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Yeah it was surprising to me because the two situations basically happened within days of each other.
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This horse will never die. I don't understand why people think putting a goal is such a strange thing. We didnt invent the concept...every freaking patreon page has one. First, go read our goal, we've updated it to clear confusion. Secondly, I don't know why it's so hard to understand that we're working on another game...so what do you want? We can delete our "Goal" and just say we'll get to it some day... God knows when... or we can say, hey guys, listen, if we reach this amount of money, we'll be able to work on 2 games and give you OOL updates on the regular as well as UHA updates on the regular... Why is that so hard to understand? Man alive.
Because this is a patreon, and not an office where a fixed salary is issued every month. And donates are gratitude from the players to the developers, and not payment for their working time.
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"Their working time" is the issue at hand. More money from support means more working time available. Less money means less working time available and the development has to be done on found time. In simpler terms, the ability to work on a game is directly correlated to the support available. Patreon IS actually the salary for many DEVS who have the support required to actually work full time on their games, so your comment is irrelevant and uninformed.
And your ultimatum is appropriate, right? Now you have 125 subscribers to whom you offer to pay for waiting for new subscribers who may never come. A month has passed since your ultimatum and I don't see much excitement or a queue of people who are ready to invest money not even in your game, but in waiting for new half-subscribers of your game. On the contrary, on the day of the ultimatum, your monthly income was around five hundred, now you have slipped to four hundred. One of your games is abandoned, the second is frozen indefinitely... Do you really think that with such a reputation there will be a sufficient number of people willing to make the number of their joint monetary investments last up to two thousand? I personally doubt this, and the falling number of your monthly income only confirms this.
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Well, as much as I understand your point of view, I think it's a bit ungratefull for the patreons that already pledged, expecting the game to be fully complete someday. It's nice to start another one, but why not finish this one first ?
This is exactly why I am reluctant to be a patreon to game developers who don't complete their games.
There should be an option to give a defined amount once the game is complete, like when you buy an ordinary game, as would a consumer do.
That being said, I hope you'll reach your goal and be able to continue the good work.
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Silk_Ari Dude, at this point you're just feeding trolls.
Stop replying to the idiots & they'll soon STFU, once they get over being so butt-hurt because the game they do not pay for is not being continued atm.
They'll find another game to pirate, that they can behave like such entitled twats about.
I don't pay for your game, I pirate it. Let me tell you how to run things with it.
No. You have no right to.
Fuck off.
Yes, if devs don't complete games then supporting them is risky.
But, if people don't support them by becoming patrons, then why would/how can they complete a project which is not bringing enough financial recompense?
They are not shareholders, or employers & are not entitled to a finished product.
If that's what they "expect", then they need to manage their own expectations better.
A "patron" is not held at gunpoint.
It's a choice which they make. If they are not happy with the situation, or the product, they can withdraw their support at any time.
Stop replying to the idiots & they'll soon STFU, once they get over being so butt-hurt because the game they do not pay for is not being continued atm.
They'll find another game to pirate, that they can behave like such entitled twats about.
I don't pay for your game, I pirate it. Let me tell you how to run things with it.
No. You have no right to.
Fuck off.
This is a bit "chicken/egg".
Yes, if devs don't complete games then supporting them is risky.
But, if people don't support them by becoming patrons, then why would/how can they complete a project which is not bringing enough financial recompense?
A "patron" is just someone who gives financial support.
They are not shareholders, or employers & are not entitled to a finished product.
If that's what they "expect", then they need to manage their own expectations better.
A "patron" is not held at gunpoint.
It's a choice which they make. If they are not happy with the situation, or the product, they can withdraw their support at any time.
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If [Ruth+1] >4 marcy fuck what is this ruth+1 then greater then 4 are you confused
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yes, yes I know... somehow I keep getting sucked in thinking maybe they have an argument or some kind of point, and then 15 minutes later, Im like...wtf am I doing?
