VN Ren'Py Nothing Is Forever [v0.7.3] [MrSilverLust]

[holdenmarchsvu]

some good points here.

i think to some extent MC has to start "ok with anything" for these games to work, but in good games there is a system where the choices made eventually color and shape MC's responses; past experiences/decisions condition possible future responses.

And to be a "realistic" dating sim with multiple LI's, routes, tons of interactions this inevitably leads to the need for completely separate branching paths, and more the paths branch the more cumbersome the entire thing becomes to execute and maintain, at which point the whole thing can spiral out of control due to scope and scale

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

And to be a "realistic" dating sim with multiple LI's, routes, tons of interactions this inevitably leads to the need for completely separate branching paths, and more the paths branch the more cumbersome the entire thing becomes to execute and maintain, at which point the whole thing can spiral out of control due to scope and scale

True, or until devs start coming up with some slicker methods for the coding.

I'm no python wiz I'm just brainstorming; stuff like a relationship class which upon instantiation checks and invalidates other incompatible relationship paths so the dev doesn't have to write out these checks by hand....

 

[dolfe67]

True, or until devs start coming up with some slicker methods for the coding the thing.

I'm no python wiz I'm just brainstorming; stuff like a relationship class which upon instantiation checks and invalidates other incompatible relationship paths so the dev doesn't have to write out these checks by hand....

It's not a code problem, it's a design issue

 

[Dragon59]

I think that the developer was making a little bit of a social statement. In this world, people's sexual kinks reflect who they are both inside and outside of the bedroom. In this world, personal character and sexual kinks are inseparable from each other. I think that's also why the developer ties sexual skills to character traits as well. Who you are as a person determines what you want and do in the bedroom. I think that's what this game emphasizes. That's my take on it anyway.

I think you've come close to what I was thinking. Ideally, every woman in a game would have a unique personality, unique experiences that lead them to be attracted to certain men and not others. Using their kinks as a differentiating quality may be a bit simplistic, but it ads a bit more to the simulation of a real situation IMHO.

This still gives the player plenty of plenty of options, plenty of choices, as long as they understand that they'd have to accept/choose an entire package. They can't dismantle an LI's personality and expect her to ignore what you don't like. It happens in the real world, but it doesn't make for a good relationship.

For sure, but it's not black and white, all or nothing.

I've never known a girl or guy, lets say was into rough sex who would turn down having sex with someone they were super into because they other person didn't jam their head into the mattress every single night. If they refused to partake at all, that'd be another thing, but most people are far more reasonable and flexible when it comes to interactions with people they care about.

Actually, I have. I have one friend who was considering me as a partner near the beginning of the pandemic, but only if I could give her the rough sex she craved after she left her abusive Dom. She already had her husband for vanilla sex. She was looking for people who could match her kink needs.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Actually, I have. I have one friend who was considering me as a partner near the beginning of the pandemic, but only if I could give her the rough sex she craved after she left her abusive Dom. She already had her husband for vanilla sex. She was looking for people who could match her kink needs.

I can imagine this being valid, I was assuming in the context of relationships, where each member is solely responsibly for the other's sexual experiences and vice versa. To take it even further, I can definitely imagine a woman who's sexually active with 3+ guys at once, one is the romantic one, one is the rough one, etcetc.

But that's not analogous to the game situation since we're talking about with 1-on-1 relationships. You're talking from the perspective of the "other guy", ala Carl on Jen sub path. Would it be surprising Jen only wants that kind of sex with Carl? No, not at all, but he's not the primary one in the relationship, not the "base of operations" so to speak. Or simply put, that's a purely sexual relationship as oppposed to the primary being both sexual and emotional.

 

[Fusidrive]

I found the issue. In chapter 5, while visiting Emma, you have the option to show her porn or not. If you show, you have the option to have a lewd scene with Emma or to stop anything you have with her by telling her you have someone else (Lea). If you don't stop, you cheat.

I was assuming that, at the start of chapter 5, all players either cheated or broke up with Emma, and forgot that you can just not show Emma any porn to start with! In that case the game would, incorrectly, assume you're still interested in her (and have already cheated if you're Lea's girlfriend!) and present you with the dinner scene. I think that's what it's happening and it's not meant to happen.

So, I'll make another clause: if you don't show Emma porn, and you don't kiss her at the end of chapter 5, you miss your chance with her and are excluded from her future paths. In case you show her porn, you either have to break up right there or cheat on Lea. All possible paths should be covered. Sounds reasonable?




The above will also work for any other girl, like Jen. Avoiding Emma's scenes on chapter 5 and not kissing her at the end of chapter 5 will be enough to push her away from a romantic path and stay only with Jen.



The bad news is that you both will have to load an old save (once the next patch is out) and play the 2nd half of chapter 5 and the whole chapter 6 again to go to your preferred path :\ I'm sorry about that.

But thanks for bringing this up and help finding the plot holes in the story.

Oh, I figured something must have been missed. But yeah that's fine. When you say the next patch do you mean we have to wait till 0.7 or will it be a bug fix in the coming days for 0.6?

 

[Dragon59]

I can imagine this being valid, I was assuming in the context of relationships, where each member is solely responsibly for the other's sexual experiences and vice versa. To take it even further, I can definitely imagine a woman who's sexually active with 3+ guys at once, one is the romantic one, one is the rough one, etcetc.

I've definitely seen that happen as part of the philosophy that "you can't realistically expect one person to match all your needs--that's a lot of pressure." It's often considered one reason a number of modern marriages don't last (by modern, I mean where both members had an adult life before marriage and may continue to have separate lives at work and with friends).

