Unity Completed Night Of Revenge [v1.0.7] [D-Lis]

[BananaJK]

And did anyone know that Dlsite japanese version still block foreigner credit card or not?
They still block the last time i use 2 year before.

 

[Buziol]

And did anyone know that Dlsite japanese version still block foreigner credit card or not?
They still block the last time i use 2 year before.

What card do you use? In my case, it did block Visa and AmExpress but traditional Mastercard and Revolut-based Visa went without issues.

 

[Josh_ua]

So, uh, what's the problem with using usual mosaic filtering from Unity, but leaving a possibility to delete/remove it through unpacking via Asset Studio and likes for those who want to enjoy it uncensored - base game is censored already and DLsite won't have any issues with that, right?

 

[BananaJK]

What card do you use? In my case, it did block Visa and AmExpress but traditional Mastercard and Revolut-based Visa went without issues.

I use Mastercard's Visual credit card.
I might had to cheak after the game release.
The old fashion Dlsite gift card is just nah.

 

[Lailaichi]

censorship? i will jus use my wild imagination

 

[aptonoth]

His backers should tell him that he can have an uncensored english translated version on Steam for English players if he wants. Just do it the Kagura games way of having the lewd stuff hosted in a patch by someone else in another country and let people DL it for free or something. Boom easy as pie.

But I imagine Steam will want it English translated.

 

[omp123]

Server hosting doesn't have to be moved at all, and "all the shit that makes the company a company" can be a little office with 5 workers. Would not be the first to do it, nor the last.

Yes it does, servers located in a country must abide by that country's laws. I'm done correcting you on this because you can't grasp VERY basic shit, so good luck with whatever it is you think you're doing.

 

[omp123]

His backers should tell him that he can have an uncensored english translated version on Steam for English players if he wants. Just do it the Kagura games way of having the lewd stuff hosted in a patch by someone else in another country and let people DL it for free or something. Boom easy as pie.

But I imagine Steam will want it English translated.

Right now he's in "I just want to finish this shit" mode and hasn't responded to any suggestions for alternate hosting atm. DLsite is the biggest, most lucrative platform for japanese porn and it's where he stands to make the most money, so DLsite is his priority atm. We won't know where else he'll take it after this, but right now it's a pointless venture to suggest moving platforms right now. People have been bombarding his twitter about Steam and Kagura this whole time, the answer isn't "say it again".

 

[omp123]

And did anyone know that Dlsite japanese version still block foreigner credit card or not?
They still block the last time i use 2 year before.

You can buy points with foreign cards and spend points on the site, that's how I make my purchases. They fairly recently merged English DLsite with regular DLsite and tweaked the acceptable payment methods.

You must be registered to see the links

Log in, go there, on the left click Purchase Points, select how many points you want to purchase, enter your email, they'll email an invoice, follow the invoice link and pay to receive a code, then go back to the mypage/point page, click Input Serial Code, and points will be added.

 

[aptonoth]

In that case sounds like he won't be releasing it on steam ever. Or any other plaforms. I'll have to wait for the fan translation and if possible fan uncensoring. If this never happens then whatever. I always knew this game was a long shot and dev sounds kind of douchy. That's okay lot's of good western and eastern dev's to support these days nothing lost here.

 

[D4n0w4r]

And did anyone know that Dlsite japanese version still block foreigner credit card or not?
They still block the last time i use 2 year before.

You can buy dlsite points with a paypal account and use that to buy games on there. I do that method in the offchance that my bank has a problem with some of my purchases.

 

[Amy_Mors]

And did anyone know that Dlsite japanese version still block foreigner credit card or not?
They still block the last time i use 2 year before.

Mine works fine, it could actually be an issue with your bank as well. I know one card works on the site, but another card from the same bank will block it for "suspicious activity"

 

[fantasyzero]

And did anyone know that Dlsite japanese version still block foreigner credit card or not?
They still block the last time i use 2 year before.

Mine works fine, Visa Prepaid.

 

[Zetsuko]

Who the fuck is dumb enough to think "hurr I'm not gonna support D-lis because Dlsite sells it and I am not supporting the law" do you honestly think Dlsite gives enough fucks about western market to do something about it? Just do it to support the developer, if you aren't Japanese the market probably isn't targeted at you anyway so what does it give you? The only one ur hurting is D-lis by this. Ur not going to change the mind of the retarded japanese government enforcing that law (sadly).

Also, it is highly unlikely that anything other than a custom made uncensor will get uploaded here, so why protest when you can love?

And who the fuck is dumb enough to read the first line of a comment and answer based on that and their fanatism? Maybe read the fact that most people who are saying they won't buy from DLSITE they will use alternative methods to try and support the developer, even if they pirate the game.

Yes it does, servers located in a country must abide by that country's laws. I'm done correcting you on this because you can't grasp VERY basic shit, so good luck with whatever it is you think you're doing.

About server hosting; The hosting might have to abide by the rules of the country, but you're oblivious to the fact that it doesn't have to be hosted in Japan. They can have multiple hosts to begin with. I doubt DLSITE is hosting their own data, and if they are, they can still perfectly get an external host to host it for them and probably save on mainteinance of their own.
Granted, IF they are hosting their own data, they wouldn't just get an external host.

