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Azerin

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And I think I forgot some other suggestions. But all of these are valid and would increase the quality and variety in the game, for sure. Believe me, no one wants more than me to have way more time and resources to bring all the facets of the characters to life, introduce even more customization to make the game feel unique to each player, and make the updates just really well polished and rounded.
Yeah I recognize that pleasing everyone is an impossible task, even if you have the will and desire to implement some stuff, sacrifices must be made for the sake of reality. No worries if you feel like the kind of variations I suggested are a necessary sacrifice for productivity.

I haven't tried Lea's route yet though despite indications of some gentle femdom as exhibitionism and more extreme versions of it aren't really my cup of tea, but I certainly will give it a try soon as I definitely do like Lea as a character. What I did actually try was Emma's route which I have to say I am quite a fan of as well. I can see why some people don't like her but in my eyes their dynamic is excellent. She can be a bit abrasive and dishonest with her feelings but she is also not too proud to let the MC know she appreciates him, so the dichotomy is quite endearing. Neither side wants to back down but both seem willing to compromise so in the end its all in good fun. It ends up leaving me with the impression they bring out the best of each other. Like she has consistently tried to be there for MC who is obviously struggling, but also seeks his approval which MC isn't shy about providing so neither side is really the sole benefactor. On a specific note, I found it incredibly sweet of her to bring you flowers as a thank you for helping her with Monika, can't blame MC at all for wanting to jump her bones immediately. I hope her future path (seems to start at end of ch5) has some more of these wholesome moments.
 

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Kim will make use of it but with the MC at the receiving end :BootyTime:
Haha, yes, that's probably true. :eek:
Would prefer it the other way round, though. :devilish:

Huge fan of Kim, so this was an excellent chapter for me. I like that (so far) there's no attempt to do the usual thing and make her redeemable or show a "good side". Several points where this is probed and shut down, which is refreshing. She's just bad and owns that. For players like me who enjoy that kind of character it's very well done. More please.
It probably doesn't look like it, but Kim is indeed one of my favourite characters in NiF nonetheless.
She's a great addition to a cast of otherwise lovely ladies and adds some spice, a flavour those others can't provide.

If there is anything which really bothers me, it's the fact that MrSilverLust -generally spoken- tries to ensure everything is consensual and considerate. I faintly recall e.g. the talk with Lea and how it could aggravate other people if they see her nude in public, which i found a bit over the top, since no 'real' persons feelings would get hurt if someone saw her. I mean nobody needs children in an exhibitionist scene, but a mother calling her out or some construction workers catcalling her or an old fart ogling her body could have added some ooomph to her scene.

Kim doesn't care about that and brings a nice touch of darkness into the game. Every game needs a villain.
 
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The only way to deal with this is to discard invalid suggestions and keep the others in the back of your head, to improve your game using them when possible.
90% of them are very good suggestions, to be honest. It's really just a matter of managing workload. I don't want to start biting more than I can chew, that's a good way to end up with an abandoned game.

No worries if you feel like the kind of variations I suggested are a necessary sacrifice for productivity.
It's not just the variations in a given scene. The problem is that it snowballs from there. For example, you can see how Deb's path makes sense when the MC is on board. She introduces him to femdom with face sitting -> she introduces orgasm control which is something she likes -> she gives him a ruined orgasm -> she makes him fuck her with dildo instead of his dick -> she cages him -> ??? let's say, for the sake of argument, the next step is giving him a very good orgasm as a reward... but while pegging him...

Now, let's say in the "she gives him a ruined orgasm" part, I give a choice for the player to, quoting you:

For me personally I would enjoy a variation where the MC gets off properly, at least most of the time.
getting off properly. Would that player then be happy in choosing to fuck her with a dildo? To be caged? To be pegged? probably not. And that's the issue: it's not just adding a variation to a single scene. It's creating a completely new path where all scenes have soft themes of femdom, instead of kinky/chastity related ones. Making a variation is not that hard. Making a completely different path is. And then all the conversations they have about sex will have to reflect the choices taken, so you also have to take into account the amount of extra dialogue needed. And Deb in particular already has another path for players that don't like femdom. It would just take a lot of resources to make yet another one but with light femdom.

