VN Ren'Py Nothing Is Forever [v0.7.3] [MrSilverLust]

[K115]

Aight Imma butt in because people bitching about updates of VN games with multiple LIs really ticked me off. A VN with multiple love interests and reactive dialogue that takes all relationships into account with also 2 different paths on each LI is a gigantic task, Idek how folks got the idea that every update would be as quick as the earlier updates or that they would be bountiful in content for every girl every update. Every update the dialogue and relationship flags get more convoluted because more and more events happen. As more events happen, more flags should be created and checked for dialogue consistency. As time goes on it is to be expected for updates to reaaaally slow down. It will get to the point where some LIs will end up sidelined every update or so in favor of other plot relevant or more popular girls. It doesn't mean the route will be completely abandoned, it only means that you just have to wait longer.
To Patrons, it sucks if you subscribed out of your major interest on a unpopular LI (like, let's say Kim or Deb), but it's also not something unexpected. I'm not saying you should shill regardless if you get progress on your niche, actually, it'd make more sense to unsubscribe if you feel like you're not going to get what you want and just wait until progress has been made on your preferred girl to support again, or until the VN gets finished. No reason to be a jerk to the creator for writing the story as he sees fit.

Personally, I love NiF, it's fun to read. I can vouch for the maledom, cuckolding, sharing and some vanilla scenes that the scenewriting is hot. The characters are pretty amazing and one of them even feels novel in the Visual Novel experience. The wait right now is grueling, and painfully long which in turn makes what content we get seem like so little compared to the wait (imo probably a sign it should wrap up soon before it gets worse). But it is still a good and engaging story that is worth the wait for how well it's done. MrSilverLust if you're reading this, I wish you luck to finalize the story in a satisfying manner for both your readers/subscribers and to you. So far, it's been a fun ride. Keep up doing good work

 

[ShadowLover]

THERE IS NO netorare, its false advertising... yet to see any so called netorare content in this game what so ever....

 

[K115]

THERE IS NO netorare, its false advertising... yet to see any so called netorare content in this game what so ever....

This site has a tag problem that was gonna supposedly be solved as we were supposed to get new tags that would help further differentiate games with more tags we lack but clearly need. Such as the Netorase tag that this game falls into. Netorase is all with consent from all parties involved which is untrue for Netorare so while you would be justified in feeling this way, there's nothing the dev can do about it since f95 still has many netorare variants fall under the same giant umbrella of the Netorare tag. Although I would argue there is netorare happening at one point in the game, it just doesn't happen to you specifically, and it's also not up in your face about it, I still wouldn't tag this VN with Netorare, but a character is indeed being cheated on without their consent or knowing.

 

[Bleh21]

THERE IS NO netorare, its false advertising... yet to see any so called netorare content in this game what so ever....

There is cuckolding. And NTR is the closest tag that comes to cuckolding.

 

[NeoStarr]

They don't look bad but is it just me or do these models look dated?

 

[MrSilverLust]

THERE IS NO netorare, its false advertising... yet to see any so called netorare content in this game what so ever....

I didn't tag it with NTR myself, some mod added it, presumably due to some reporting. Personally, I wouldn't add it, but I've also just ignore it. The community should decide how to tag the games, not me.

Netorase is all with consent from all parties involved which is untrue for Netorare so while you would be justified in feeling this way, there's nothing the dev can do about it since f95 still has many netorare variants fall under the same giant umbrella of the Netorare tag.

There is cuckolding. And NTR is the closest tag that comes to cuckolding.

I, personally, disagree with this. Looking at the tags, netorase/cuckolding scenes in the game perfectly falls under the swinging tag, not the netorare one.

• Netorare [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]
• Swinging [A couple allowing one or both partners to have sex with a third party.]

So, there is a tag on F95 right for that content.

Although I would argue there is netorare happening at one point in the game, it just doesn't happen to you specifically, and it's also not up in your face about it, I still wouldn't tag this VN with Netorare, but a character is indeed being cheated on without their consent or knowing.

This further muddies the waters because what people call netorare and swinging in general, doesn't perfectly align with what the definitions are in F95. Here, the tag is just about an LI being with someone else than the MC, which excludes that situation.

For that case, I added the cheating tag, that perfectly fits the bill.

• Cheating [A significant other having sex with someone other than their partner.]

If I presented you these three tags:

• A [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]
• B [A couple allowing one or both partners to have sex with a third party.]
• C [A significant other having sex with someone other than their partner.]

It'd be a stretch to say any of the scenes with Lea, Kim, Deb, or Jen fall in the tag A.

And, funnily enough, it'd also be impossible to distinguish between B and C, unless you assume the C is behind the partner back, aka cheating. That's not in the definition, though. But it's the name of the tag, so let's assume so.

In that case, the scenes in the game would either be tag B, when the sharing is consensual;
or C, when it's not, but it's the MC cheating on the girl/ fucking a girl in a relationship with other guy (and not the MC being cheated on/being jealous - in that case it'd be, rightfully, tag A).

