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Ah, I see. Well I'm glad that not everyone finds the end limit objectionable so, as I do think it's necessary in some ways. as you can see in the gameplay examples in this post, with out it you can simply grind one girl after the other without any need to really make use of your time/days efficiently, and hence I fear the game becomes more grindy and less about well planned out days, you see?

However I do agree it is a pretty abrupt end if you don't understand why it's there (and most player won't really I suppose). That I don't know how to fix though, apart from maybe a clearer message at the beginning or when it appears... Putting a scene there to contextualize it at this point wouldn't make much sense (and would feel like a bad end) when the player can continue in later versions... plus using CGs willy-nilly means less/slower sex added per version to the stories, and less gameplay too (we have lots of Gameplay CGs that need adding). It's a bit of a conundrum.

I'm glad that an improved progress tracker sounds like a serious solution, because it is something we can and should do in upcoming versions anyway, so if it can be such a big help to the player experience then wonderful. I guess we'll just have to try it and see if it is a panacea for most of our issues or plaster to cover over the superficial ones... as long as we keep trying to make Noemi better though, we're on the right track, eh?
Yeah i agree with you, and after replaying it, the amount of days is more then enough to see all the events. Looking forward to the new additions and thanks for taking your time to address these comments. Keep up the good work.
 

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Cheers.

Good question. We do have a plan in mind for that, but let's tease it out some a head of time now so we can see what it might look like in action, and if there is stuff we should be looking out for, shall we? Oh... By the way, just to clarify, only Waitressing earns money, the other jobs increase money for the waitress(es) of the day, not the performer... Just mentioning that as it's in the mentioned question but it's worth pointing out and correcting.

Essentially our plan for making the gameplay a better strategy experience (ie, making it worth putting Noe and the girls in various positions) is to simply add content for the other girls to give the player more to unlock and enjoy, incentivizing a flexible play style. As it is now, the planning is flat since only Noe really has any content that needs some time to unlock as $200 can be earned in a day for the other girls right now.

It's a simple plan, but it looks more complicated than it is. I'll break it down in an example here.

(Please Note: When the gameplay is filled out more, all 3 waitresses will be trainable in all 3 of their stats, so any girl can potientially be built for any role(s) given time and training. Noe will also have content for all stats as well, so she will be worth building up in several areas. These examples also assume you are handling each girls stress and things like rep, so it's not included but you know it's there.)


Currently
So... For now the only girl who needs anything more than $200 is Noe, so she's always waitressing. The other girls have their own starter stats that lend to set jobs too, so that means your daily roster should look like this most of the time...

Waitress: Noe, Vacant. (Earning Tips/Unlocking Content)
Cook : Frankie (Adding Multiplier to Waitress Tips)
Entertainer: Kriem (Adding to Waitress Tips and Reducing Stress Gain for Others)
Promo: Kelsey (Earning Rep to Increase Waitress Tips/Mitigate Trap Damage/Allow more Proactive Days)

You don't need much change other than to avoid stress and things like that. Let's look at what happens when we have two girls worth earning stuff.

2 Girls
In this situation, we'll assume we've got another girl with content to follow. We'll say Frankie as she'll make for the starkest strategy change. In this case we'll say she has 10 scenes to unlock and needs $5000 in tips earned to unlock them, along with the content Noe has on offer. To get Frankie's content you'll need to use her in the waitressing job, it's the only way she can increase her cash/tips total.

So now you have this:

Waitress: Noe, Frankie. (Earning Tips/Unlocking Content)
Cook: Vacant (Empty - No Bonuses)
Entertainer: Kriem (Adding to Waitress Tips and Reducing Stress Gain for Others)
Promo: Kelsey (Earning Rep to Increase Waitress Tips/Mitigate Trap Damage/Allow more Proactive Days)

Aahh... Wait... Now we have a kink in the plan, and not the good kind. With Frankie waitressing, nobody is cooking, so you've lost as much as a x3 mutliplier, on both Noe and Frankie's earnings. You've got some options though... You can use Kelsey or Kriem as the cook instead, but that means you lose the perks of one of the other jobs. The other option is to use Noe (who if you follow the Damon or Brad Arcs will be well trained in romance) as a cook and pump up Frankie's earnings. Your days will be spent alternating Noe and Frankie in the jobs, and/or training up another girl to be a good cook.