What I did actually try was Emma's route which I have to say I am quite a fan of as well.
And this here is more of what I was aiming for with the game. I would like that everyone, whether they like hardcore stuff, vanilla, light femdom, light maledom, more hardcore femdom, more hardcore maledom, etc, have some path they like. At least one of the girls should be good for the kind of kinks they like and level of vanilla/hardcore they enjoy. But providing all those options for every single LI is almost impossible. The idea is that all of the LIs can offer something a bit different in the kink department and then the player chooses his favorite. This was never intended to be a harem game where a player needs to like all LIs, or several of them. You'll have to pick just one anyway, starting early on rejecting those with kinks you like less just makes it easier.

Adding the non-use of the nipple clamps would probably double the current pictures of Jen's scene (posing her with and with-out) and i believe the same would be true for Deb's(?) strap-on scene.
There are other things that are easier to implement though. For example, an option to not add the nipple clamps should be easy to implement because it's just changing a few renders and some lines of dialogue in a given scene. I need to think this through properly, but I don't think it'd snowball to have to change all future scenes with them. So, I might add this option in a future update.

The MC knows that Kim absolutely cannot be trusted and will seek to hurt people on a whim; he may not want to expose Kim to her boyfriend because of her threats to expose him in turn, but he could at the very least hint to Emma that she's not ideally suited for this.
This is another really good suggestion. A player can get to that scene in several stages with Kim: he can have let her walk all over him, he can be cheating on Pete with her, he can have accepted to help her but have done nothing sexually, he may have flat out told her to go fuck herself. And the dialogue should adapt to all of these options. And, sometimes, I just miss the mark in some paths. It's true that it would be impossible to make a chapter 5 with Kim, and another chapter 5 where the MC tells Emma to absolutely not trust Kim and instead ask some other lawyer for advice. That would require too many scenes being written and rendered in two alternatives.

But I could easily add another choice where the MC at least suggests it and then Emma, stubborn as she is, shuts it down or asks why, and the MC has to grudgingly accept to involve her anyway. Later on, that choice could even lead to him telling Kim she wouldn't be there if it was up to him, and she could tease him a bit about it, adding a bit more fuel for that "Ugh, I hate her" feeling players on that path might have.

I feel like this could perhaps work better in the path where the MC tells Kim to fuck off from the start. Although I'm always a bit reticent to adding "fake" choices. It could lead to a bad feeling given a player the choose to pick "Don't let Kim get involved in this", and then Kim gets involved in it anyway. In these cases is often better to not give an option at all. I'll have to think about it.

Either way, this is the kind of feedback that's very useful because it can get quite hard to have all possible combinations of paths in my head and then write dialogues and choices that are good enough in all of them. Having more people going through the game and saying, "in this particular path, this particular thing feels a bit off" helps a lot to identify possible issues and think if it's easy/worth to try to fix it.
 

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is there any sharing scenes in the game yet?
i played all routes very Excited for Jen sharing Route , i wonder if we will get NTR route ?
Any sharing or cuck scenes yet?
I'm not sure if you're asking about sharing, NTR, or netori because many people tend to classify all of that in the same bucket.

So, for netori - taking someone else's girl - so far you can fuck Deb in front of Carl, get a handjob under the table from Kim while you both talk to an oblivious Pete, and fuck Kim while she's on the phone with Pete.

As for netorase - willingly sharing your own girl - so far there's just a little tease in an optional scene where you and Lea can post her nudes online and have sex while reading online comments. You can have an alternative scene where you just have public sex on the beach instead.

As for NTR - a girl cheats on the MC without his consent - there is and will not be any of it.
 

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Everyone loves a "choices makes a difference game", but the fact is that making everyone has different opinions on how things should go and making branches for every single decision is just dumb IMO. Making multiple choices means multiple scenes for a single branch that the Dev has to work on and that means we get lesser content. I rather go with the writing of the Dev then slow down progress of the story and giving them more work.

In any case, despite the crazy(maybe unnecessary) amount of mechanics in the game, there's alot of good kinks there that are interesting. I'm really enjoying the game and I'm only at chpt 1! There's some good story and it's got quite alot of content for a 0.5. Great job up to now!
 
