BeWilder

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The game works completely fine, but when you have to option to save before proceeding to the next day the save slot doesn't appear when I try to access it at any other point. The same thing happens when I try to save during the work day. I have the mac version of the game and haven't changed any of the configurations since downloading it. Thanks for taking interest in the issue sorry if I came off as rude earlier.
A-ha!

Mac version is it? It seems we might be on to something. I had a chat with another fellow in this thread via private messages today and it seems we might be on the verge of a fix. If not, we've fixed something at least, so that's something. Talk to me in private mail too and I'll see about getting you a test of your own if you'd like. Never hurts to have two confirmations of a fix before updating, or two sources of further info on the issue whichever the case may be. Care to try it?

Fear not about the rudeness, I was thinking my partner on the other thread might have been a little rude back himself (he's the bad cop), but as it seems nobody means to be harsh, none of us have to be. Good fellow for setting the tone straight regardless! He'll see about fixing you up over there if you've still got the problem, I'll handle you here.


I dunno who Kelsey is as my game ends before she even turns up! I have deleted all previous saves and even the folder in app data but get nothing except the "Save Now" screen
Oh dear. Well, lets see what's what.

Firstly, the same questions to you as the last fellow, just so we mark off the obvious.

Did your day count run out? If so, that's the issue...
If not, are you using version v0.7? Sometimes we've had it that problem was simply an older version. Seems silly, but it can be the cause.
If neither of those, then I'mma have to see what's up.

for me the stress system was the main downside i felt i spent more time trying to manage the stress levels than actually enjoying the game but i think that could be overcome with more variant of activities to decrease stress or adding tasks in the cafe to lower stress does she like baking have her bake in the kitchen to lower stress while still increasing reputation and earning you money just things that expand on the gameplay to enhance the expierence there also feels like a lack of in game direction if it wasnt for reading walkthroughs i wouldnt have a clue on what to do. ill still be checking out the next few updates to see how it is. like i said i love the art and the story keep up the good work guys.
Alright, now we're getting somewhere for sure. Mostly Stress doesn't start to really cause Bad outcomes only until its about about 70, but some times bad ones can pop up at 50 or over. Maybe making those thresholds a little tighter on the upper scale so good outcomes are more likely to happen would be better? Also giving the girls a lv2 Day Off Outcome each might just help cut away stress faster... Food for thought as we get into the next version... Good stuff, thanks for the heads up.

As for your idea, that's kind of what the Entertain task is going to be. It'll be along the lines of say Kriem drumming, which makes a distraction for the customers and gives the servers and cooks a break, so they get lower stress that day. It does come a little late in the game for early players to enjoy it but the thresholds idea above might make it more palatable to get that far.

Now, when you say "lack of game direction", do you mean in the narrative of the story, or in how the gameplay works / mixes with the VN sections? That's an important distinction for me to note down which it is.

Debating about checking out this update. I am really bitter about when the you run out of the days you can't even play it in a sandbox fashion
We did originally have an option to keep playing after the version end message to see other scenes, but not to be able to save since it would allow for the running up of the scores as mentioned earlier today (which would just be bad for the player in the end).

Is allowing you to play after the end version but not save be an ability people would want back? I wonder...
 
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Yougiblack

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I had a save from 0.5 but for some reason it's not there anymore so I am not willing to replay the whole game so thats why I am asking if maybe I could get a save from 0.5 atleast to be updated.
 

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Want to try this since I liked the Frankie game I want to ask how much content Frankie have in this game? Is there a storyline/sexy scenes with her Son in this game?
 

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BeWilder hey so I wanted to ask if you could put a save file from the end of 0.5 right to when I start 0.6 please ? and there's no audio in the game for some reason
 

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Okay so this is a VN, which means that the gameplay is pretty railroaded apart from a few choices.

Yet I never arrive at the later scenes of the walkthrough.
No Frankie, nor Kelsey.

How can it be possible to miss this in a VN?

Also... is there... sexual content?
Apart from seeing some tits unpacked I have yet to see anything else.
 

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Just finished playing the game, but there is no sign of the Kelsey or part 15 and on of the main arc.
 

BeWilder

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Want to try this since I liked the Frankie game I want to ask how much content Frankie have in this game? Is there a storyline/sexy scenes with her Son in this game?
Not much yet. She's a secondary character who's arc is just getting started and we're focusing on Noe right now. She'll come in more in certain character arcs and when we have free scenes we'll build up more on the other girls. 'Friad to say that's the case right now.


Idk if I'm screwing something up, but is there no audio in this game?
BeWilder hey so I wanted to ask if you could put a save file from the end of 0.5 right to when I start 0.6 please ? and there's no audio in the game for some reason
Nope fellas, there's no sound. We've not got the aptitude for doing that well and the game would do better to have attention paid elsewhere for now. It's more something to consider closer to a v1.0, or atleast when we iron our some of the gameplay concerns.