Now what about 3 girls? or 4?


3 Girls
In this situation, we'll assume we've gone up another step or two. In this case we'll say Kelsey and Frankie have 10 scenes to unlock each and each needs $5000 in tips earned to unlock them, along with the content Noe has on offer. Now you have to get Kelsey and Frankie both to earn tips, as well as Noe.

So now you have this each day:

Waitress: 1 or 2 of Noe/Frankie/Kelsey.
Cook: Possibly Vacant
Entertainer: Kriem (?)
Promo: Possibly Vacant

A new ruffle in the plan, you can only have two waitresses each day, so you can't get all 3 earning every day. You'll need to either use one primary waitress each day and cover your bases elsewhere, in which case Noe will fill in and take over whatever spot the floor worker would normally fit, or you'll have two floor workers and a vacancy with your fourth girl (in this case Kriem) trying to sure up the areas you are leaving blank by moving around.

Same thing happens with 4 girls actively going for content, only it's more musical chairs than with 3, you see?

Now, it is possible that given Noe will need more money overall to pay off her debt than the other girls each need to see all their arc, than the player will keep using Noe as a waitress most of the time. That will however be up to player discretion as always, but it will likely cost them as through scenes Noe will naturally become pretty skilled at all the jobs even without a lot to training (a bit like a jack of all trades until you focus in on one), plus you won't see all her possible outcomes if you still yo one job all the time (true for all the girls).

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So how does that seem to fit as a way to encourage some flexible work rostering for all you girls? It really becomes a question of when and how much side content we can get in don't you think? All in good time, once we give Noe some more sexing to find first after all, and maybe some more Sal scenes to intensify the story and the battle between them as we go on. If only we could do them all at once... If only...
In truth I'm not sure how I feel about that.

On one hand I feel it looks good on paper if played in a very strict way to accomplish the end goal, but ultimately sacrificing fun for a rigid playstyle, as you stated "That will however be up to player discretion as always, but it will likely cost them".

On the other hand I'm only looking at it through it's current development state. Maybe with a tracking system plus any other QoL changes between now and when those other scenes are introduced it'll play smoother. Hell with the tracking system it might just feel like there's more breathing room to experiment as a player and know what you want to pursue.

I guess I'm on the fence with this one. So I'll just wait and see.
 

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A little fan art while we wait...

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1 Guess as to where I live... :)
Firstly, let me address this one out of order since it's special.


Fabulous. Simply fabulous. I'm pretty damn happy to see that Noe and the game can inspire somebody enough to want to create up their own expressions of her. Very good stuff indeed, and thanks for sharing. I even got a little laugh out of her choice of underwear in this as it's straight out of Frankie's closet, the idea of her sharing her naughty stuff is smile inducing. Might I say... Keep up the good work, I'd love to see more.

We have a (so far seldom used) fan creation corner on our Discord, I assume you don't mind these find their way there, do you?

Oh... and as to the guess at where you live... I'm going to say... On the Counter Balance? By that I mean the small place in Antarctica where the screw that keeps the globe spinning meets the Earth and gives it a counterbalance so it stays at an angle. Am I right?

(PS.You might be happy to know that Seattle has a small roll in potential future beWilderverse content, if I ever turn my passion idea into a proper project. Isn't that nice?)



Now, back to the other stuffs!


Yeah i agree with you, and after replaying it, the amount of days is more then enough to see all the events. Looking forward to the new additions and thanks for taking your time to address these comments. Keep up the good work.
Well cheers then. We're looking forward to the new additions too as always. We'll keep aiming to keep the good work up to, and here'ts to the game getting better over time. We might not get everything right, but we'll keep trying until we've got something damn good. I'm sure we can agree on that.


