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LordFrz

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What would your perfect heroine corruption be in ntr? I see a lot of criticism about how heroine fell, it being too easy, disliking the way it happened etc.

So rather than saying how its not supposed to be, how do you think would the perfect heroine fall happen? Possibly with an example of a game that accomplishes that.
There needs to be a reason she falls that's not forced. She slowly gets corrupted and falls for something she usta hate. In fact the more the game sets up how she hated the guy, the better when she falls. Say you have a karate girl who Is about justice, then both a weak ugly bastard or a dirtbag gigachad playboy would work once they turned her from a righteous girl to a criminal slut.

And when I say it cant be forced, things like blackmail, mindcontrol, hypnosis, aphrodisiac, or getting her drunk, etc; don't really do it for me either. Say, the dude smacks her ass, she hates this so she hits the guy back. But after a few days of hitting her ass she starts to like it. And it escalated from there, and the girls starts getting horney from it. Or less molety would be the guy just complements her, or tells her he wants to go out. Eventually, she caves and just goes on this date because she wants him to leave her alone, but she ends up having a great time. This leads to more romantic things, that get her more and more into the guy.

But the guy still needs to be a bad dude or it just ends up being vanilla. Say the first date she has fun, but he is a shit bag to the wait staff. She hates this at first but eventually she doesn't care, and the guy just starts being more and more of a piece of shit. But she stops caring. Just have a gradual decline in how she acted before that corrupts her. Things that would have made her leave date 1 end up not bothering her by date 5. Just whatever it is needs to slowly degrade her actions and beliefs she started with. So if she is a nun who cares for the kids, the little shit corrupting her changes her into a slut nun who doesn't give a shit about the orphans.

Thats a bit of an innocent rambling, sorry. Porn is a hard thing to lock down because something could follow your script perfectly and it still just wont hit. lol
 

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What would your perfect heroine corruption be in ntr? I see a lot of criticism about how heroine fell, it being too easy, disliking the way it happened etc.

So rather than saying how its not supposed to be, how do you think would the perfect heroine fall happen? Possibly with an example of a game that accomplishes that.
Observing the following points is essential:
1. Actions and decisions must be justifiable, meaning we should not be upset or angry with the FMC because as long as we love the FMC, being NTRed will be enjoyable.
2. The story must be logical; a foolish story prevents connection and immersion.
Some of the points I mentioned are not directly related to your question, but they are indirectly relevant.
 
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There needs to be a reason she falls that's not forced. She slowly gets corrupted and falls for something she usta hate. In fact the more the game sets up how she hated the guy, the better when she falls. Say you have a karate girl who Is about justice, then both a weak ugly bastard or a dirtbag gigachad playboy would work once they turned her from a righteous girl to a criminal slut.

And when I say it cant be forced, things like blackmail, mindcontrol, hypnosis, aphrodisiac, or getting her drunk, etc; don't really do it for me either. Say, the dude smacks her ass, she hates this so she hits the guy back. But after a few days of hitting her ass she starts to like it. And it escalated from there, and the girls starts getting horney from it. Or less molety would be the guy just complements her, or tells her he wants to go out. Eventually, she caves and just goes on this date because she wants him to leave her alone, but she ends up having a great time. This leads to more romantic things, that get her more and more into the guy.

But the guy still needs to be a bad dude or it just ends up being vanilla. Say the first date she has fun, but he is a shit bag to the wait staff. She hates this at first but eventually she doesn't care, and the guy just starts being more and more of a piece of shit. But she stops caring. Just have a gradual decline in how she acted before that corrupts her. Things that would have made her leave date 1 end up not bothering her by date 5. Just whatever it is needs to slowly degrade her actions and beliefs she started with. So if she is a nun who cares for the kids, the little shit corrupting her changes her into a slut nun who doesn't give a shit about the orphans.

Thats a bit of an innocent rambling, sorry. Porn is a hard thing to lock down because something could follow your script perfectly and it still just wont hit. lol
Can't be forced, proceeds to give example of sexual assault.
 

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Can't be forced, proceeds to give example of sexual assault.
I would not say getting smacked on the ass is the same as raped. I also gave an example without that because I knew someone would get butt hurt, lol.
 

