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qwwettyippoity

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Seven Soft said:
Exactly. Yes technically i do not mind the story having a relatively prominent character; i just don't want them to be a cringeworthy maniac who is obsessed with corrupting the female Love Interest. Since i want the corruption to be just an organic resultant of the girl trying to fit in/assimilate to the local culture.

Although i will admit now that the underlying idea i've been tiptoeing around all this time is:

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As is contextualized by the above; i'm trying to see a Netorare story which captures this premise. More specifically, a folly about a dude who (severely wrongly) thinks he can have a "cool" girl be his faithful girlfriend. Only to be betrayed by her as she's trying to strike the impossible balance between being the wholesome girlfriend he wants and trying to fit in (to her ipso facto hypersexual social environment and consequently another man's lap). I believe this is a very grounded and realistic narrative premise.

So the entity who "cucks" him is actually the environment itself, and not necessarily a pathetically-obsessed dork who is hellbent on stealing his girl. Now that i think about it, i feel like this idea of Netorare i'm trying to picture is just the average backstory of so-called "redpillers".

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i disagree with your last
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the red pill just give the truth how you interpret it is up to you and the 2 sides that abuse their choice are at wrong
are wrong(that is about 80% of women get the choice about 20% man got it)
the thing is women cant work to get their attraction back man can get more money or get more muscle or get success in some field (not saying they would they just can)
no matter how much woman would "improve" she cant get her youth and purity and chastity back
not place to say this but still do more research with your terminology next time to (SPOILER: Disclaimer) i didn't read the rest
 
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a753015 said:
i disagree with your last
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the red pill just give the truth how you interpret it is up to you and the 2 sides that abuse their choice are at wrong
are wrong(that is about 80% of women get the choice about 20% man got it)
the thing is women cant work to get their attraction back man can get more money or get more muscle or get success in some field (not saying they would they just can)
no matter how much woman would "improve" she cant get her youth and purity and chastity back
not place to say this but still do more research with your terminology next time to (SPOILER: Disclaimer) i didn't read the rest
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Oh i know, i don't necessarily declare the women there blameless. But what i'm saying is

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So that's how i understand redpill. And i believe my views show that i'm not in the spectrum at all, since (as i've said) i'm an outsider and a non-participant to the culture. But i'm an internet user, and the participants of said culture have allowed the world to see their woes via this medium.

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EDIT 2: pardon me for interrupting the discussion here, as it's straying away from the designated topic.
 
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monsterartisan said:
Heavily disagree. A good author can make it creative. Hypnotism can be done in so many ways. Recently, this discourse around hypno and NTR is starting to become a "pineapple on pizza" type of arguing. Where I feel like people just agree because it's the popular opinion.

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it is a matter of taste that is why I said it was a fetish, it is only enjoyable if you like hipnotism.

as for you second question well a writing excersise:

I anonsuit-sensei am writing a sex scene.

and Nampa-san approaches Girly-chan he pulls the zipper of his pants and reveals his massive dick whose shadow creates an eclipse over Girly-chan's face.

hmm how I anonsuit-sensei should write about Girly-chan's response:
  • if she blushes and hides her face it shows how she is ashamed, and if she looks between her eyes i show that she is kinda interested
  • if i make her scared I can show that she feels threatened and then Nampa-san can manipulate or coerce her.
  • or I could have her blush and smile, it turns out Girly-chan was a slut all along!!
Or I could have Nampa-san pull out a cellphone hypnotize her and save my self thinking about character development. I mean is it rape if she does not even remember it happening?

this is a variant of IF you rape a tree in the woods and the tree does not remember because you hypnotized it, did it make sex noises? did it get raped?

hipnotism has 0 narrative value and it is purely a fetish. nothing bad with it. for example I like bondage but I do not like fictional bondage the same way.
 
