Unity Completed Night Of Revenge [v1.0.7] [D-Lis]

[OriginalSin]

Even if we're talking about this in this specific post, I don't think this game is the only game that would benefit from this, obviously.
One game is not gonna move a company, that's for sure, but I'm quite sure if making a new hosting site for this content loosened the "heavy hard baked censorship" rules to allow things like Kagura Games does, much more content would come out with soft censorship and more of the "gaijin" audience would buy from them.

Doing business in another country (even something as simple as hosting) entails another set of local rules and regulations to follow as well, even for digital distribution. It's not like leaving Japan suddenly means they don't have any rules to follow. I run a business supplying goods and services to local customers, but even just doing deliveries to the next county over entails additional paperwork and permits. It could be a long-term boon but that cost-benefit analysis is something that needs to be evaluated past a snap decision. Given how so many Japanese companies seem insular and traditionalist in their management style, it's entirely possible DLSite has never considered these possibilities, but it's ALSO completely possible for them to have done some number-crunching and decided a foreign branch/subsidiary would not be profitable in the short-term or long-term.

 

[Zetsuko]

Hey ding-dong, DLsite isn't gonna move countries just to sell uncensored games. End of story. That's not even remotely reasonable.

Now compare your childish response to the responses of the 2 very respectful people below you trying to explain their point so me or anyone else can understand.

Doing business in another country (even something as simple as hosting) entails another set of local rules and regulations to follow as well, even for digital distribution. It's not like leaving Japan suddenly means they don't have any rules to follow. I run a business supplying goods and services to local customers, but even just doing deliveries to the next county over entails additional paperwork and permits. It could be a long-term boon but that cost-benefit analysis is something that needs to be evaluated past a snap decision. Given how so many Japanese companies seem insular and traditionalist in their management style, it's entirely possible DLSite has never considered these possibilities, but it's ALSO completely possible for them to have done some number-crunching and decided a foreign branch/subsidiary would not be profitable in the short-term or long-term.

Just look with japanese perspective.
Why local farmer had to try hard to ship the goods worldwide when local market with very restrict rules is enough to fill his stomach?
Even every local is okay with this restrict rules.
Foreigner is just a tiny sales compare to local. Not even count people who going to pirate compare to confirm sale on local.
If they going to censored it they don't had to care about Foreigner,
you come here to buy not them go there to sale.

I actually understand both your points, but regulations on porn in Japan are far too stupid, and I'm quite sure DLsite loses a lot of value out of their products just because of this. I'm just using this game as an example, but in reality, I'm sure this thing happens for most other games they publish; I'm not gonna buy it off of DLSITE, imma download it and pay the creator. Already said it various times, and I don't care how much does that piss other people off(Because apparently people gets pissed off thinking I don't want to support D-LIS now, which I actually want, I just don't think such a restricting site is the way)

This would not be the first company to expand with smaller versions of their own business outside their main country of operation. Hell, up until recently(A year ago?), DLSITE actually had 2 different sites for English and Japanese users, and they merged both sites, adding the English translation to the main site so they don't have 2 separate pages, so it's not outside of reason to think they could pull it off with making a small office in another country. They'd have to, indeed, check if it would be profitable...I don't think they can truly check if they don't try, though...They can't really calculate the number of users who would buy more products if they were uncensorable.

 

[Zetsuko]

Steam… pls no. Why do you guys always want to go through steam for your games. Stand alone download is much better

I don't think it's the fact that they want to go through steam...And more the fact that they want the game uncensored and don't care where they get it from...And since Steam is softer with the publishing rules, some people prefer it(Although, sometimes steam posting rules for por games are...Icky)

 

[OriginalSin]

I actually understand both your points, but regulations on porn in Japan are far too stupid, and I'm quite sure DLsite loses a lot of value out of their products just because of this. I'm just using this game as an example, but in reality, I'm sure this thing happens for most other games they publish; I'm not gonna buy it off of DLSITE, imma download it and pay the creator. Already said it various times, and I don't care how much does that piss other people off(Because apparently people gets pissed off thinking I don't want to support D-LIS now, which I actually want, I just don't think such a restricting site is the way)

This would not be the first company to expand with smaller versions of their own business outside their main country of operation. Hell, up until recently(A year ago?), DLSITE actually had 2 different sites for English and Japanese users, and they merged both sites, adding the English translation to the main site so they don't have 2 separate pages, so it's not outside of reason to think they could pull it off with making a small office in another country. They'd have to, indeed, check if it would be profitable...I don't think they can truly check if they don't try, though...They can't really calculate the number of users who would buy more products if they were uncensorable.