Perhaps you could make an argument that Deb, Kim and Olivia starting the game with a boyfriend other than the MC could fit in the tag A description. But that would be conceding that, any game that at some point has a girl in a relationship with someone other than the MC should be tagged with NTR. I've seen that argument being made, but I find it unreasonable.


Anyway, it's just a quirk of this particular tagging. And, to be fair, it's not an easy problem to fix, given how much people can get passionate about this topic. It should get better with the new system, though.

That being said, for all the discussions that this site has about NTR, I saw zero diference between having the tag or not, so, who cares? I'll certainly not start a fight about this. Sorry for those that came here and where misled by the tag... something tells me this wasn't the first time it happened.

 

[Skep-tiker]

I respectfully disagree... Emma is the perfect sub. She outwardly manifests an entirely different narrative but finally does everything you wish for. But once again, each to their own

Nah, Emma is a brat, a submissive subgenre (no pun intended) where the brat constantly tries to provoke the dom in order to be punished afterwards. I was into this when I was younger, but since I'm a parent, this is daily struggle. I find Emma exhausting....

 

[Blizzard99]

Love the game, dev! My favorite update this week.

Olivia's content was quite cute. Can't help but root for her and the MC.

Emma's my favorite girl and I'm glad that the MC finally had a chance to declare his feelings for her, even if it made us lose a lewd scene. Hope for some content with her in the next update and the relationship path with her opens soon.

 

[Jack Townsend]

I wish I could take both the Sensitive and Neutral scenes with Bri in the shower and fuse them together into one scene. It would start Sensitive and finish Neutral.

 

[Jack Townsend]

I'm a little bummed there weren't more Manly scenes with Deb.

 

[Skep-tiker]

I'm a little bummed there weren't more Manly scenes with Deb.

And no manly option with Leah in Chpt.7

 

[MagicMan753]

Aight Imma butt in because people bitching about updates of VN games with multiple LIs really ticked me off. A VN with multiple love interests and reactive dialogue that takes all relationships into account with also 2 different paths on each LI is a gigantic task, Idek how folks got the idea that every update would be as quick as the earlier updates or that they would be bountiful in content for every girl every update. Every update the dialogue and relationship flags get more convoluted because more and more events happen. As more events happen, more flags should be created and checked for dialogue consistency. As time goes on it is to be expected for updates to reaaaally slow down. It will get to the point where some LIs will end up sidelined every update or so in favor of other plot relevant or more popular girls. It doesn't mean the route will be completely abandoned, it only means that you just have to wait longer.

I agree for the most part, I am fine with waiting for longer updates or updates that focus on particular girls, but what I am not fine with is unequal treatment of the routes. Emma is my favorite girl, I perfer the sensitive route, in this update it is just sex. On the manly side you get some dialouge before and after building the relationship, on the love route, no scene, but progression in the relationship. In the sensitive side, it is just sex, then next scene, I wnat some relationship talk too even if I am subbing to Emma. If I want just sex, I'll go watch porn, but I play vn's for the relationships and stories, and the dev clearly doesn't care about the sub side of Emma. So much so that this game went from top 5 to can't even crack top 20 anymore, and I am considering if I even want to play it anymore. I am fine with updates focusing on just a couple girls, but if you focus on a girl with multiple paths, GIVE ALL THE PATHS EQUAL TREATMENT!!!

 

[Estius]

GIVE ALL THE PATHS EQUAL TREATMENT!!!

Sure, it would be nice, but we're talking 7 women with multiple paths. The time between updates would be ridiculously long.

7 women was probably overkill for this type of game. 4-5 probably would have been ideal, but hindsight and all that, still a pretty amazing game.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Manly and sensitive scenes are easy to intuit, but how do the neutral scenes work? I know Jen has a neutral path but I'm not quite sure on the others. I think I'm on Leah's neutral path, I wound up missing a sub scene or two with her in the recent chapter.

One of these days the game really deserves a wikia, it is probably complex enough for something like that.

I can't speak for all of them, but Jen's 'vanilla' path is a combination of scenes though mostly from the 'dom' path. Lea's pure gf path without exhibitionism or voyeurism is kinda boring, though it includes some of the same sex scenes.

I could be wrong but off the top of my head I don't think any of the 'neutral' or 'vanilla' paths have explicitly unique scenes found nowhere else; they're all borrowed from one of the existing fetish paths.



I'd voiced this before - I wish he'd offer a conditions switch on the Jen neutral path to still have access to either dom or group stuff with her - these fetishes could simply remain as bedroom play (ya know, like how they usually are in the real world instead of making it your entire world)..

 

[MagicMan753]

Sure, it would be nice, but we're talking 7 women with multiple paths. The time between updates would be ridiculously long.

7 women was probably overkill for this type of game. 4-5 probably would have been ideal, but hindsight and all that, still a pretty amazing game.

