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you might be surprised if you give it a tryNo Milf and No Inbreed... kinda rare for pen-py games. but the renders don't look that good. i'll pass, but best wishes to the dev.
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Ooops. Will fix that. Nice to find yet someone else that appreciates the chess games! There’s like 5 of us nowMrSilverLust well done on a brilliant first chapter! I've left a review and subscribed to your Patreon
And thanks for the kind words.Thanks for the support and kind words. I'm glad to know that the reception to chapter 2 has been good so far
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I did as I said earlier and I am on your Patreon now, which means I've already played new update (have 3 playthroughs going on right now). Really liked it a lot and I have few small questions/personal comments if that's ok:
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Yes, I love your chess commentary. It's quite fun and easy to follow, even for an amateur like meOoops. Will fix that. Nice to find yet someone else that appreciates the chess games! There’s like 5 of us now
OK, I'm just now done with chapter 2. This is seriously exceptional writing, well done mate! Everyone, even the men, are just so real, grounded and human. A few hours ago, I didn't know this game existed. Now, it goes straight to the top-5 of my story-driven adult games list, and to my signatureThanks for the support and kind words. I'm glad to know that the reception to chapter 2 has been good so far
Mister_M I owe you a huge thanks for recommending this to me.
Oh, by the way, MrSilverLust there is one more chess mistake in chapter 2 and it's in fact the same mistake
B2 should be B7 below. And yes, this was an epic game 
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Glad to be of service@Mister_M I owe you a huge thanks for recommending this to me.
I hope more people will get to play the game and support it. It's really great work.
Thanks a lot for the detailed feedback and your reactions to the update, this really helps a dev like me to not work inside his own bubble and have outside perspectives.
When I first released this chapter I was (and still am) nervous that it might annoy/disappoint some players for a few reasons and you basically touched on all of them. Let me see if I can answer your points.
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I hope I managed to answer your points relatively well. I’m always happy to answer questions about the game, as you might imagine I like to talk about it. I just try to avoid spoiling any future content, if that’s okay.
Thanks. And don’t worry, I get it that this art-style is not for everybody. It is by far the most common criticism I got.No Milf and No Inbreed... kinda rare for pen-py games. but the renders don't look that good. i'll pass, but best wishes to the dev.
When I first posted my game on itch.io I was welcomed to this adult game dev world with this review:
1/5 stars, after just looking at the intro. Ouch.part of some review said:
The thing is, I need to use these daz shaders because I’m rendering using a 4yo (I think?) laptop with a 1060. This “toonish” art-style makes rendering much faster. If I had gone for photorealism, I’d make an update per year, still get renders worse than 90% of the games here, and get myself a burned GPU. Between these two choices, the correct one was obvious.
But this style grows on you. Since it’s not so realistic, some of the typical daz uncanny valley is gone. At least that’s what I tell myself
What the hell!? I don’t understand what my brain has against that particular squarethere is one more chess mistake in chapter 2 and it's in fact the same mistake
Thanks!
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Thank you very much for your answers. Of course I understand your desire not to spoil the story, nor I desire to have it spoilt; the amount of info given by you is already very satisfactory so thank you again. I'll let myself add some additional comments:
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This is the one thing I disagree with, though I know my opinion on this is in the minority. To me, games that "don't want to punish players for their choices" end up with a weaker story and risk incoherence. In my experience, adult games end up in one of two categories:
- Those that want to tell a specific story. If the player likes it, fine, but authorial intent trumps player agency.
- Those where the story is continuously undermined by porn logic, where the narrative becomes a weak string that only exists to tie sex scenes together.
Based on your quoted answer, I'm a mildly concerned that you might be headed in the second direction. Specifically:
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I hope you take this as the constructive criticism it was meant to be
FWIW, I love the art style and think it looks greatThe thing is, I need to use these daz shaders because I’m rendering using a 4yo (I think?) laptop with a 1060. This “toonish” art-style makes rendering much faster. If I had gone for photorealism, I’d make an update per year, still get renders worse than 90% of the games here, and get myself a burned GPU. Between these two choices, the correct one was obvious.
But this style grows on you. Since it’s not so realistic, some of the typical daz uncanny valley is gone. At least that’s what I tell myself
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This is the one thing I disagree with, though I know my opinion on this is in the minority. To me, games that "don't want to punish players for their choices" end up with a weaker story and risk incoherence. In my experience, adult games end up in one of two categories:
- Those that want to tell a specific story. If the player likes it, fine, but authorial intent trumps player agency.
- Those where the story is continuously undermined by porn logic, where the narrative becomes a weak string that only exists to tie sex scenes together.
Based on your quoted answer, I'm a mildly concerned that you might be headed in the second direction. Specifically:
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I hope you take this as the constructive criticism it was meant to be
FWIW, I love the art style and think it looks great
I think we are mostly agreeing on this topic, but I didn’t make myself clear and/or used the wrong terms. Let me try to explain a bit better what I meant.
Where I think there was some misunderstanding:
When I said I don’t want to punish player’s choices, I meant about their kink choices. Story related choices will have consequences and the MC has to deal with them. Sometimes it might not be so easy to distinguish between these two, so let me give some examples:
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Where I think we might disagree(?)
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Where I think I might have done a bad job, which caused some of this misunderstanding/disagreement:
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And everyone's criticism is obviously welcomed. This is my first game, my first story. I’m 100% sure mistakes will be made and I’ll drop the ball in several occasions. You, players, should keep me on my toes, telling me when I am subpar, so I can try to learn with these mistakes and not repeat them in the future.
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Thanks for the detailed response. I think we agree on a lot more than we disagree.
Yes, that's exactly what I wanted
That's fine, as long as there is some point where the LI (not just Deb) can say: "You know what? This is what I want, and if you are not happy with that, I don't think we're a good match."
Thanks for explaining your rationale! I admit, I have minimal experience (not zero, but still) with this kind of relationship, so the background information helps. And yes, based on what you wrote, it doesn't sound porn-y at all
You are doing much, much better than 99.99% of adult game developers out there. So much so it's kind of hard to believe this is your first game or your first story
Really? Hmm, I don't think that's good, and not what I was going for.
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I have the same opinion, that's why I planned things as I mentioned in the other post.
Absolutely. The LIs have their kinks, the MC has his. If there is substantially overlap they will be a good fit together, but if not, there will be “bad endings” where they just realize they are bad for each other. But there’s wiggling room to negotiate with each other what they want to bring in/exclude from the bedroom.
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I never pick Cunning. It feels too manipulative and off-putting. If an LI requires it, I guess she won't be for me. I have zero cunning points at the end of chapter 2, so I hope it won't cause any game breaking bugs later on.
Personally, I don't try to guess kinks based on character personalities. I accumulate points in my preferred dimension(s) and when I encounter a scene that requires a spesific kink, I choose (or not) to spend points.
Agreed. The decision to choose one thing is equally a decision not to choose something else. Like I said previously, choices should have consequences
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This seems reasonable. My point was you could definitely afford to get exhibitionism and still get all your other Hon skills, especially since you really don’t want to focus on cunning options. You’ll end up swimming on Hon points. Although, I realize it’s easy for me to talk because I know what’s gonna happen. For all you know, you might need those points for the next choice you make!
All of those choices are absolutely ridiculous and played as dumb jokes. But, I mean, judge by yourself.
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This is a fair way to roleplay and it shouldn’t cause any bug whatsoever. If it does, that’s on me.
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