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"Ehy, player ! This game is full of hidden kinks and hot moments, but you can't play them because the gameplay is too complicated, UAH UAH UAH UAH"
Of the women in the game, only Jen is presented as an outright sub, against Deb and Kim as outright dommes.
Kim is definitely a polarizing character, and I can see where you're coming from.My read on the situation with Kim (which may have been wrong) was that either path involved the MC becoming her toy, whether as her pain slut or her tame cock, leaving her in the driver's seat no matter what.
The game is not above criticism and you certainly rise good points, many of which have already been talked here before and I agreed with. I was mostly using your claim:Oh, I'm in no way critisizing you or the game. I'm sorry if it felt like I was doing that.
as an example to try to show that's not true (I can agree with there being more femdom scenes than maledom scenes, and the femdom scenes being kinker, but I don't think there are more femdom scenes than not). And I probably was a bit more "bitchy" than required, because I was salty due to bad reviews that messed with my fake internet points. claiming similar things as what you wrote, or even worse like: "all of the 'good options' and content are locked off unless you pick soy-boy options 90% of the time" - 2 starts review.the more I play this game, the more I realise there are more femdom scenes than not
I can see how it can be too complicated to some people, my bad."Ehy, player ! This game is full of hidden kinks and hot moments, but you can't play them because the gameplay is too complicated, UAH UAH UAH UAH"
I feel like there's a bit of a recency bias going on with how people are looking at Emma and Deb in particular. Emma is flying really high after a couple of strong updates for her in a row. Deb is getting more criticism as her relationship with Carl has been gradually (and then suddenly) falling apart. Hardly anyone comes out looking great during a breakup -- that's all the more true when there are two good people (neither are villains in my view) involved who still love each other but are fundamentally incompatible.Emma: Familiarity, common interests, feelings (not vocalized), Keeps the MC on his toes (has the most appeal 'feelings-wise')
Deb: Does not share a lot about herself (fair enough). Not sure what she wants. Was in a relationship for over 2 years, and had a guy who (against his nature) accommodated her kinks (just not all the time). The way she verbally destroys Carl when he does not do exactly what she wants......Then booty calls her 'friend' soon after her long relationship ends..... IMO, all of this just screams 'You will only get affection IF you please me...It's all about ME ME ME!' No thanks!
It's the same guy and it seems like you meant to link 2 different guys.
I get this same reaction!! Like, I sometimes desperately wish there was a reply button on the reviews so I can argue with them and explain why they clearly just don't understand!!!!I was salty due to bad reviews that messed with my fake internet points
I'm sorry, I think I was unfairly lumping your suggestion in the same bag with others more drastic. Deb's scene already has an option to put the cage or not. To anyone choosing to not wear a cage, it'd be pretty trivial to give the option to make the mc also cum with a little buttjob after Deb is finished. That's actually a very "cheap" and easy change. It's similar to adding the option to not give the nipple clamps to Jen in the manly path.
So, hypothetically, if someone was in a group of friends and tried to simultaneously have a sexual relationship with 4 or more of them at the same time, some explicitly FWB, some secretly cheating, some with exclusivity not even discussed, and at least one where there was an exclusive relationship promised... how many of these people would still be talking to each other after the inevitable explosion, organically?I stopped playing when I got to the part asking me which girl I liked, and then reading here to find that there’s no harem route. What’s the points of collecting these points and unlocking these traits when they’re with girls you won’t have content with? It locks the paths to rejecting every other girl in a massive cast and then missing out on 80% of the content, or going down a specific route of cheating to get to even another 10% of the scenes. It’s already bad enough that at least 2 of the potential relationships are not allowed, with no indication of how those problems will be resolved at the point of choosing. This becomes the kind of game where there is a first run to scout which girl you like, then restarting to pick the correct options and get the correct traits (or hoarding points and getting them when the scene asks for something), rejecting everyone else and skipping all the other scenes, while being spoiled of the actual story. It’s impossible to play this game organically.
Well, you probably *could* have guessed this already from the missing 'harem' tag.I stopped playing when I got to the part asking me which girl I liked, and then reading here to find that there’s no harem route.
The harem part itself is not the issue, it's the points system and skill tree for specific scenes where the game doesn't say who those are for, having to hoard points until they're needed, unknown consequences for choosing certain routes that hint at game overs (sacked or relationship ended due to married LI), the disconnect between who I want MC to be vs choosing a girl and getting whatever kinks that go with her vs choosing a kink and seeing whichever girl goes with it, and because there's no system to respec, the possibility of having to start over so that I can get the appropriate girl-kink combos as the story reveals them. In one of the choices, the game hints at dom/cuck the whole time, then suddenly an option appears for the other direction to happen, so that's a whole different strategy to collect the appropriate points, which would mean rolling back or starting again.So, hypothetically, if someone was in a group of friends and tried to simultaneously have a sexual relationship with 4 or more of them at the same time, some explicitly FWB, some secretly cheating, some with exclusivity not even discussed, and at least one where there was an exclusive relationship promised... how many of these people would still be talking to each other after the inevitable explosion, organically?
If you want a harem game, you might need to look elsewhere.
if you want to get 80%+ of the sex scene content in one playthrough, you might need to look elsewhere.
Nothing if Forever is simply not that sort of game.