DO not act all mighty with your "Done correcting you" because you're no better than anyone here and those comments to look like you're right in everything might make other people like you think you're right, but it only leaves you as a troubled kid to everyone else.

I also doubt server hosting is very basic shit for most people. Specially for people who can't even multiquote on a forum instead of posting 3 separate comments.

 

[IchigoRadiance]

You either didn't read me or you misunderstood the whole text in your -probable- fanatism causing you to think I was attacking D-Lis.

I'm literally saying to download the game and support the developer directly instead of DLSITE who's not moving a fucking finger to avoid these stupid laws, which other places do PERFECTLY avoid.

What do you want DLSite to do? Do you want them to just break the law or skirt around it? Want them to leave the country and tell all of the doujin circles to F*ck off?

The problem is the content with this artist is actually censored, but the censorship can be removed.

They've had no problem with any laws up until now, DLSITE requesting this. It's as simple as working OUTSIDE Japan as a company.

If this were a "If a Japanese artist made it, it can't be decensored or it's illegal", then why does Kagura games uncensor shit and get away with it?

Because they work outside Japan, cause they did what DLSITE should have done years ago: Get the fuck out of that heavily senseless law country as a company.

They're 100% internet based, so I don't see the problem.

Kagura games is a western publisher. They buy the license to publish outside of japan. DLSite is a doujin marketplace. Doujin circles (like DLis) self-publish their works. You do realize that if DLSite were to somehow move so it no longer had to abide by Japanese laws, they would be screwing over almost every single content creator on the site, who would not be able to self-publish anymore on it since they are still 99% Japanese.

Server hosting doesn't have to be moved at all, and "all the shit that makes the company a company" can be a little office with 5 workers. Would not be the first to do it, nor the last.



I don't know Japanese and I can't quite contact them to tell them(Not like they would listen), so instead I just don't buy their games and pay the creator if they have a donations page. Happy?

And no, I don't think I'm smarter than them; On the contrary, they're loaded with money and I'm not.
But see, that's precisely the problem; They could do this no problem, because OTHERS HAVE DONE IT BEFORE, but they just choose not to.

Oh, and just to not make you think too hard; It's not only about "allowing others to see unblurried vaginas", it's about getting the money of people who see blurried vaginas and automatically pass a game which they would not have if it wasn't censored. If you don't believe me, you've got lot of examples on this forum. Search for the tag "Censored" and check comments.

GRANTED, many people who comment here aren't going to buy the game, but the fact that there's commenters like that here means that there's a % of population from the people who do buy the games that would pass the game only because it has this hard censor.
D LIS has had no problem distributing their game with "semi-censor" until now, but now they're making them put the censor ON the drawing, meaning it can't be removed without editing it.

Ah, if you want an example, you have MEGA, for the younglings around here who love running their mouth; It was called Megaupload, and they got fined to hell. Yet, they just relocated and flipped their fingers to the law. They didn't even try to hide the name; Megaupload to Mega.

As was mentioned, Megaupload was raided and the new Mega has basically nothing to do with the original creator at this point who has called it a honeypot.

So, uh, what's the problem with using usual mosaic filtering from Unity, but leaving a possibility to delete/remove it through unpacking via Asset Studio and likes for those who want to enjoy it uncensored - base game is censored already and DLsite won't have any issues with that, right?

The line of thinking is that because it is so easy for you or I to remove the censorship, Japanese people would be able to as well. Therefore D-Lis and DLSite would be selling a psuedo uncensored work. DLSite doesn't want the japanese government breathing down their neck over this so asked D-Lis to censor the assets.

His backers should tell him that he can have an uncensored english translated version on Steam for English players if he wants. Just do it the Kagura games way of having the lewd stuff hosted in a patch by someone else in another country and let people DL it for free or something. Boom easy as pie.

But I imagine Steam will want it English translated.

I already mentioned how Steam is not the silver bullet that people think it is. Even if there wasn't the chance of being banned or rejected, D-Lis would need a publisher like kagura, and they would have to translate, which they aren't known to be speedy about. But I mean, would you really want a faster translation if it meant it was not much better than machine translation (something we already have). At the end of the day you would be mostly supporting Kagura or whoever published it on steam. And let's be real here, this is a pirate site and I bet 99% you would just pirate it just like most are going to pirate the game censored or not.


And the numbers show just how much D-Lis or DLSite should care. Most works on DLSite sell 99% to japanese users, whereas the english speaking users account for a small fraction of the sales. It is absolutely NOT in DLSite's interest to screw over the doujin circles who will have to sell elsewhere like DMM. DLSite has over 400,000 doujin works on it, all by circles typically too small to get their own publishers. And even if they did get a publisher, it would ensure they basically got nothing out of it, since really popular works sell around 5-10,000 copies (and english speakers maybe making up to 100 of those on average, and sometimes it's still in the single digits). Less popular works sell way less, and definitely couldn't afford a publisher, or the cut a publisher would ask for. Basically doujin artists would be mostly fucked because there really isn't another site like DLsite for them as far as I am aware. DMM accepts some doujin works, but they are mostly for professional stuff, from bigger japanese publishers (DLsite also has some pro stuff these works have ids that start with "VJ", but DLSite is far more known for doujin works.)