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Azerin

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It's not just the variations in a given scene. The problem is that it snowballs from there. For example, you can see how Deb's path makes sense when the MC is on board. She introduces him to femdom with face sitting -> she introduces orgasm control which is something she likes -> she gives him a ruined orgasm -> she makes him fuck her with dildo instead of his dick -> she cages him -> ??? let's say, for the sake of argument, the next step is giving him a very good orgasm as a reward... but while pegging him...
I think I described earlier some relatively light variations to those scenes, which while staying in line with the original content would remain palatable for that type of player. For example the dildo fuck could have had a variation where she grinds her butt on him to completion while fucking the dildo which is an incredibly small change and wouldn't really need to modify much in the way of future sexual interactions as the core concept of the scene - that he wasn't able to penetrate her despite wanting to - remains intact. I can't really see it affecting future conversations much either, since the core contents of the scene remain unchanged. Speaking as to the other examples I can tell you that kind of simple variation would indeed please that type of player. I agree that if a player doesn't want to ever deal with some of her kinks, like ruined orgasms, chastity, pegging, etc then yeah they shouldn't be in her femdom route, I'm just saying that I feel like there is room for small variations on her rewards that don't undermine the core concept of the route. I don't think that MC getting off in the bedroom suddenly makes it a different route or downgrades it to vanilla or gentle only femdom, its just a bit of a change in how some scenes would end.

To be clear I'm not even in objection with those scenes as they stand, its natural for them both to be trying new things together, some stuff they might like, others they won't. I'm just saying that if they have a more regular and official relationship with a healthy sex life maybe Deb would try to feel out MC's desires and reward him nicely sometimes. I personally feel that her giving nice rewards sometimes as a motivating factor is a much more organic and believable scenario than expecting MC to completely abandon personal satisfaction. Interestingly, the hypothetical next step you mentioned (i.e pegging) is a great opportunity to reconcile the issue I have. Getting MC to enjoy prostate orgasms is an obvious solution to my objection (that she wants him to never receive a pleasurable orgasm from her).
 
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90% of them are very good suggestions, to be honest. It's really just a matter of managing workload. I don't want to start biting more than I can chew, that's a good way to end up with an abandoned game.
I do not recommend to interpret every wish here as a actual demand to change something. (Even though it might be written that way, because the people know that you are present.)
If you were not be present in the forum, people would come here and would talk about the game the same way, presenting their ideas, wishes, hopes, likes, dislikes and fantasies.
I saw several times that you try to defend the way you do the game. That is wasted time in my eyes.
If I would create such a game, I wouldn't care at all about the different opinions :ROFLMAO: and just do what I want to do.
 
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So, for netori - taking someone else's girl - so far you can fuck Deb in front of Carl, get a handjob under the table from Kim while you both talk to an oblivious Pete, and fuck Kim while she's on the phone with Pete.

As for netorase - willingly sharing your own girl - so far there's just a little tease in an optional scene where you and Lea can post her nudes online and have sex while reading online comments.
:oops:
I just realized i have all of those scenes in my current canon playthrough...
AITA for doing this?
:confused::unsure:

Well, at least myMC tried to warn Pete about Kim, before this whole mess happened, but he chose not to believe me, so */shrug 仕方ない, ne?

Edit: Kim is probably of korean descent, so the use of a japanese phrase is not entirely appropriate, i know, please don't tear me a new asshole.
 
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I'm just saying that I feel like there is room for small variations on her rewards that don't undermine the core concept of the route. I don't think that MC getting off in the bedroom suddenly makes it a different route or downgrades it to vanilla or gentle only femdom, its just a bit of a change in how some scenes would end.
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Interestingly, the hypothetical next step you mentioned (i.e pegging) is a great opportunity to reconcile the issue I have. Getting MC to enjoy prostate orgasms is an obvious solution to my objection (that she wants him to never receive a pleasurable orgasm from her).
When you put it that way, it's easier for me to agree with this point of view. I'm just a bit skeptical that there are many players that would benefit from the extra work. How many players are there that would like to have a had a buttjob in that scene instead of a wearing a dildo, but would like to be pegged in the next lewd scene with Deb? Porthas, you also suggested an alternative scene for Deb this chapter. Hypothetically, if the next kink scene with her was pegging until the MC has a prostate orgasm, would you be okay with that, or would you also require another less kinky scene instead there?