To Youngiblack and the save file request, might do that for you, but first we want to get to the bottom of the story scene unlock people are reporting. No point if you'll not get the befiefit from it if their's a bug or some such, you know? We'll check back on that then, cool?


Okay so this is a VN, which means that the gameplay is pretty railroaded apart from a few choices.

Yet I never arrive at the later scenes of the walkthrough.
No Frankie, nor Kelsey.

How can it be possible to miss this in a VN?

Also... is there... sexual content?
Apart from seeing some tits unpacked I have yet to see anything else.
Last part first, yes there is. Build Noe's Romance stat to follow the Brad Arc for now since that's the most built up, once you've unlocked Frankie and have a few points there you'll get the first sex scene, then shortly after you should get the second on the couch depending on the choice made eailer.

First part now, trouble unlocking the main story? Alright so...

- What was the last Story scene you saw? Name, number or description of events is fine.
- What's your debt level at?

We'll cover those simple ones first so I can narrow down where you are and check for trigger issues. Cheers.


Just finished playing the game, but there is no sign of the Kelsey or part 15 and on of the main arc.
Same questions to you good fellow,

- What was the last Story scene you saw? I assume by your message it was #14?
- What's your debt level at?

Cheers for the report.
 
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Not much yet. She's a secondary character who's arc is just getting started and we're focusing on Noe right now. She'll come in more in certain character arcs and when we have free scenes we'll build up more on the other girls. 'Friad to say that's the case right now.





Nope fellas, there's no sound. We've not got the aptitude for doing that well and the game would do better to have attention paid elsewhere for now. It's more something to consider closer to a v1.0, or atleast when we iron our some of the gameplay concerns.

To Youngiblack and the save file request, might do that for you, but first we want to get to the bottom of the story scene unlock people are reporting. No point if you'll not get the befiefit from it if their's a bug or some such, you know? We'll check back on that then, cool?




Last part first, yes there is. Build Noe's Romance stat to follow the Brad Arc for now since that's the most built up, once you've unlocked Frankie and have a few points there you'll get the first sex scene, then shortly after you should get the second on the couch depending on the choice made eailer.

First part now, trouble unlocking the main story? Alright so...

- What was the last Story scene you saw? Name, number or description of events is fine.
- What's your debt level at?

We'll cover those simple ones first so I can narrow down where you are and check for trigger issues. Cheers.




Same questions to you good fellow,

- What was the last Story scene you saw? I assume by your message it was #14?
- What's your debt level at?

Cheers for the report.
To those not finding the savefiles when moving forward to next version... I assume you moved them to the new version folder, right?

We said it before; we dont want to save our savefiles under windows strcture (like renpy does) cause our games are for adults and we understand some people might not want a folder named NTR in ther Windows User hierarchy files (or whatever OS they are using). We solve this by saving and loading to and from the root folder where youve put our game; which means that while it is in development youll have to keep moving them forward from one version folder to the next if you want to keep your savefile running.
 

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To those not finding the savefiles when moving forward to next version... I assume you moved them to the new version folder, right?

We said it before; we dont want to save our savefiles under windows strcture (like renpy does) cause our games are for adults and we understand some people might not want a folder named NTR in ther Windows User hierarchy files (or whatever OS they are using). We solve this by saving and loading to and from the root folder where youve put our game; which means that while it is in development youll have to keep moving them forward from one version folder to the next if you want to keep your savefile running.
*that's* the reason? :ROFLMAO:
It's really ridiculous to be honest.
 

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BeWilder well you're the dev,I believe I remember the last bit of 0.5 but it's not so cool to replay whole game you know because i am tight in my timings xD
 

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*that's* the reason? :ROFLMAO:
It's really ridiculous to be honest.
Unity has a premade library to save into AppData and load from it; its literally just 2 lines of coding. I (since it was before Spook) had to program myself a savefile system from scratch in order to avoid it. So yes; the one and only reason.

If you dont mind having a folder clearly labeled as porn under your user hierarchy even after you have uninstalled the game... i guess you dont value your privacy as much as we do. You can check yourself how much garbage RenPy games have left for you sitting just there under AppData and see if you would mind someone else seeing those names. You may find it ridiculous, others (myself included) find it "the bare minimum" in the porn industry to keep our user identity private.

Also note that this; as many others; in an issue that will only happen while the game is under development cause once it is complete we will not be forced to change our folder hierarchy constantly.
 