You can turn off the pts system if it's not to your liking. Go to "Skills" -> "Options" (bottom) -> "Cheat: get all skills now" (green letters at the left top); with it you don't need to care about any pts and can just enjoy the story and role play without looking at the colors of the anwers (you can also turn off the colors/hints of the dialogue options by turning on the blind mode btw).The harem part itself is not the issue, it's the points system and skill tree for specific scenes where the game doesn't say who those are for, having to hoard points until they're needed
I may have remembered this wrongly, but aren't there a few choices based on having a certain score rather than having something unlocked?You can turn off the pts system if it's not to your liking. Go to "Skills" -> "Options" (bottom) -> "Cheat: get all skills now" (green letters at the left top); with it you don't need to care about any pts and can just enjoy the story and role play without looking at the colors of the anwers (you can also turn off the colors/hints of the dialogue options by turning on the blind mode btw).
Yea, I can understand where you're coming from. I guess at the moment when I wrote it, I felt that alot of the Dom scenes didn't really felt like Dom scenes to me, even though they are clearly supposed to be. The Sub scenes had more consistency and you could really tell they were Sub scenes, thus making them the better scenes. Now that I saw the 2 star review, I agree with some of his/her points, but their failure to see the game as what it is and judged it solely on the their likes and wants can definitely be disappointing.Kim is definitely a polarizing character, and I can see where you're coming from.
But, as a counter-argument, I'll ask you to go suggest to this guy other games with women that, quoting you, "want an MC to become her toy and tame cock, while being in the driver's seat no matter what". And then we can both see if he likes them, or if, perhaps, Kim is giving him a completely different thing that you can't appreciate. My point here is that, just because you don't like it, doesn't make her a domme, or some other thing that you seem to be identifying as femdom-ish that's still present in her manly path.
On a reverse token, you can also try to explain to this guy (EDIT: link corrected), who clearly enjoys femdom, why he is wrong about Kim not being an outright domme at heart, and how the MC is not topping from the bottom, even in her sensitive path. This is mostly to be used as a conter-argument to you saying that "only Jen is presented as an outright sub, against Deb and Kim as outright dommes", as I think that Jen is a sub, Deb is a domme and everyone else adapts a bit depending on player choices.
Either way, this is a bit of silly argument because of course you're free to feel however you want, to not like characters, to think Kim is too bossy/controlling/whatever for your taste, etc. I'm just trying to say that I think that all LI's can offer something that's completely not femdom related, contrary to what some recent low score reviews say.
The game is not above criticism and you certainly rise good points, many of which have already been talked here before and I agreed with. I was mostly using your claim:
as an example to try to show that's not true (I can agree with there being more femdom scenes than maledom scenes, and the femdom scenes being kinker, but I don't think there are more femdom scenes than not). And I probably was a bit more "bitchy" than required, because I was salty due to bad reviews that messed with my fake internet points. claiming similar things as what you wrote, or even worse like: "all of the 'good options' and content are locked off unless you pick soy-boy options 90% of the time" - 2 starts review.
I can see how it can be too complicated to some people, my bad.
I think there's only one such instance in the game (with Kim), but it's based on the general sensitive/manly score, so if you're not into senstitive/submissive stuff I don't think you'll choose sensitive answers even without color markings (and tbh I never used the cheat, so maybe it also opens up this particular choice for the player, I don't know). The rest of the general score IIRC only influences some of MC's responses during various conversations adding additional flavor, making him more coherent and closer to who the player is role playing as, but not influencing what content is available.I may have remembered this wrongly, but aren't there a few choices based on having a certain score rather than having something unlocked?
It's not a game where there is a "one true path" or any way to get all of the content in one play-through. There's several Love Interests and each of those have different quite different variations withing their paths. Some LIs and paths are mutually exclusive.Walkthrough mod?
Hey there! Dude, I have no words to describe how good and impressive I find your game. Thank you for giving us such a great content, the game has amazing characters, believeble relationships and wild chemistry. Speaking of polorizing characters, I'm really curious, if Deb on "Dominant" route is going to be just a meaningless fling or a LI. You can choose her as your crush at the first time (First chapters), but she's locked as an option to have feelings for later (charpter 4), if you're not on "Submissive" route. But at the same time we got a scene with her at the chapter 5, so I really hope that being a dominant guy and dating Deb will be possible in future chapters (fingers crossed). Have a good day!Kim is definitely a polarizing character, and I can see where you're coming from.
But, as a counter-argument, I'll ask you to go suggest to this guy other games with women that, quoting you, "want an MC to become her toy and tame cock, while being in the driver's seat no matter what". And then we can both see if he likes them, or if, perhaps, Kim is giving him a completely different thing that you can't appreciate. My point here is that, just because you don't like it, doesn't make her a domme, or some other thing that you seem to be identifying as femdom-ish that's still present in her manly path.
On a reverse token, you can also try to explain to this guy (EDIT: link corrected), who clearly enjoys femdom, why he is wrong about Kim not being an outright domme at heart, and how the MC is not topping from the bottom, even in her sensitive path. This is mostly to be used as a conter-argument to you saying that "only Jen is presented as an outright sub, against Deb and Kim as outright dommes", as I think that Jen is a sub, Deb is a domme and everyone else adapts a bit depending on player choices.
Either way, this is a bit of silly argument because of course you're free to feel however you want, to not like characters, to think Kim is too bossy/controlling/whatever for your taste, etc. I'm just trying to say that I think that all LI's can offer something that's completely not femdom related, contrary to what some recent low score reviews say.
The game is not above criticism and you certainly rise good points, many of which have already been talked here before and I agreed with. I was mostly using your claim:
as an example to try to show that's not true (I can agree with there being more femdom scenes than maledom scenes, and the femdom scenes being kinker, but I don't think there are more femdom scenes than not). And I probably was a bit more "bitchy" than required, because I was salty due to bad reviews that messed with my fake internet points. claiming similar things as what you wrote, or even worse like: "all of the 'good options' and content are locked off unless you pick soy-boy options 90% of the time" - 2 starts review.
I can see how it can be too complicated to some people, my bad.