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I would not say getting smacked on the ass is the same as raped. I also gave an example without that because I knew someone would get butt hurt, lol.
Sexual assault is not just rape. And just pointing out the inconsistency in your logic. No need project saying people are butthurt for calling it out.
 
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Yep, not my thing.
 
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What would your perfect heroine corruption be in ntr? I see a lot of criticism about how heroine fell, it being too easy, disliking the way it happened etc.

So rather than saying how its not supposed to be, how do you think would the perfect heroine fall happen? Possibly with an example of a game that accomplishes that.

For me, I don't really like how formulaic the corruption of the heroine tends to be. You know; hatred > humiliation > handjob > blow job > virginity > anal > pregnancy > dressing up in a cow costume > becoming the village bicycle > etc. Once the heroine becomes full slut, her initial personality is lost, making the NTR aspect a somewhat moot point. She becomes a brand new character, wearing the old heroine's skin.

Rather, I prefer when the heroine is able to compartmentalise her feelings into two categories: emotional security, and sexual pleasure. So she would still seek out the protagonist when she needs warmth and affection, and she would seek out the antagonist when she needs cathartic release.

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For me it's always the best when the girl falls for the other guy by her own will. No blackmail or anything, just the other guy being better in every way rather than her own man. Of course this kind of scenario is pretty rare in NTR fiction (big sad), not that rare IRL I think.
Observing the following points is essential:
1. Actions and decisions must be justifiable, meaning we should not be upset or angry with the FMC because as long as we love the FMC, being NTRed will be enjoyable.
2. The story must be logical; a foolish story prevents connection and immersion.
3. The FMC and MC should not be foolish; most people get angry when the MC and FMC are foolish.
4. The main pleasure is in the journey, not the destination, meaning it should be a slow burn with tension building up continuously. This does not mean content-light updates; each update should be satisfying.
5. Showing deep love between the MC and FMC is necessary to increase tension and the enjoyment of NTR.
6: And I think most people prefer a main character with an average personality. Far fewer people like a loser/weak/pathetic main character or an alpha main character.
Some of the points I mentioned are not directly related to your question, but they are indirectly relevant.
Using these as valid points, I’m surprised so many people want a “good” NTR game that also is basically consensual with the FMC. And if we’re saying unwanted sexual harassment, molestation up to a certain degree is fine but threats aren’t… I think that’s just picking your own preferences, but not accurate for judging what makes NTR good as a genre.

When it comes to NTR, there are very few narratives where you can have characters that love the MC and are logical, while not being forced to warp their view/personality through some unwanted action (blackmail/harassment/rape/etc). Unless you’re into BSS, but I’m not into it because it often doesn’t satisfy points 3 and 5.If the bull is just better in every regard and the MC is a loser, it isn’t logical for her to be “stolen.” If she doesn’t just leave the MC, it’ll just fall into cheating/Netori from the other perspective.

As long as it’s logical enough to keep you immersed and 4 is done well, I personally don’t care too much about the ethical/moral means of how the FMC got into her position. Hypnosis/Blackmail/Drugs are rarely done well because they often just jump you from point A to point F without aligning any of that with the corruption/stealing of feelings. Not a fan of them either, but I won’t say there aren’t good works out there.
 

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Any games where you play as a husband/father, being cucked as someone claims your wife and daughter(s) and son(s)?
 

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Maybe I'm a bit biased because I just played and am a fan of Chima Lab's games, but I think they're very good at doing the corruption!
  • The heroine starts off by hating the antagonist, but eventually falls for the antagonist's consistent attacks.
  • The antagonist slowly chips away at the heroine's defenses, until they eventually fall.
    • Each action builds up, and intensifies. So you can clearly see the progression of the corruption.
  • The heroine's character remains consistent, but you can see the personality changes due to the corruption.
  • There are physical changes. e.g. tattoos, markings, different clothing, etc.
  • There must be stakes!
    • For example, the heroine falls because of her choices/actions or the male protagonists choices/actions, which allowed the antagonist to take advantage.
    • The male protagonist also has a way to fight back against the antagonist.
    • The male protagonist loses the heroine, but is able save here at the last second and/or win back the heroine.
      • Even when the protagonist wins back the heroine, the heroine is forever changed. e.g. She could be thinking about the antagonist while masturbating or having sex with the protagonist.
    • Having no choices is boring.
    • Also, having the protagonist despair at the end regardless of choices is also boring, so I like to make up anti-NTR endings for the catharsis lol.
  • Having a Pure/ True Love ending only enhances the NTR, in my opinion.