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anonsuit said:
it is a matter of taste that is why I said it was a fetish, it is only enjoyable if you like hipnotism.

as for you second question well a writing excersise:

I anonsuit-sensei am writing a sex scene.

and Nampa-san approaches Girly-chan he pulls the zipper of his pants and reveals his massive dick whose shadow creates an eclipse over Girly-chan's face.

hmm how I anonsuit-sensei should write about Girly-chan's response:
  • if she blushes and hides her face it shows how she is ashamed, and if she looks between her eyes i show that she is kinda interested
  • if i make her scared I can show that she feels threatened and then Nampa-san can manipulate or coerce her.
  • or I could have her blush and smile, it turns out Girly-chan was a slut all along!!
Or I could have Nampa-san pull out a cellphone hypnotize her and save my self thinking about character development. I mean is it rape if she does not even remember it happening?

this is a variant of IF you rape a tree in the woods and the tree does not remember because you hypnotized it, did it make sex noises? did it get raped?

hipnotism has 0 narrative value and it is purely a fetish. nothing bad with it. for example I like bondage but I do not like fictional bondage the same way.
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You should read a lot of other previous posts. It seems you are just assuming it in one singular form. and no this "writing exercise" still does not explain whatever "characters are hypnotized by the author" mean. Unless you have problems getting immersed in a story or are used to bad writing. Then you should not be equating it like that in the first place.

have a good day
 
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monsterartisan said:
Heavily disagree. A good author can make it creative. Hypnotism can be done in so many ways. Recently, this discourse around hypno and NTR is starting to become a "pineapple on pizza" type of arguing. Where I feel like people just agree because it's the popular opinion.
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True, there is potential for good Hypno NTR but people avoid spending time playing Hypno NTR games because most of them are boring and the LI slips really fast making the NTR boring and predictable. It's more of a problem with the premise because it isn't easy to make a Hypno NTR story not snowball into sex after 2-5 interactions.
 
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qwwettyippoity

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cowardleech said:
True, there is potential for good Hypno NTR but people avoid spending time playing Hypno NTR games because most of them are boring and the LI slips really fast making the NTR boring and predictable. It's more of a problem with the premise because it isn't easy to make a Hypno NTR story not snowball into sex after 2-5 interactions.
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Hypno NTR is good when its an implementation on something and not strait in to sex after the 1 session of hypno
 
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a753015 said:
Hypno NTR is good when its an implementation on something and not strait in to sex after the 1 session of hypno
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Personally I like hypno when there are big limitations on it. So it works by changing slight behavioral things rather than hypnotizing someone and telling them "suck my dick", and then they in a trance do it.

Having stuff like "you will be turned on by X and X" can be fun. Its like planting a hook that they can then abuse. I mean it still cannot really end up in a very hard ntr imo, but nothing wrong about lighter games from time to time.
 
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Seven Soft

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Lol, i guess that's how it is within the greatest society's culture.

As i've said, i'm from the outside so i don't play their games. And i don't consume Netorare works from a vicarious perspective. I don't sympathize with the MC, nor any other character in the story. I'm just a distant observer, finding entertainment in the bitter unfolding of what others consider to be "reality" (i.e. make-believe fantasies) being superseded by actual reality. But i myself don't glorify Netorare; i just think it is the organic resultant of what the modern "western" youth culture holds dear.

I'm guessing many of you actually agree with this albeit begrudgingly. Which is why people came to the AVN scene; as an escape from the ugly reality. All i'm trying to do is find works which embraces said reality. But i struggle to find it, since my observation tells me that authors/writers/devs tend to have a warped and distorted view of reality. They too still believe in make-believe fantasies, and it is reflected in their writing. Or alternatively, they tried to caricature said reality out a misunderstanding thereof (at least in my opinion), resulting in formulaic tropes that is straying away from realism to the point of being questionably believable (albeit the story being marketed as realistic).

The above is also why i actually am the (presumable) few who greatly desires for this site's most popular college-life (fantasy simulator) VN to veer towards Netorare (lol). Since i don't believe for one bit that there is genuine virtue nor chastity among the proponents of the party culture (e.g. why don't the main girls also come to "have fun" and get around, since they've no strings attached to the MC?). It also tries to sell the fantasy that debauchery and true & lasting brotherhood can go hand in hand, whereas people who understand the real world will instinctively know that it is one of the furthest things from the truth.

EDIT: in case you may have thought i find pleasure in my (hypothetical) wife/girlfriend's infidelity; i don't. You may have thought so (if you did) because you assume i "self-insert" myself onto MC; i hardly ever. Although i find pleasure in seeing a dude who is so slyly proud of himself for his "catch", and confident about her faithfulness, getting slapped with the harsh reality of being severely wrong. I liked seeing the self-proclaimed "alpha" being forced to pay his dues by getting his turn of being cheated on (as is prevalent in real life).

That's how i view and enjoy Netorare works, albeit a little harsh. And hence i find it a pity that authors in this genre always decide to "play it safe" and have yet another wimp as the MC.
 
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