 

[Zetsuko]

What do you want DLSite to do? Do you want them to just break the law or skirt around it? Want them to leave the country and tell all of the doujin circles to F*ck off?


Kagura games is a western publisher. They buy the license to publish outside of japan. DLSite is a doujin marketplace. Doujin circles (like DLis) self-publish their works. You do realize that if DLSite were to somehow move so it no longer had to abide by Japanese laws, they would be screwing over almost every single content creator on the site, who would not be able to self-publish anymore on it since they are still 99% Japanese.


As was mentioned, Megaupload was raided and the new Mega has basically nothing to do with the original creator at this point who has called it a honeypot.



The line of thinking is that because it is so easy for you or I to remove the censorship, Japanese people would be able to as well. Therefore D-Lis and DLSite would be selling a psuedo uncensored work. DLSite doesn't want the japanese government breathing down their neck over this so asked D-Lis to censor the assets.

About them screwing up their publishers, I don't think that's strictly true. Why wouldn't they be able to public their work on DLSITE? Many companies have multiple headquarters to begin with, but I don't think they'd even need that, if they operate outside Japan. What, Japanese people are unable to post censored works to anywhere else than Japan? They'd still need to publish their works abiding by their laws, but they would not need to post the heavy censors, they could do what DLIS did initially, with which they seemed to have no problems up until now.

About Megaupload, even if the original creator has nothing to do anymore, they still basically moved place to make the same thing. Granted, tho, it's not a good example for this, thus I didn't argue anything else about the matter.


Edit; Adding to the last part of your post, like I said, they can have a literal small secondary 6 employee headquarters for "external", it's how many companies operate. This would allow them to give the games the "Kagura games" treatment without even having to translate if they didn't want to.

Oh, and thank you for actually posting an educated, respectful answer instead of being a manchild like some other people here.

 

[OriginalSin]

Whether or not DLSite can or should host themselves elsewhere to avoid Japanese censorship laws, and the morality/effectiveness of those laws is pretty much a moot point because ultimately this is a game about a one-man team making a porn game at 99% completion having to deal with the rules of the largest, most popular distributor for his primary target audience. Maybe if he gets mad successful off Night of Revenge he can pull a Senran Kagura but this late into the process it's way easier for him to just accede to DLSite's demands and look at alternatives afterwards.

 

[Zetsuko]

Whether or not DLSite can or should host themselves elsewhere to avoid Japanese censorship laws, and the morality/effectiveness of those laws is pretty much a moot point because ultimately this is a game about a one-man team making a porn game at 99% completion having to deal with the rules of the largest, most popular distributor for his primary target audience. Maybe if he gets mad successful off Night of Revenge he can pull a Senran Kagura but this late into the process it's way easier for him to just accede to DLSite's demands and look at alternatives afterwards.

Even if we're talking about this in this specific post, I don't think this game is the only game that would benefit from this, obviously.
One game is not gonna move a company, that's for sure, but I'm quite sure if making a new hosting site for this content loosened the "heavy hard baked censorship" rules to allow things like Kagura Games does, much more content would come out with soft censorship and more of the "gaijin" audience would buy from them.

 

[omp123]

About them screwing up their publishers, I don't think that's strictly true. Why wouldn't they be able to public their work on DLSITE? Many companies have multiple headquarters to begin with, but I don't think they'd even need that, if they operate outside Japan. What, Japanese people are unable to post censored works to anywhere else than Japan? They'd still need to publish their works abiding by their laws, but they would not need to post the heavy censors, they could do what DLIS did initially, with which they seemed to have no problems up until now.

About Megaupload, even if the original creator has nothing to do anymore, they still basically moved place to make the same thing. Granted, tho, it's not a good example for this, thus I didn't argue anything else about the matter.


Edit; Adding to the last part of your post, like I said, they can have a literal small secondary 6 employee headquarters for "external", it's how many companies operate. This would allow them to give the games the "Kagura games" treatment without even having to translate if they didn't want to.

Oh, and thank you for actually posting an educated, respectful answer instead of being a manchild like some other people here.

Hey ding-dong, DLsite isn't gonna move countries just to sell uncensored games. End of story. That's not even remotely reasonable.

 

[BananaJK]

Even if we're talking about this in this specific post, I don't think this game is the only game that would benefit from this, obviously.
One game is not gonna move a company, that's for sure, but I'm quite sure if making a new hosting site for this content loosened the "heavy hard baked censorship" rules to allow things like Kagura Games does, much more content would come out with soft censorship and more of the "gaijin" audience would buy from them.

Just look with japanese perspective.
Why local farmer had to try hard to ship the goods worldwide when local market with very restrict rules is enough to fill his stomach?
Even every local is okay with this restrict rules.
Foreigner is just a tiny sales compare to local. Not even count people who going to pirate compare to confirm sale on local.
If they going to censored it they don't had to care about Foreigner,
you come here to buy not them go there to sale.