In truth I'm not sure how I feel about that.

On one hand I feel it looks good on paper if played in a very strict way to accomplish the end goal, but ultimately sacrificing fun for a rigid playstyle, as you stated "That will however be up to player discretion as always, but it will likely cost them".

On the other hand I'm only looking at it through it's current development state. Maybe with a tracking system plus any other QoL changes between now and when those other scenes are introduced it'll play smoother. Hell with the tracking system it might just feel like there's more breathing room to experiment as a player and know what you want to pursue.

I guess I'm on the fence with this one. So I'll just wait and see.
Well I guess we will just have to see how it turns out in practice.

I didn't mean to over-complicate it in my above example, but at the same time I don't think it is as harsh may sound. I didn't mean when I said "it will cost them" that we will be forcing a single way to play or be punitive, but actually the opposite. Let me try it again but in a simpler way, yeah?


What we are aiming for is that by the time all the features/activities/content lines are mostly complete, the player will have the freedom to shape all the girls into whatever role specialists or jack of all trades they'd like. They'll be free to build a team based around Frankie as a promo girl and Kriem as a cook if they'd like, it'll just need a bit more of an investment in stats to get there. It'll be up to the player which girls they want to focus on to build up tips, or if they want to rotate them around, but ultimately the girls you use to Waitress the most will see the most content. If you manage things well you can still get everyone, it's if you play a very rigid style the whole way through (ie. Always Noe waitressing and nobody else) that you may miss out things by not exploring. It's all about being flexible, not just grinding each day through.


Alrighty... Does that help? My basic point is that when we have more for the other girls content wise, it'll become a good idea for people to use Noe in other jobs since she's pretty skilled across the board. If they don't, they might make things a bit harder on themselves (depending on other girls skills) but not nessisarily exclude themselves from content, thereby rewarding flexible players. That's the answer to the original question of how we plan on getting Noe out of eternal floor working...



... Anyways, best not take my wordy explanations for it... As I said to start this message, let's see how it works out in practice yeah? If it's not working, well, we can look to more ways to do better, can't we?



so no content at all in this game oor?
I'm going to take the "oor" option, please Rey.

There is content, yes. 53 scenes, at least 8 of them sexual scenes (not counting ones with Nudity but no significant touching). The main concern is that these are so far mostly foreplay like scenes, of handjobs/titwanks/69s/secret masturbations etc and not penetrative sex, but then again we are still working on creating the 75% of the game where that is most prevalent.

So simply put, yes content, and yes even better content to come, but yet to everyone's expectations or tastes. Might be to yours though... I mean, the 69 sex for example is like 14 CG+ long (the full scene around it in longer) and it's got a lot of hotness in it, so it's not like nothing happens.

Enjoy, or wait if you like, it's all good. Hope that helps.
 

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I am going to create a separate fan art page for beWilder, but I thought I would share a few more more. (what can I say, I am obsessed with Noe...) I wondered what Noe would do, if Sal's horrible food eventually turned everyone into zombies...

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I am going to create a separate fan art page for beWilder, but I thought I would share a few more more. (what can I say, I am obsessed with Noe...) I wondered what Noe would do, if Sal's horrible food eventually turned everyone into zombies...

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Heh... Sweet.

Good stuff man, and kudos on getting better with the likeness. I too find Noe obsess-worthy. I bet we're not the only ones.

Do let us know if/when that fan art thread comes to be. Certainly wouldn't mind checking in here and there, help keep the spirit up and good work rolling on my end. It's always cool to know what we're making is enjoyed by folks and we're not just throwing hours to the wind each and every day.