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Last part first, yes there is. Build Noe's Romance stat to follow the Brad Arc for now since that's the most built up, once you've unlocked Frankie and have a few points there you'll get the first sex scene, then shortly after you should get the second on the couch depending on the choice made eailer.

First part now, trouble unlocking the main story? Alright so...

- What was the last Story scene you saw? Name, number or description of events is fine.
- What's your debt level at?

We'll cover those simple ones first so I can narrow down where you are and check for trigger issues. Cheers.
I will replay it and tell you about it then.

I can get that you wouldn't get any sex scenes with characters if you don't play towards them. Then again I never saw "Romance" as a stat to get something with her husband.

Are the additional characters Franky and Kelsey dependent on your stats and debt? Because if they are that would be quite atrocious.
 

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*that's* the reason? :ROFLMAO:
It's really ridiculous to be honest.
Unity has a premade library to save into AppData and load from it; its literally just 2 lines of coding. I (since it was before Spook) had to program myself a savefile system from scratch in order to avoid it. So yes; the one and only reason.

If you dont mind having a folder clearly labeled as porn under your user hierarchy even after you have uninstalled the game... i guess you dont value your privacy as much as we do. You can check yourself how much garbage RenPy games have left for you sitting just there under AppData and see if you would mind someone else seeing those names. You may find it ridiculous, others (myself included) find it "the bare minimum" in the porn industry to keep our user identity private.

Also note that this; as many others; in an issue that will only happen while the game is under development cause once it is complete we will not be forced to change our folder hierarchy constantly.
Right-o. Both have made their opinion known, and we've had a chance to explain our thinking, so best leave it at that rather than have an unnecessary fight, yeah?

Perhaps the take away here is that it would be a good idea to have a prominent note on the OP to highlight that different practice with save files so we can avoid the issue in future? I've seen OPs have notes like that before around here, right? Is that something it'd be worth doing?


BeWilder well you're the dev,I believe I remember the last bit of 0.5 but it's not so cool to replay whole game you know because i am tight in my timings xD
No, I get ya, but what I meant is that if I put up a save file but it turns out there is a bug with opening scenes as some people are noting here, it'd not do you much good. I'm looking into that possibility now but more info is needed to get to the the heart of it, it seems.

Do they only have sex with women or with guys too?
I'm not quite sure what you're asking about buddy. Do you mean is Noe only going to has lesbian sex or straight sex too? If so, likely both, but not exclusively lesbian... that'll just be a nice treat in some places.

I will replay it and tell you about it then.

I can get that you wouldn't get any sex scenes with characters if you don't play towards them. Then again I never saw "Romance" as a stat to get something with her husband.

Are the additional characters Franky and Kelsey dependent on your stats and debt? Because if they are that would be quite atrocious.
Cheers. Feedback is always helpful.

Not, not directly dependent, but they are unlocked as the main story progresses and that is driven by driving down Noe's debt. You only need it down by about $400 (to $-99600 or so) to get Frankie once enough time passes. Once unlocked, the girls progress is linked to their own earnings and their own stats are just for the gameplay, so they use is then independant of the debt/main story. Hope that helps.
 
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I'm not quite sure what you're asking about buddy. Do you mean is Noe only going to has lesbian sex or straight sex too? If so, likely both, but not exclusively lesbian... that'll just be a nice treat in some places.
The screenshots in the original post make it look like the game is lesbian only.

Thanks for the response.
 

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BeWilder You know how you can skip with TAB when you've already seen scenes once? You can maybe use that to let people skip in new versions.
Example: Someone has completed 0.5 and now has to complete 0.7 from scratch.
To prevent that do the following:
  • At the end of the previous version(0.5), give people a code before the credits that they can save for a future version.
  • When the new version(0.7) comes out, add an "unlock" menu where you can input the code.
  • When punched in, it will let every scene from 0.5 be skippable with TAB.
I don't know if this is possible, but if it is the problem would be somewhat solved.
I get that you don't want people to just skip through the story and look for codes before playing the game, but to be honest, they're only cheating themselves. Without the story, they are just pixels moving on a screen. You can get that with a quick google search.

I don't know what this type of code is called, but every choice you make builds and changes the code till you have a unique string at the end that'll do exactly what you want:
AAAABAMDAGpDCPQabN-KJSG86iWym4q-T5AzqqnAZhUn6QJVxiyc7IoLYRZvr2xqrJ69BLN8g2KGTLNo8ohARZ3TjzpYpqwqmCSq7IMRLah9MtFtGeNqR4UEB4PbNulg-FqRU1Jr24yxRUfwH9P7_oGiAOvumuA

The above is from a talent generator in a game I play. When you've picked all the ones you want, the code has grown to look like that for an instance.
The game is a series of decisions, like selecting from the talent tree that made the code above.
 
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