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Sad news. As soon as I played OOL, I became a subscriber, because I really enjoyed the game. It had, what I think, is an interesting new take on the mafia genre, and I genuinely liked many of the characters. Plus, the writing and story is quite compelling.
I don't think all the bad-mouthing of the dev is fair. If you are here, it is because you enjoyed the game at some point. Nothing requires that HSA continues development of OOL forever. Just like with any job, if it isn't what you had hoped, or you aren't getting the promotion you think you deserve, you can always leave and find another job. Which is basically what HSA is doing.
Plus, devs don't have to hang around here on F95 and shoot the shit with all of us, so really, we should appreciation devs that are active in the community, and appreciate their work to make a game we all enjoy, rather than make ridiculous assertions of holding their game hostage.
To provide another analogy, if you are selling a car, and you think it is worth $12,000, and the dealer wants to pay $8,000. If you leave with your car, are you holding it hostage? Of course not, so this argument makes no logical sense at all.
Game development isn't forced labor. However, I can't help but wish that devs would commit, at some point, to finishing their game, at whatever speed they can manage. But if their heart isn't in it, and they don't enjoy doing it for their own personal reasons, it isn't going to happen.
But, that is life, and I understand Silk Ari, that you rather focus your attentions on your more profitable game, that you have more long term interest in, especially if you aren't getting the level of support you feel you want.
Still, I can't help buy feel quite disappointed that I won't be able to see the story to its conclusion, or spend more time with your characters and your story.
Good luck. I am afraid finding the magic formula for a game that makes thousands a month, is not easy, is not typical among game developers, and doesn't really have any rhyme or reason. Many games inferior to OOL, in my opinion, make 4 or 5 times what this game makes, and many that are of similar quality make even less.
I don't think all the bad-mouthing of the dev is fair. If you are here, it is because you enjoyed the game at some point. Nothing requires that HSA continues development of OOL forever. Just like with any job, if it isn't what you had hoped, or you aren't getting the promotion you think you deserve, you can always leave and find another job. Which is basically what HSA is doing.
Plus, devs don't have to hang around here on F95 and shoot the shit with all of us, so really, we should appreciation devs that are active in the community, and appreciate their work to make a game we all enjoy, rather than make ridiculous assertions of holding their game hostage.
To provide another analogy, if you are selling a car, and you think it is worth $12,000, and the dealer wants to pay $8,000. If you leave with your car, are you holding it hostage? Of course not, so this argument makes no logical sense at all.
Game development isn't forced labor. However, I can't help but wish that devs would commit, at some point, to finishing their game, at whatever speed they can manage. But if their heart isn't in it, and they don't enjoy doing it for their own personal reasons, it isn't going to happen.
But, that is life, and I understand Silk Ari, that you rather focus your attentions on your more profitable game, that you have more long term interest in, especially if you aren't getting the level of support you feel you want.
Still, I can't help buy feel quite disappointed that I won't be able to see the story to its conclusion, or spend more time with your characters and your story.
Good luck. I am afraid finding the magic formula for a game that makes thousands a month, is not easy, is not typical among game developers, and doesn't really have any rhyme or reason. Many games inferior to OOL, in my opinion, make 4 or 5 times what this game makes, and many that are of similar quality make even less.
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We said we will continue the story, it's just a matter of WHEN. Right now, we prefer to work on UHA for several reasons, mainly because we are trying new concepts and new formats, the goal is to grow our skills and our portfolio of games. The sad truth is we can't do BOTH. game development at the same time, so we're concetrating on getting another IP our there. to generate more interest in ALL our games, eventually. we will get to chapter 2....the whole point is not IF it's WHEN.
5 posts later... dev sucks.. bribe, hostage etc. etc.
5 posts later... dev sucks.. bribe, hostage etc. etc.
Did you think that after one ultimatum, you will simply be paid five times more? No, you really hoped for this, right?