Remember folks, keep upping Noe's Competitive stat, or the horde'll get ya! You need fighting spirit to take down enemy businesses and enemy corpses! Muhahaha
 

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Question from a small part of the community (me) to the F95 Noemi community (except me):

What scenes would you like to see (with some regard of the storyline):

1. Brad selling off Noemi to Sal to prevent himself from going bankrupt personally. (it's nothing personal honey!)
2. Damon turning out to be Roy's nephew or something to add some complications.
3. Noemi losing poker to other characters like Sal or Roy and Damon.
4. Noemi's place losing a competition event to Sal's bar and having to service them as a reward. (no not just drinks i'm afraid)
5. Noemi's place losing a competition event to Sal's bar and having to service them naked as a reward. (just drinks i'm afraid)
6. Sal sending Alice and Beth to seduce Brad. Then using that to get blackmail leverage on Brad so he can get to Noemi. (attacking the foundation)
7. Roy being trusted with something by Noemi and then betraying her to Sal. Then Sal offering Noemi up as reward to Roy. (oh the joys of betrayed trust, shocker)
8. Damon being attracted to Frankie as well and Frankie getting involved with a jealousy game with Noemi. Which they end up settling with Damon in the middle.
9.More scenes with Alice and Beth
10. Sal tuning out to be just a minion of the real boss of the restaurant chain: Mac Santa Clause the frigid clown of the NorthWest. (because coming up with 10 isn't easy!)
11. Could totally come up with more but the number 10 intimidated me.
 
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My good man BeWilder this update will the relationship between Noemi and Damon be the same or will it take a step forward?
My equally good sir, the reason we're continuing with a (mostly this time) content focused release on Damon again is because we've still got things to advance too, rather than standing still. We have said a lot we're aiming to add more sex to the game and not just sexy, so it should be all good. We learned from the Beck arc that it was too early in that thread to create a pause point and we're not aiming to do the same again now.

So to put it simply, things are going to get pretty messy for Noe, in more ways than one even (depending on your choices).

Hope that helps make it all the more to look forward too.


Question from a small part of the community (me) to the F95 Noemi community (except me):

What scenes would you like to see (with some regard of the storyline):

1. Brad selling off Noemi to Sal to prevent himself from going bankrupt personally. (it's nothing personal honey!)
2. Damon turning out to be Roy's nephew or something to add some complications.
3. Noemi losing poker to other characters like Sal or Roy and Damon.
4. Noemi's place losing a competition event to Sal's bar and having to service them as a reward. (no not just drinks i'm afraid)
5. Noemi's place losing a competition event to Sal's bar and having to service them naked as a reward. (just drinks i'm afraid)
6. Sal sending Alice and Beth to seduce Brad. Then using that to get blackmail leverage on Brad so he can get to Noemi. (attacking the foundation)
7. Roy being trusted with something by Noemi and then betraying her to Sal. Then Sal offering Noemi up as reward to Roy. (oh the joys of betrayed trust, shocker)
8. Damon being attracted to Frankie as well and Frankie getting involved with a jealousy game with Noemi. Which they end up settling with Damon in the middle.
9.More scenes with Alice and Beth
10. Sal tuning out to be just a minion of the real boss of the restaurant chain: Mac Santa Clause the frigid clown of the NorthWest. (because coming up with 10 isn't easy!)
11. Could totally come up with more but the number 10 intimidated me.
And a question from one Noemi fan (me) to another (you)... What are you interested in these questions/scenarios for, if I may ask?

I don't mean that as a negative, I'm just curious as to what inspired you to compile and ask these things specifically. Are you simply sharing some ideas and hoping to spark some back and forth conversation, or is it idea fodder for something else? I'm interested to see what the people come up with and chit-chat about when the go into Speculate Mode. It can be fun stuff.

Also, a thanks and kudos for getting all the character names right. There are several people just not as fanish as you seem to be that don't remember (referring to Alice and Beth as just Sal's waitress girls or some such), so I appreciate it when I see people liking the small details.
 