I saw several times that you try to defend the way you do the game. That is wasted time in my eyes.
I like discussing game design and read people's opinions, I don't think it's wasted time. Besides, this usually only lasts 1 week after release. After that, the thread goes quiet and I go back to my porn cave working in the game all alone for 3 months. Let me enjoy talking about it while there are still people commenting :ROFLMAO:
 

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When you put it that way, it's easier for me to agree with this point of view. I'm just a bit skeptical that there are many players that would benefit from the extra work. How many players are there that would like to have a had a buttjob in that scene instead of a wearing a dildo, but would like to be pegged in the next lewd scene with Deb?
Honestly I didn't even mean no dildo, I would have just appreciated if she got MC off at the same time. Pretty small change but to me it feels better. Give and take more or less. Basically along those lines if there is a pegging scene in the future I would find it nicer if MC enjoys it compared to a version where she might for example keep him caged and only edge him or ruin orgasm again. As it stands the last 2 lewd scenes MC was disappointed which again is fine if she wants to tease him or test his limits, but if its allllllll the time it feels a little bad to me. I'm glad you said you enjoyed responding to the feedback though, I was hoping you weren't getting annoyed lol. I like the game a lot though, thanks for your responses. I'll have to try Lea route soon and give my two cents. Sadly I have no interest in Kim at all (I'm one of those guys who wants her to burn). Jen I like but I can't get over how its such a monumentally bad idea to get involved with a client AGAIN for MC. Olivia is pretty light on content so far, and similar to Kim I don't really like the idea of sleeping with a friend's partner even if Jamie presumably wouldn't care. Brie seems nice but not much to go on yet.
 
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I like discussing game design and read people's opinions, I don't think it's wasted time. Besides, this usually only lasts 1 week after release. After that, the thread goes quiet and I go back to my porn cave working in the game all alone for 3 months. Let me enjoy talking about it while there are still people commenting :ROFLMAO:
I will wait with my in depth review of this chapter then until things calm down, so you won't feel that lonely for that long.;)
 

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Honestly I didn't even mean no dildo, I would have just appreciated if she got MC off at the same time. Pretty small change but to me it feels better. Give and take more or less.
I'm sorry, I think I was unfairly lumping your suggestion in the same bag with others more drastic. Deb's scene already has an option to put the cage or not. To anyone choosing to not wear a cage, it'd be pretty trivial to give the option to make the mc also cum with a little buttjob after Deb is finished. That's actually a very "cheap" and easy change. It's similar to adding the option to not give the nipple clamps to Jen in the manly path.

These small things that don't snowball and force me to add options down the line, don't actually take much time and they do add a little bit more room to roleplay and taylor the scenes a little bit more to one's taste.

I'll probably add them both in the next update. I'd still suggest for you to try Lea's path. It does have exhibitionist themes, but I don't think it'll ruin it for you.
 
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Well, at least myMC tried to warn Pete about Kim, before this whole mess happened, but he chose not to believe me, so */shrug 仕方ない, ne?

Edit: Kim is probably of korean descent, so the use of a japanese phrase is not entirely appropriate, i know, please don't tear me a new asshole.
Why should I? Shitakanai is quite fitting for what you wanted to express. I would have used Shoganai, but both expressions are nearly identical, "Ist halt so!":);) I do not know Korean, so I have no knowledge if they have a similar expression.
Since we are at throwing around expressions in other languages: Ganbatte yo, Selberdreher!:)(y)
 

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I'm sorry, I think I was unfairly lumping your suggestion in the same bag with others more drastic. Deb's scene already has an option to put the cage or not. To anyone choosing to not wear a cage, it'd be pretty trivial to give the option to make the mc also cum with a little buttjob after Deb is finished. That's actually a very "cheap" and easy change. It's similar to adding the option to not give the nipple clamps to Jen in the manly path.

These small things that don't snowball and force me to add options down the line, don't actually take much time and they do add a little bit more room to roleplay and taylor the scenes a little bit more to one's taste.

I'll probably add them both in the next update. I'd still suggest for you to try Lea's path. It does have exhibitionist themes, but I don't think it'll ruin it for you.
Since people are sharing things that bothered them slightly or a little bit more than slightly (and since you like talking about your game) I thought I'll write about one thing that bothered me a little bit that I haven't mentioned earlier, cause I thought it's maybe too small of an issue.
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Question about the loveometer: at the end of chapter 5, with Kim as biggest crush and cheating with her on manly path, the feelings status says you find her...interesting. Is that intentional? Feels like it should be at least attracted to.
 
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