Well, you won't catch me dying on any hill to defend Japan's censorship laws. They're dumb and arbitrary and I have no intention to argue otherwise. The thing is, distribution and logistics are why DLsite exists. For digital goods, it's definitely possible for creators to create a direct line of access for would-be customers, but it's also something I imagine many don't want to deal with. Publishers don't just handle distribution, they also provide a level of legal protection for creators in the event of lawsuits. Their legal departments are self-serving, but an author of a book is far less capable of defending themselves from a lawsuit (frivolous or not) than the lawyers retained by say, Simon & Schuster.

Additionally, while an international subsidiary is not exactly the hardest thing to do, a subsidiary expressly created for the intention of subverting local/domestic laws opens up another can of worms altogether. DLsite is a big fish in a small pond, they don't have the power to fight the government in court the way a truly large, powerful congomerate or multinational corporation does, and the Japanese government would (if they desired) be very easily able to argue that the existence of "international DLSite" is founded on an intention to subvert their laws. Considering the overwhelming share of their income comes from the Japanese market, that's a bear that you don't poke unless you have ALL your ducks in a row.

 

[Zetsuko]

You don’t even own the game when you buy it from steam. They can force updates on games and if you deleted the older version, ur screwed. I’d take a censored standalone game on dlsite over steamshit anyday

DLSITE, where if you delete your old shit you can only download the newest shit with whatever updates they put in it?

 

[TheDennyGuy]

I hope the game releases soon so we can actually talk about, you know, the game and not Japanese law to a Dev that doesn't even go here.

 

[omp123]

Now compare your childish response to the responses of the 2 very respectful people below you trying to explain their point so me or anyone else can understand.

tbf I wanted to call you something else but the mods don't like it when I say the R-word.

And the nice people who wrote out respectful, information filled posts still had their time wasted because you don't know shit about japanese law nor servers or anything else being beat over your head in this thread. Enjoy this as a parting post as I block you.

 

[darkhrse]

Forget uncensoring, I wish this site has a feature to downvote posts into being censored.

 

[jbloggsey]

i have never seen a backed up nut do so much word damage on a porn board

 

[f9account]

As was mentioned, Megaupload was raided and the new Mega has basically nothing to do with the original creator at this point who has called it a honeypot.

Mega is 100% run by government agencies. This isn't a secret.

If you use mega, you're on their radar, and anyone who recommends it is spreading dangerous misinformation.

They do not hide the fact they regularly arrest people for uploading See-Pee.

 

[IchigoRadiance]

About them screwing up their publishers, I don't think that's strictly true. Why wouldn't they be able to public their work on DLSITE? Many companies have multiple headquarters to begin with, but I don't think they'd even need that, if they operate outside Japan. What, Japanese people are unable to post censored works to anywhere else than Japan? They'd still need to publish their works abiding by their laws, but they would not need to post the heavy censors, they could do what DLIS did initially, with which they seemed to have no problems up until now.

About Megaupload, even if the original creator has nothing to do anymore, they still basically moved place to make the same thing. Granted, tho, it's not a good example for this, thus I didn't argue anything else about the matter.


Edit; Adding to the last part of your post, like I said, they can have a literal small secondary 6 employee headquarters for "external", it's how many companies operate. This would allow them to give the games the "Kagura games" treatment without even having to translate if they didn't want to.

Oh, and thank you for actually posting an educated, respectful answer instead of being a manchild like some other people here.

The issue is that Japanese devs still have to follow the law in Japan so even if DLSite moved out of the country, nothing would really change for the better. If anything, more would end up censored since DLSite would need to follow the laws of their new country, and these laws could end up more strict even if they didn't require mosaics or censor bars. Some japanese devs self-publish on steam and the releases that don't end up rejected are all censored with mosaics or they sell a patch on dlsite that adds the adult content into the game, but with mosaics.

And as OriginalSin mentioned, it would probably not be looked upon too well if DLsite opened up a second branch specifically to skirt around Japanese law. You can try to break a law by going out of the country, but most of the time your laws still apply to you.

Now compare your childish response to the responses of the 2 very respectful people below you trying to explain their point so me or anyone else can understand.






I actually understand both your points, but regulations on porn in Japan are far too stupid, and I'm quite sure DLsite loses a lot of value out of their products just because of this. I'm just using this game as an example, but in reality, I'm sure this thing happens for most other games they publish; I'm not gonna buy it off of DLSITE, imma download it and pay the creator. Already said it various times, and I don't care how much does that piss other people off(Because apparently people gets pissed off thinking I don't want to support D-LIS now, which I actually want, I just don't think such a restricting site is the way)

This would not be the first company to expand with smaller versions of their own business outside their main country of operation. Hell, up until recently(A year ago?), DLSITE actually had 2 different sites for English and Japanese users, and they merged both sites, adding the English translation to the main site so they don't have 2 separate pages, so it's not outside of reason to think they could pull it off with making a small office in another country. They'd have to, indeed, check if it would be profitable...I don't think they can truly check if they don't try, though...They can't really calculate the number of users who would buy more products if they were uncensorable.