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More like sharing idea's and initiating a conversation. I do not see it as speculation about the plot because if some of these idea's should be in the plot (which you know not me) i do not want to know until it's in the game itself. I prefer my spoilers at the moment they spoil...wait that does not sound right.

I COULD make a speculation but do not want to. I want to hear what the community comes up with.
 

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For sure, thank you always for your attention and answers.

The hype for the new update was already high and grew even more.

Congratulations on the wonderful work.
 

BeWilder

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BeWilder, can we expect Noemi to get more hands on with Beck instead of the car in the new car wash scenes?
Sorry, but no. Mostly because there are no new Car Washing scenes in the next version, just the added Downtime Repeatable we showed off so Noe can earn more money on her days off. She is getting more and more pulled into making a show of herself while she's doing it though, so that's nice.

As I mentioned in a recent previous post, we've come to the conclusion we paused Beck's arc a bit too early in an attempt to open up other content. We'll likely expedite his return for at least a few more scenes with him and rope Kelsey in some more too, but not in the immediate future. We've still got to get in a good dose of Asana, Sal and one of Kriem/Frankie/Kelsey (not necessarily in that order or each at once) so we can balance out the stats usage, have more villain scenes and add more layers to the gameplay (explained earlier) / have more than just Noe in sexy content. Beck will have to wait for at least that much before he's in focus again, or else pepper in a scene here and there while we're doing those ones arcs as the primary in development.

Basically, bigger fish to fry before Beck really gets nasty in the nearest future I'm afraid.
 

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Sorry, but no. Mostly because there are no new Car Washing scenes in the next version, just the added Downtime Repeatable we showed off so Noe can earn more money on her days off. She is getting more and more pulled into making a show of herself while she's doing it though, so that's nice.

As I mentioned in a recent previous post, we've come to the conclusion we paused Beck's arc a bit too early in an attempt to open up other content. We'll likely expedite his return for at least a few more scenes with him and rope Kelsey in some more too, but not in the immediate future. We've still got to get in a good dose of Asana, Sal and one of Kriem/Frankie/Kelsey (not necessarily in that order or each at once) so we can balance out the stats usage, have more villain scenes and add more layers to the gameplay (explained earlier) / have more than just Noe in sexy content. Beck will have to wait for at least that much before he's in focus again, or else pepper in a scene here and there while we're doing those ones arcs as the primary in development.

Basically, bigger fish to fry before Beck really gets nasty in the nearest future I'm afraid.
Can't say I'm not disappointed, but that's on me I guess. I was expecting the downtime repeatable stuff to lead up to shorter contained sex scenes, not like an entire scene but a small short scene (since they're only 1 frame) that would allow you to get to the naughtier stuff quicker, but also earn money faster.
 

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Can't say I'm not disappointed, but that's on me I guess. I was expecting the downtime repeatable stuff to lead up to shorter contained sex scenes, not like an entire scene but a small short scene (since they're only 1 frame) that would allow you to get to the naughtier stuff quicker, but also earn money faster.
Sorry, there might be some confusion here. The repeatables are not individual CGs in one bigger scene at add up over time to one interaction, no. Is that what you mean?

Each one is a single CG scene summing up a day, and each take place days / weeks apart with time passing between. They do however have a simply arching narrative and get sexier/more profitable, yes. As time passes Noe gets fed up washing Becks car for example. She's not into the ritual humiliation, and she wants the money... Hence she gives in and gets whorish as time goes by.

Each of these have about 10 planned CGs in the chain, maybe more depending on how much we have to expand stat caps, but since we already have 700+ Gameplay Outcomes planned we don't want to have to add more. So far we're up to 4 with Car Wash (including the next version's added one that we used in our Public Teaser). So Noe is up to purposefully pushing her tits to the glass while being pissed at him. She'll probably never not be pissed at them, but by the time we're on the 10th one, it should indeed be much more spectacle and a lot less car washing...! Same goes for when Kelsey helps out.

Hope that helps dissuade your disappointment.
 
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