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i disagree. and i'll try to elaborate. no matter how many times i choose not to be interested in kirsten, at some point the script force me to select "cuckold" or "domination" path for kirsten. since this is not a multi ending vn, and dev want to make a trilogy (there will be a sequel to this game), you do not have to be nostradamus to see that one event will finish the game, and that one event will be with kirsten or about kirsten.



this game fully deserves ntr tag.
Just to answer about Kirsten. Now that I'm recoding the game you'll be able to avoid her (as most of the other character) obviously you could continue to meet her in other character's storyline.
The choice I made and that you were talk about was a fix. I mean:
There were some issues with her paths.
When I started playing the game, I hadn't considered some possible scenarios. When I decided to add them, in order to make them triggerable, I had to go through the stats I had available. This meant that Kirsten's storyline (and some of the others) might not be completely ointments.
That's why I've been recoding the game from the beginning (and adding a lot of things to it).

The finale won't be a unique event and there's no particular event at the end of it all. That was a gimmick I used for season 1 as I built the game from Follower to New Coral in a totally different way.
 
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i disagree. and i'll try to elaborate. no matter how many times i choose not to be interested in kirsten, at some point the script force me to select "cuckold" or "domination" path for kirsten. since this is not a multi ending vn, and dev want to make a trilogy (there will be a sequel to this game), you do not have to be nostradamus to see that one event will finish the game, and that one event will be with kirsten or about kirsten.



this game fully deserves ntr tag.
No it does not. The game start of with Kirsten already in a relationship. You cheated on her, she moved on. That is not NTR as I understand it. At the start of the game, she is not your loved one as per definition. You cheated on her and she broke it of. She is your Ex GF.

If this is NTR, then every person living has been NTR's art some stage in his life.

So you are saying people breaking up is NTR?
 

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Hmm... My cuck sense is tingling.
How much NTR is there?
There is no NTR in the sense that I understand NTR, but there is and Ex GF in relationship with someone else, that you can apparantly proceed in a "cuck" type route.

(I'm not doing the cuck thing, so I'm unclear on this route.)
 

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There is no NTR in the sense that I understand NTR, but there is and Ex GF in relationship with someone else, that you can apparantly proceed in a "cuck" type route.

(I'm not doing the cuck thing, so I'm unclear on this route.)

I think many share your point of view (including me), but there is a clear definition of NTR and the content in this game falls under it. Even despite the fact that it has long been outdated and it's time to change it.
Personally, I have nothing against NTR if the given content is plot-justified and there is an opportunity to get avoid it.
 
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I have only one question for the developer, especially considering that he decided to rewrite many events in the game.
Will there be an opportunity to build full-fledged relationships with girls in the long term (not open relationships) or will the game focus exclusively on sex (open relationship, Banging the girls)?
I have nothing against sex, but the plot component focusing solely on this aspect quickly bothers. I would like to know what to expect from the project before deciding whether to support it or not.
 
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I have only one question for the developer, especially considering that he decided to rewrite many events in the game.
Will there be an opportunity to build full-fledged relationships with girls in the long term (not open relationships) or will the game focus exclusively on sex (open relationship, Banging the girls)?
I have nothing against sex, but the plot component focusing solely on this aspect quickly bothers. I would like to know what to expect from the project before deciding whether to support it or not.
I'm not the Dev, but as a fan of this game I will give my opinion.

I always try to play a game in character, so in this instance, given the backstory, the MC is definitely a bit of a player.
The way that I see the game, is that you are a guy that likes to stuff around, but it looks like there is opportunities for relationships.

Currently you can already have relationships with Yvette and Ashley and things with Michelle is going pretty well at the moment. Having said that, flirting is a pretty big part of the game, so I think if you do not want to flirt while having a relationship, this game might not be for you. It looks like a good relationship with one of the girls is possible, but I think the game might become a bit boring if you stop flirting with the other girls.
 
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I'm not the Dev, but as a fan of this game I will give my opinion.

I always try to play a game in character, so in this instance, given the backstory, the MC is definitely a bit of a player.
The way that I see the game, is that you are a guy that likes to stuff around, but it looks like there is opportunities for relationships.

Currently you can already have relationships with Yvette and Ashley and things with Michelle is going pretty well at the moment. Having said that, flirting is a pretty big part of the game, so I think if you do not want to flirt while having a relationship, this game might not be for you. It looks like a good relationship with one of the girls is possible, but I think the game might become a bit boring if you stop flirting with the other girls.