It can't be that hard the dom side of emma had like maybe 10-20 extra renders and maybe a hundred lines of dialouge compared to the sub side. You can reuse some of those renders and if you can't be bothered to type some relationship dialouge and realtionship building between emma and mc on the sub side like the two other paths had, then MrSilverLust is not good dev. I was so hyped for this game, for Emma, now I am left with a pile of garbage, like why should I care about future updates, Emma will have JUST SEX on the sensitive side and the other paths will get actual story and relationship building.

 

[tioafa4]

As long as people are asking for things, I have a request. I haven't found an easy way to replay the scenes where the MC is chatting with someone on Writit and I feel like that does them a disservice. I'd like an easy way to revisit them either from the gallery or from the in-game phone UI (which probably makes the most sense). I also haven't paid for anything, so maybe wait for an actual customer to ask for that

 

[MrSilverLust]

Manly and sensitive scenes are easy to intuit, but how do the neutral scenes work? I know Jen has a neutral path but I'm not quite sure on the others. I think I'm on Leah's neutral path, I wound up missing a sub scene or two with her in the recent chapter.

I can't speak for all of them, but Jen's 'vanilla' path is a combination of scenes though mostly from the 'dom' path. Lea's pure gf path without exhibitionism or voyeurism is kinda boring, though it includes some of the same sex scenes.

I could be wrong but off the top of my head I don't think any of the 'neutral' or 'vanilla' paths have explicitly unique scenes found nowhere else; they're all borrowed from one of the existing fetish paths.

Jen vanilla path has 3 scenes specific for that path, and 2 more that reuse animations from the maledom path.

Bri has 3 scenes for the vanilla path.

In the later chapters, Lea has mostly the same scenes, just changed dialogue, depending if sharing/no-sharing is allowed, and if you're in a relationship/just casually having sex. So, you can kind of having 4 different sections during a given scene, depending on the combination you're on.
At first there were also some complete scene variations where you could be more dominant or submissive, but, unfortunately, it was too much work to keep doing that, together with all the variations mentioned above, so, somethings had to go.

Olivia's only small scene so far is also pretty vanilla, with some slight variations if you want to be more dominant or submissive, and if you want to take initiative more, or rather watch more.

Emma vanilla path has only a very, very small specific scene where she shows you her tits. Apart from that is, so far, mostly just an endpoint to where you can jump to from the dominant/submissive paths in case you don't want that for yourself, and want something more vanilla down the road.

You can reuse some of those renders and if you can't be bothered to type some relationship dialouge and realtionship building between emma and mc on the sub side like the two other paths had, then @MrSilverLust is not good dev. I was so hyped for this game, for Emma, now I am left with a pile of garbage, like why should I care about future updates, Emma will have JUST SEX on the sensitive side and the other paths will get actual story and relationship building.

Most of the time I'm told that I just focus on the femdom paths and don't know how to make maledom. Good to see the roles reversed. It just shows that the grass on the other side is always green. It, obviously, won't be just sex in the future.

I haven't found an easy way to replay the scenes where the MC is chatting with someone on Writit and I feel like that does them a disservice. I'd like an easy way to revisit them either from the gallery or from the in-game phone UI (which probably makes the most sense).

The gallery is mess at the moment. Some scenes have different buttons for different variations of the scene, which makes it super confusing (looking at Lea), while others have a menu inside the scene that let's you choose the different variations from there. And others don't show up at all because I didn't think they were relevant enough, like most of the writit sections.

I need to take an evening to clean that up and probably add there a few of those scenes. It's probably better to add more scenes, even if small ones that maybe no one will care enough to watch them again, than to not add them and risk that maybe someone will actually like to replay them and can't.

 

[tioafa4]

The gallery is mess at the moment. Some scenes have different buttons for different variations of the scene, which makes it super confusing (looking at Lea), while others have a menu inside the scene that let's you choose the different variations from there. And others don't show up at all because I didn't think they were relevant enough, like most of the writit sections.

I need to take an evening to clean that up and probably add there a few of those scenes. It's probably better to add more scenes, even if small ones that maybe no one will care enough to watch them again, than to not add them and risk that maybe someone will actually like to replay them and can't.

I just checked again and I found one for Chapter 6 in the gallery under Others, but not with the same character from Chapter 7. Obviously I think that the scene in question is significant enough for a replay (especially because it influences Jen's path under some circumstances), but it's the author's call as always.

 

[Skep-tiker]

So after the bar scene, is it reasonable to expect Monika conten for the next chapter?

Will BDSM or Cuckquean an OR choice for Jen?

Will Walt ever lay Cunni?

 

[riichidesu]

Man, Kim is such a piece of shit that you can't help but love her my main paths are Jen, Lea and Olivia but still like to do a "Scenarios" play of the Cunning Kim path and oh boy! fun as hell, asshole MC and Kim have one of the best chemistry, really looking forward to see how that path will end