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-rift-in-the-crypt-final-chimalabo.166498/ - IMO, the corruption for this game is very well done:
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My problem with being able to stop the ntr is that then I have to ACTIVELY trigger it, as I dont know any game where it was so hard to beat I didnt have to act like a toddler to actually trigger it. And then it starts feeling like netorase, not netorare.

My most favorite games all deprive you of choice. Henteria games, old ntrpg, boy hero ken, solgante, thug hero party, clipick games.

I think that its very hard to tell a good cohesive story and heroine corruption for netorare WHILE giving you a choice. The game you listed is quite rare.
 

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My problem with being able to stop the ntr is that then I have to ACTIVELY trigger it, as I dont know any game where it was so hard to beat I didnt have to act like a toddler to actually trigger it. And then it starts feeling like netorase, not netorare.
THIS! The NTR games barely present any challenge for preventing the cuckolding: usually it's some choices with obvious consequences or just not losing battles. I don't want to intentionally fail myself, I want a struggle! So far only Leane 2 and some early Kegani lab games scratched that itch for me...
 
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Using these as valid points, I’m surprised so many people want a “good” NTR game that also is basically consensual with the FMC. And if we’re saying unwanted sexual harassment, molestation up to a certain degree is fine but threats aren’t… I think that’s just picking your own preferences, but not accurate for judging what makes NTR good as a genre.

When it comes to NTR, there are very few narratives where you can have characters that love the MC and are logical, while not being forced to warp their view/personality through some unwanted action (blackmail/harassment/rape/etc). Unless you’re into BSS, but I’m not into it because it often doesn’t satisfy points 3 and 5.If the bull is just better in every regard and the MC is a loser, it isn’t logical for her to be “stolen.” If she doesn’t just leave the MC, it’ll just fall into cheating/Netori from the other perspective.

As long as it’s logical enough to keep you immersed and 4 is done well, I personally don’t care too much about the ethical/moral means of how the FMC got into her position. Hypnosis/Blackmail/Drugs are rarely done well because they often just jump you from point A to point F without aligning any of that with the corruption/stealing of feelings. Not a fan of them either, but I won’t say there aren’t good works out there.
I think the problem with things like blackmail drugs, etc is its almost always instant corruption. Like, "suck my dick or I forclose your house". It doesn't have any buildup. There are always exceptions where someone can use that method and it be something I really enjoy. But the standard slop just never does it well so I end up just not even bothing when something has that in it.

There just needs to be a logic to it and it needs to happen gradually. But good NTR is always going to be a personal preference, you will never have a standard "good" definition.
 
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my only problem was that the DLC scenes have no invesment required to unlock them besides aproacing a place or doing a mision that is easier than the fairly easy
What would your perfect heroine corruption be in ntr? I see a lot of criticism about how heroine fell, it being too easy, disliking the way it happened etc.

So rather than saying how its not supposed to be, how do you think would the perfect heroine fall happen? Possibly with an example of a game that accomplishes that.
  • depends, a maiden type personality would be perfect falling by simply being in denial. doing all the corruption stuff while still believing themselves to be pure.
  • a tsundere type would be cool to see fall as they sacrifice everything to protect a love that may not even care about them.
  • for the quiet type something like exposure and hidden sex would be best.
  • and for the boisterous type some domination.

in the end it depends on the character. like when you demolish buildings you have to think on the best way to fall and that includes the buildings that surround them or how they were build.
 