Thanks for the answer.
I went through this version of the game playing both types of characters. Nevertheless, I liked the game for the protagonist who was not sleeping with everyone and I did not find it boring :) It was for this reason that I asked this question. I am interested in what direction the developer will go. Will he continue to give the opportunity to pursue relationships with one girl or at some point impose sex with others (regardless of whether the player wants to or not).
I did not try to develop a relationship with Yvette and Ashley, as this is not my type of heroine- but good to know. I know about Michelle, she’s cool. But there is a heroine (Irene) who is in my priority and I really hope that after the events of Follower, the developer will provide an opportunity to develop a full-fledged relationship with her. She deserve some pure love:)
 
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Thanks for the answer.
I went through this version of the game playing both types of characters. Nevertheless, I liked the game for the protagonist who was not sleeping with everyone and I did not find it boring :) It was for this reason that I asked this question. I am interested in what direction the developer will go. Will he continue to give the opportunity to pursue relationships with one girl or at some point impose sex with others (regardless of whether the player wants to or not).
I did not try to develop a relationship with Yvette and Ashley, as this is not my type of heroine- but good to know. I know about Michelle, she’s cool. But there is a heroine (Irene) who is in my priority and I really hope that after the events of Follower, the developer will provide an opportunity to develop a full-fledged relationship with her. She deserve some pure love:)
Irene is my girl...and I'm with you on this one. I will drop all other girls if I can get Irene.
People that did not play Follower, will not get Irene like we do.

So yes, I would love a pure love route with her.

Having said that, I like that this game is unpredictable and a bit like real life. You do not always get the girl.
 
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No it does not. The game start of with Kirsten already in a relationship. You cheated on her, she moved on. That is not NTR as I understand it. At the start of the game, she is not your loved one as per definition. You cheated on her and she broke it of. She is your Ex GF.

If this is NTR, then every person living has been NTR's art some stage in his life.

So you are saying people breaking up is NTR?
it's not as simple as you said. did you forget what sort of relationship kirsten and mc were involved in? the dev described it as "crazy" one, also master <-> slave relationship.
the following scenes were in prequel "follower", so i don't want to spoil the fun to those of you who didn't played it yet.
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the mc's feelings for kirsten never changed. these are mc's words:
"but i'm going to that party... and i'm gonna get kirsten back."

now i'm gonna try something really, really mean. i know the procedure about posting a game request, and that posting a request in this way is not according to rules, and i'd hate to backstab the dev, so i'd like to elaborate why i'd like v1.2 to be posted asap. considering that major changes have been announced for v1.3, including that savegames from previous versions won't work (at least not in correct way) imho it won't be any real harm if we got early access to v1.2 which is not anymore relevant (considering that game needs the restart). all i'm asking is a dev's blessing, and some kind soul to actually upload the game, if it's ok.
 

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it's not as simple as you said. did you forget what sort of relationship kirsten and mc were involved in? the dev described it as "crazy" one, also master <-> slave relationship.
the following scenes were in prequel "follower", so i don't want to spoil the fun to those of you who didn't played it yet.
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the mc's feelings for kirsten never changed. these are mc's words:
"but i'm going to that party... and i'm gonna get kirsten back."
Nothing you are saying here is NTR, from my understanding.

My understanding of NTR: Your current love interest start having sex with a rival due to cheating/blackmail/corruption etc. causing the player to become jealous.

So first of, nothing in Follower was NTR.
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I have only one question for the developer, especially considering that he decided to rewrite many events in the game.
Will there be an opportunity to build full-fledged relationships with girls in the long term (not open relationships) or will the game focus exclusively on sex (open relationship, Banging the girls)?
I have nothing against sex, but the plot component focusing solely on this aspect quickly bothers. I would like to know what to expect from the project before deciding whether to support it or not.
Alfius has already partly answered your question.
I can tell you more about what the game will be like after the rebuild and what the project will be like at the end of season 2.
As Alfius said the game is based on flirting with more girls but there is the possibility of being monogamous.
Yvette and Ashley already have their "Girlfriend routine" and the story with Michelle is moving in that direction too.
Surely if you want to totally avoid other girls you lose a lot of content because this game more than being based on "building a relationship" is based on "finding a girl to build a relationship with..."
in rebuild I'm curing, among other things, this side of the game to make more linear some storylines even with girls with which this thing was not expected. So especially when you enter the Girlfriend routine with a girl, the score of how much you frequent her weekly will be more accurate and the consequences to that score will be more important in the relationship.
All the girls who are in "Girlfriend routine" will have a weekly event that if not done will lead to problems with the relationship.
as it already happens in the current version of the game I leave a free evening to participate in this event. other possible free evenings happen if in the main storyline is planned an event that the mc has no trigger (either because he decided that a girl does not like or because he failed to trigger it)

