank you for taking the time to share this! I really appreciate it!
Hah! I was almost certain you would!
But what are your thoughts about the A scenario? Where the MC will cuck another dude by fucking his gf or wife?
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Oh, thank you for your kind words! I really appreciate it!Yea, so well, I played your game just now just to get to know your thinking better.
So, FIRST of all, that guy is an idiot! You are truly a wordsmith.
2ND, those characters!!!!
and You are really very passionate about this game.
I LOVE THE GAME BUT WOULD IT BY ANY CHANCE BE POSSIBLE TO LET THE LI CHEAT ON THE MC?
yeah? say Yes, please.
As I've said in a previous post, the MC doesn't have any relationships yet with a LI. And there are a lot of steps till he has one. The story of Neuvau is focusing on other aspects of MC's path in life.
Usually to write an NTR scenario where the MC is getting cheated, the story would start with the MC in a happy or strained relationship already. For the Neuvau story that's light years ahead, and I don't think it fits this story.
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Hey as long as the NTR is optional then nobody can bitch and complain.
Not sure who the mc can turn into a cuck though, I mean the landlord who we havnt even met maybe, but that’s risky cause he could kick you out, unless he’s into being cucked
Not sure who the mc can turn into a cuck though, I mean the landlord who we havnt even met maybe, but that’s risky cause he could kick you out, unless he’s into being cucked
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It may sound weird (or not) but I like that the MC and his partner have some kind of relationship, preferably romantic, to have sex. If that situation arose (that the girl cheats on her boyfriend with the MC) I would prefer it to be because the MC is, or is going to be, the girl's lover (for me it would be very positive if at some point she cut up with her boyfriend to be with the MC).Hah! I was almost certain you would!
But what are your thoughts about the A scenario? Where the MC will cuck another dude by fucking his gf and wife?
In any case, I think Scenario A creates much less of a problem than the others: the situation isn't likely to cause a heated argument (in fact I can name a few harem games where this happens without anyone complaining about it)