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my only problem was that the DLC scenes have no invesment required to unlock them besides aproacing a place or doing a mision that is easier than the fairly easy


  • depends, a maiden type personality would be perfect falling by simply being in denial. doing all the corruption stuff while still believing themselves to be pure.
  • a tsundere type would be cool to see fall as they sacrifice everything to protect a love that may not even care about them.
  • for the quiet type something like exposure and hidden sex would be best.
  • and for the boisterous type some domination.

in the end it depends on the character. like when you demolish buildings you have to think on the best way to fall and that includes the buildings that surround them or how they were build.
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bro you're leaving out the stong confident mature type getting broken down into a cock addicted mess
 
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What would your perfect heroine corruption be in ntr? I see a lot of criticism about how heroine fell, it being too easy, disliking the way it happened etc.

So rather than saying how its not supposed to be, how do you think would the perfect heroine fall happen? Possibly with an example of a game that accomplishes that.
In general, we have the NTR Type ABC from all the responses. This is a very old classification from vndb

Type A: consensual
Type B: non-con > consensual
Type C: non-con only

Regardless of whatever flavor, there are core tenets that have to exist in every sort of game.

1. Heroine is beautiful.

Physically, mentally, spiritually, morally: she exudes grace and class that puts her above the rest. JP games love to do the ditsy pretty heroine troupe, but I personally love the "strong female character" that we have here in the West. Think Tracer, Aloy, Tifa Lockhart, Wonderwoman, Spidergirl, etc. She's top of class beauty in what exemplifies of a woman.
As such, Type A would never work for me. The moment a heroine cheats because "the other guy is better", she is no longer chaste (in the sense that she devotes her love to a singular man). She becomes ugly.

2. Game is logical.

I would say 85% of NTR games fail this. Right off the bat, classic "get sexually harassed until she is used to it" doesn't work. The slow "corruption" of first touching her ass, grabbing her tits, then making her handjob, blowjob, etc. No real female character would fall for that shit. I'd like to invite authors to think of their dream girl, their girlfriends, wife, etc. How would you as a bad guy get her to love you? It sure ain't fucking her with your 8 inch cock until she becomes a vegetable. That's not how real life works. I invite men without sexual experience to visit communities of women and learn what women like. My recent favorite is /r/HLWomenOnly, where women with high libido complain about not getting fucked properly. /r/TheGirlSurvivalGuide is another. Tons of women post about sex on there, writing about their first time and their "lost love".

There was one recently about how some feminist girl hate "rough sex" in "porn culture" that "rots men's brains", but she loves it with this one guy because she can really "let loose" and let him take control. They write about how that requires trust and intimacy. You do not see this level of writing in any h-games. Men don't do their basic research and write shit games. I personally love Eva Kisse's girls because some of the depraved shit done to her FMCs are written really well in the S & M space.

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If a NTR game can fulfill these 2 basic criteria: they're already top 5%. I don't care if their art sucks, if there is no music, if it's a VN, etc. Write a good story, write believable dialog, write good characters.

Aside from that, give me a good NTR game where the heroine is truly forced to do sexual things (with a real reason, not the classic "oh no he has a video of me having sex with my husband") or "he's going to bully my son".

Some scenarios:
1. Bad guy has blackmail material that could land wife's man in jail or executed. Think leaking State Secrets, evidence that the loved one committed some serious crimes (whether it is misunderstanding or not, whatever. Just make the wife believe it).
2. Woman is forced to suck and fuck due to hard times. For example, during war times where there is no food, woman is forced so have sex with the enemy occupiers secretly in order to provide for the family. She feels guility and is used like a cum rag. Give me a cute little Church Girl getting her face fucked by the meaniest baddiest man.
3. Man falls into a coma for 2 years and the woman hooks up with one of his enemy. Woman does not know that they don't get along. Man wakes up, woman feels guility but has feelings for the bad guy. Bad guy torments man at work / school when he is trying to rehab, secretly behind the woman.
4. Bad guy rapes woman after he beats her in a fight. Think the classic Tomboy troupe where the woman is a badass and the man is passive, kind, etc. Has a bunch of videos of her absolutely being humiliatied. Girl is afraid that her man will actually kill himself if he finds out, so they sign a contract to suck and fuck behind his back for a period of time. She never falls for the bad guy, but admits she likes the rough sex. After the contract is over, she doesn't "crave cock" and leaves the husband but the bad guy reveals it and the man kills himself
 
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