I already mentioned how little English speaking users actually spend on DLsite in comparison to the japanese userbase. The reason they even combined the two sites was because of how little people were using it in comparison. The difference was even more apparent back then as you would see a particular work hitting 5000 on the japanese side, while the english side just had 20 sales or less. Ironically, more english speakers were using the japanese site, be it to buy the works because they understood japanese (or didn't care, especially if the work was in japanese either way), or to find works to pirate. So when the sites became merged, the site saw more english speakers buying stuff (they were the ones buying before). Even so, English speakers make up far too little of sales to have any sway. The real issue isn't that works aren't uncensored, most people playing (whether they bought them or not) these kind of games have played them for years and it hasn't stopped them so far. It's that most of it is in Japanese only. Which is why DLSite has put a lot of effort into translating the games and manga over the years. You have the officially translated ones, and now you have ones put through a machine translator (which from what I saw wasn't as bad as most machine translations). Some devs also get their games translated, but the quality is all over the place as some are professionally translated and others thrown into google translate. Then there's DLsite's "Translators unite" circle which is basically outsourced translations done by users.


Ultimately though, I don't expect english speakers to ever take up a sizable portion of buyers even if everything had great translations, and I don't see it as happening even if everything was uncensored because the fact of the matter is that for most people, if it isn't on steam it doesn't exist. Other stores exist in the west, but everybody prefers to buy from steam and that puts developers at Valve's mercy when it comes to english speaking buyers. I've seen many devs try to sell on Steam but end up with their works rejected or banned. One dev Marmalade Star put in months of work to get one of their works on steam and in the end it was rejected, so they sold it on DLsite as a different version of a game they sold on there.

I don't think it's the fact that they want to go through steam...And more the fact that they want the game uncensored and don't care where they get it from...And since Steam is softer with the publishing rules, some people prefer it(Although, sometimes steam posting rules for por games are...Icky)

Steam is not softer with their rules. As I pointed out above and several times before, Valve's has consistently banned or rejected many games that should have had no problem, including ones that were published on console. People prefer Steam because of it's features and it is where all of their other games are, not because it has less rules surrounding content. Devs put up with it because they can make way more from steam users in a small period than they ever do on other platforms, even if their games get banned. This is only the case if it is a quick release. If a dev actually put in a lot of work to translate their game, then it is much riskier. As a result, you see a lot of trash and MTL releases on steam, because those are what Valve has incentivized.

but you can save dlsite zip files. can you save older steam versions?

You can.

 

[omp123]

They do not hide the fact they regularly arrest people for uploading See-Pee.

not a bad thing

 

[Zetsuko]

tbf I wanted to call you something else but the mods don't like it when I say the R-word.

And the nice people who wrote out respectful, information filled posts still had their time wasted because you don't know shit about japanese law nor servers or anything else being beat over your head in this thread. Enjoy this as a parting post as I block you.

You haven't demonstrated any knowledge on servers or Japanese laws and you were childish and disrespectful. All you did was talk out of your ass. Have a good day and grow up.

 

[Buziol]

I use Mastercard's Visual credit card.
I might had to cheak after the game release.
The old fashion Dlsite gift card is just nah.

I can recommend you using Revolut or something with similar functionality because you can generate on the fly the temporary credit/debit cards for one time use using both Visa and Mastercard license. Useful for shit sites where you can't trust them with card data or simply want to test what is working.

 

[Zetsuko]

The issue is that Japanese devs still have to follow the law in Japan so even if DLSite moved out of the country, nothing would really change for the better. If anything, more would end up censored since DLSite would need to follow the laws of their new country, and these laws could end up more strict even if they didn't require mosaics or censor bars. Some japanese devs self-publish on steam and the releases that don't end up rejected are all censored with mosaics or they sell a patch on dlsite that adds the adult content into the game, but with mosaics.

And as OriginalSin mentioned, it would probably not be looked upon too well if DLsite opened up a second branch specifically to skirt around Japanese law. You can try to break a law by going out of the country, but most of the time your laws still apply to you.