But that's not analogous to the game situation since we're talking about with 1-on-1 relationships. You're talking from the perspective of the "other guy", ala Carl on Jen sub path. Would it be surprising Jen only wants that kind of sex with Carl? No, not at all, but he's not the primary one in the relationship, not the "base of operations" so to speak. Or simply put, that's a purely sexual relationship as oppposed to the primary being both sexual and emotional.

Good point. You might expect the MC to be doing that, though.

I still consider this to be criteria set up so that the MC can choose to be compatible to some, but not necessarily others. A simplified simulation of a very complex system that actually plays into human attraction. Maybe one of our developers will one day create the perfect algorithm to simulate it in a game. It remains something I'm working on in my mind for a couple of my larger games down the road.

 

[John_Retcliffe]

Thank you so much for sharing your awesome game with us normal folk!

 

[Ursus4321]

please if anyone can help. Suddenly my pc no longer plays the animations. Now I just get a black screen with the text. Does anyone know what could have happened? Thank you very much

 

[Jack Townsend]

After the encounter with Deb and Carl, the MC later has a talk with Deb about it and about relationships in general. At one point the MC says, "Maybe we should have one partner that will help us raise children and keep the household going, one kinky partner to make our depraved sides happy, and another vanilla partner to cuddle with and watch a movie together." First, what are your thoughts on this statement? Second, what three women in the game would best fit each of these categories?

 

[gregers]

what are your thoughts on this statement?

I think it is exactly the sort of sophomoric nonsense that I'd expect from this MC. Sounds profound if you don't think about it for more than two minutes.

 

[08Hanbo]

Can't have picked any of her sub options, requires the Power/Strength skill from the Manly group. I don't think it requires the MC to have done the bull scenario with her and Carl, but it wouldn't hurt.

Thank you. I will try

 

[MrSilverLust]

please if anyone can help. Suddenly my pc no longer plays the animations. Now I just get a black screen with the text. Does anyone know what could have happened? Thank you very much

Try the suggestions in this thread.

It seems to be the same problem you're having.

 

[EndlessNights]

After the encounter with Deb and Carl, the MC later has a talk with Deb about it and about relationships in general. At one point the MC says, "Maybe we should have one partner that will help us raise children and keep the household going, one kinky partner to make our depraved sides happy, and another vanilla partner to cuddle with and watch a movie together." First, what are your thoughts on this statement? Second, what three women in the game would best fit each of these categories?

I think it's totally normal to feel that way sometimes if you're in a relationship with someone who isn't meeting all your needs...like pretty much all relationships. It's certainly a very relatable sentiment to me. In practice, though, I'd still prefer to stick with one partner who isn't perfect and go through all the highs and lows of life with her rather than have a bunch of fragmentary relationships with different people. What is described wouldn't even be polyamory because you wouldn't be having a full-fledged relationship with each person. Instead, each person would be fulfilling a very specific role in your life...and you could more or less approximate the situation by simultaneously having a girlfriend, nanny, and friend. What a Lothario?!

As for who would best fit each role...

1. Mother: I think all the women in the game could be great moms and wives with the possible exception of Kim who doesn't come across as very motherly and might resent the constant demand on her time that a kid would entail. On the other hand, I wouldn't rule out Kim loving a child who is hers. It would be hilarious if she turned out to be an overprotective micromanager type of parent and totally embraces the mom role. I feel a bit uncertain about Olivia. She probably wouldn't want to have kids -- not even through adoption -- while she's still unsure of her Huntington's status because the disease is so debilitating. However, I think she'd be a wonderful mother if she ever gets the chance.

2. Kinky partner: This one would really depend on your personal kinks of course so different people will give completely different answers. I think an MC with my vanilla skills would be most appreciated by Bri, Lea, or Olivia with Bri the definite best fit.

3. Movie partner: I think it could be fun to watch a movie and cuddle with each one of the ladies. My big concern would be that Emma and the MC might launch into some bitter, knock-down drag-out argument midmovie over something really silly, but the two are able to pleasantly watch a movie together (if you turn down the porn watching) in the previous update. I'd go with Bri, Deb, and Olivia as my top movie dates because I can imagine having a really spirited and intelligent discussion about the movie with them without it descending into rancor and personal attacks.

 

[Jack Townsend]

My ideal polyamorous harem would have Emma as my Manly (maledom) relationship, Deb as my Sensitive (femdom) relationship, and Bri as my Neutral (vanilla) relationship.

 

[DarknessDai]

so since in the Jen path where jen and the MC are both sub and want Dom Bull in their relationship , can we see more of the bull taking full control of the relationship ? cages and these spicy sutff with BULL/Jen

 

[J1215]

Damn... can't wait to play this game. Kim,Leah , Emma and deb...best girls for me. How about you guys

(After last update):
I like the most:
1.Deb
2.Cathy

 

[???????????]

Well I'm looking forward to Emma, Jen and Kim next update. Especially Kim on the sub route.

 

[RayJefferson]

At first I found the game not beautiful with these characters but the writing, the music, the characters are so well designed that I ended up changing my mind, it's a very good game, Kim and Emma are my favorites
I think it's already been reported but there is no animation after the hotel scene with Jen, is that intentional?

 

[Gildor72]

Bit late to the party, but I just played the update 6.1 and I absolutely loved it! The writing is as strong as ever, there were some fun moments like the tennis match with the lads, and the Kim content was amazing! And I may be a minority in this, but well done with the BBW!! The models looked fantastic, and as a FA myself I really appreciated the addition of that content.