As far as Irene is concerned, her season 2 storyline was created to make you take an important decision about her.
For her as for most of the other girls at the end of season 2 there will be two possible scenarios. (3 if you count not having a relationship with her). To put it simply: One is the result of behaving well and the other is the result of behaving badly.
(I could start a discussion about what it means to behave well or behave badly but my English would not support me).
so, yes, There's a chance that Irene will eventually be "free for a relationship and she's really interested in you", as well as Melissa, Andrea, Adele and other girls...

So the final answer is yes. it is possible to build a relationship with one of the girls but the game does not start from a relationship already built and to be maintained, the game starts from the mc who is single and knows several girls and as he can decide if some of them (or one in particular) can interest him.

A concrete example of this development can be Michelle. at the beginning the story seems to be just sex and she herself seems reluctant to have a relationship, but as you continue in the game she gets more and more attached to you.(if you behave in the right way)

sorry for the long answer, but as you can see the game is complex and I want to explian well
 

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Nothing you are saying here is NTR, from my understanding.

My understanding of NTR: Your current love interest start having sex with a rival due to cheating/blackmail/corruption etc. causing the player to become jealous.

So first of, nothing in Follower was NTR.
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i agree with you totally.. i have the same understanding with your view of NTR
However, i want to express my understanding of how other people view NTR in porn games..

based on what i saw in other game threads where people discuss NTR, they have a quite different understanding..
i for myself didn't mind NTR, especially if its part to make the story not boring and presents different dynamic in the game..

the other people view NTR not only if the MC of the game gets jealous, but "the player" itself..
i'll try to explain their view with this game as an example, the case about kirsten or melissa..
from the start of the game the MC is not kirsten's boyfriend anymore and he is not melissa's lover whatsoever..
BUT, even the MC doesn't show any sign of jealousy of what happens to them in the game, if "the player" likes them very much from the get go and get jealous, they WILL consider it NTR..

so i can understand why this game gets the tag, i just hope dev will still stick to the original plan on how he wants to wrote the story for this game, because he is a very good dev.. and i hope this thread doesn't become a place where people fight discussing NTR, let's all just enjoy this amazing game guys.. :)
 
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it's not as simple as you said. did you forget what sort of relationship kirsten and mc were involved in? the dev described it as "crazy" one, also master <-> slave relationship.
the following scenes were in prequel "follower", so i don't want to spoil the fun to those of you who didn't played it yet.
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the mc's feelings for kirsten never changed. these are mc's words:
"but i'm going to that party... and i'm gonna get kirsten back."

now i'm gonna try something really, really mean. i know the procedure about posting a game request, and that posting a request in this way is not according to rules, and i'd hate to backstab the dev, so i'd like to elaborate why i'd like v1.2 to be posted asap. considering that major changes have been announced for v1.3, including that savegames from previous versions won't work (at least not in correct way) imho it won't be any real harm if we got early access to v1.2 which is not anymore relevant (considering that game needs the restart). all i'm asking is a dev's blessing, and some kind soul to actually upload the game, if it's ok.
In the rebuilt I'm making of the game the relationship with Kirsten is treated differently, the mc can decide between some different paths: I don't care, I want revenge, I want her back, I would do anything for her.

I want revenge and I'd do anything for her. They're obviously the Domination path and the cuckold path and they'll be separate. I want her back is a middle path, in the end there will still have to be a choice between cuckold and domination as the only way to get Kirsten back is through those two solutions. There will still be some hints that will warn you when the cuckold path has been triggered by answers

so NTR elements will be totally avoidable. Obviously if you choose the domination paths it will take some time to get to the finish line and surely Maud will try to humiliate you but you won't be forced to attend all her after parties is to be able to progress. At each party you will decide whether to go to the party and then whether or not to go to the after party.
 
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