I already mentioned how little English speaking users actually spend on DLsite in comparison to the japanese userbase. The reason they even combined the two sites was because of how little people were using it in comparison. The difference was even more apparent back then as you would see a particular work hitting 5000 on the japanese side, while the english side just had 20 sales or less. Ironically, more english speakers were using the japanese site, be it to buy the works because they understood japanese (or didn't care, especially if the work was in japanese either way), or to find works to pirate. So when the sites became merged, the site saw more english speakers buying stuff (they were the ones buying before). Even so, English speakers make up far too little of sales to have any sway. The real issue isn't that works aren't uncensored, most people playing (whether they bought them or not) these kind of games have played them for years and it hasn't stopped them so far. It's that most of it is in Japanese only. Which is why DLSite has put a lot of effort into translating the games and manga over the years. You have the officially translated ones, and now you have ones put through a machine translator (which from what I saw wasn't as bad as most machine translations). Some devs also get their games translated, but the quality is all over the place as some are professionally translated and others thrown into google translate. Then there's DLsite's "Translators unite" circle which is basically outsourced translations done by users.


Ultimately though, I don't expect english speakers to ever take up a sizable portion of buyers even if everything had great translations, and I don't see it as happening even if everything was uncensored because the fact of the matter is that for most people, if it isn't on steam it doesn't exist. Other stores exist in the west, but everybody prefers to buy from steam and that puts developers at Valve's mercy when it comes to english speaking buyers. I've seen many devs try to sell on Steam but end up with their works rejected or banned. One dev Marmalade Star put in months of work to get one of their works on steam and in the end it was rejected, so they sold it on DLsite as a different version of a game they sold on there.



Steam is not softer with their rules. As I pointed out above and several times before, Valve's has consistently banned or rejected many games that should have had no problem, including ones that were published on console. People prefer Steam because of it's features and it is where all of their other games are, not because it has less rules surrounding content. Devs put up with it because they can make way more from steam users in a small period than they ever do on other platforms, even if their games get banned. This is only the case if it is a quick release. If a dev actually put in a lot of work to translate their game, then it is much riskier. As a result, you see a lot of trash and MTL releases on steam, because those are what Valve has incentivized.

About steam, their rules are actually "softer", BUT they just reject a lot of random shit.

I also honestly just don't like people seing I own porn games, so Steam would not be my main choice for games.

In all honesty? CI-EN offers you a way to "Place a release" on a post that you can unlock with a donation. Would've put it there besides DLSITE and try to put it in other places, as long as they don't ask for money for putting it in their platform(They'll ask for the %, but not for initially putting it there)

I can recommend you using Revolut or something with similar functionality because you can generate on the fly the temporary credit/debit cards for one time use using both Visa and Mastercard license. Useful for shit sites where you can't trust them with card data or simply want to test what is working.

If I need to buy something I tend to buy the "points" which count as 1point=1yen so you can make a better calculation on how much you have left and all...And I remember that allowing even Paypal...? Lemme double check to confirm

Yeah, just double checked, their points allow for all this;

 

[Atomsphere]

If the censor actually becomes impossible to remove I'm not supporting the work-- especially if it looks as bad as it does in the DLsite preview. Love the work so much and I held off on playing it for years. But I don't support statism and complying with bullshit policies written by pedophiles in contempt of the offices they hold (govt). Regardless what anyone says it's still very easy to provide an uncensor patch or leak it. I'll wait and see for a month or two after release to decide if I'm buying or pirating.

Fighting the leadership of Japan's pedophile cabal by not giving money to indie developers is some serious activism.

 

[Atomsphere]

Meanwhile, I hope luck got implemented and not just ripped out. I want to play meme builds.

I remember playing the demo and being excited to finally make it to a city only for it to be kind of underwhelming. Fuck I hope that got fleshed out. Also, escape mechs from rape... I hadn't seen any updates in his posts (I really hope it's not just still a button whenever you want).

 

[Zetsuko]

Fighting the leadership of Japan's pedophile cabal by not giving money to indie developers is some serious activism.

I think it's more "Fuck you" than "I'm going to bring down Japan", this comment is quite...Childish

 

[f9account]

not a bad thing

Correct. See Pee is very bad and it's good they have a honeypot set up to take out those monsters.

Now, it's still a bad idea for F95 users to upload illegal stolen content to a site run by the government to catch criminals. How long until they crack down on copyright infringement? Reminder they LITERALLY stormed the previous owner's house with army helicopters for excessive copyright infringement--And guaranteed they will do it again with other "impenetrable" sites like bunkr.

 

[CrustyJuicyNipples]

AHHHHH I"VE BEEN NO FAPPING FOR ALMOST A MONTH NOW WAITING FOR THIS GAME I WANT TO COOOOM COOOOOOOOOOOOOOM COOOOOOOOOOM PLEEASEES