VN Ren'Py One Day at a Time [Ch. 17c] [Zoey Raven]

[MF_DOOM]

So, one thing I have to say about the games writing so far, and lots of VNs are doing it tho. I play as a certain character but I can "hear" other people thoughts(Like Lydia's and Mari's), I am always turned off by this type of writing.
Thats what I liked about Our Red String for example, the only indication of somebody's thoughts was a description of their body language.
But apart from that the story is very engaging so far.

 

[Zoey Raven]

Nobody posted Mary and I think she deserved it, so here goes!

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[Zoey Raven]

So, one thing I have to say about the games writing so far, and lots of VNs are doing it tho. I play as a certain character but I can "hear" other people thoughts(Like Lydia's and Mari's), I am always turned off by this type of writing.
Thats what I liked about Our Red String for example, the only indication of somebody's thoughts was a description of their body language.
But apart from that the story is very engaging so far.

I'm not completely sure what you mean, but I think I have an idea. The game is all written super realistically and in a stream of consciousness manner like that. I'm not a fan of the game you mentioned, not saying it isn't good, just doesn't do anything for me. I know I'm in the minority with that, and I know she is incredibly talented, it's just not my thing.

 

[MF_DOOM]

I'm not completely sure what you mean, but it's all written super realistically and in a stream of consciousness manner like that.

The inner monologue is fine, the fact that I can read Mary's inner monologue is off-putting for me tho, since most VNs are supposed to be a POV of a certain character.
I know lots of VNs are doing it but I dont like it anyway :\

 

[Walter Victor]

I'm not completely sure what you mean, but it's all written super realistically and in a stream of consciousness manner like that. I'm not a fan of the game you mentioned, not saying it isn't good, just doesn't do anything for me. I know I'm in the minority with that, and I know she is incredibly talented, it's just not my thing.

I have always thought that seeing the thoughts of NPCs ADDS to the narrative. I know some people hate it, but I LOVE it!

 

[MF_DOOM]

I have always thought that seeing the thoughts of NPCs ADDS to the narrative. I know some people hate it, but I LOVE it!

Yeah, I am definitely one of those people who hates it

 

[Zoey Raven]

The inner monologue is fine, the fact that I can read Mary's inner monologue is off-putting for me tho, since most VNs are supposed to be a POV of a certain character.
I know lots of VNs are doing it but I dont like it anyway :\

That's cool, I don't necessarily think VN's are supposed to be anything. Some are done 3rd person even. But, I'd never tell someone they aren't entitled to like what they like, and I'm with Walter Victor I believe it gives insight you'd not be able to read just by body language all the time. I do it in sex scenes a lot, but I certainly don't abuse it outside of that. IMO in sex scenes it's the only way to do them, unless you just want a bunch of Uh Oh Ah fuck me's in there right jaw1986baby? It was actually him and TD the writer from Pale Carnations who got me to change how I looked at writing my sex scenes, and I feel I was so much the better for it. I don't take many suggestions on how to develop my game, but every now and then some of them just make sense to at least try, and that one worked out.

 

[MF_DOOM]

That's cool, I don't necessarily think VN's are supposed to be anything. Some are done 3rd person even. But, I'd never tell someone they aren't entitled to like what they like, and I'm with Walter Victor I believe it gives insight you'd not be able to read just by body language all the time. I do it in sex scenes a lot, but I certainly don't abuse it outside of that. IMO in sex scenes it's the only way to do them, unless you just want a bunch of Uh Oh Ah fuck me's in there right jaw1986baby? It was actually him and TD the writer from Pale Carnations who got me to change how I looked at writing my sex scenes, and I feel I was so much the better for it. I don't take many suggestions on how develop my game, but every now and then some of them just make sense to at least try, and that one worked out.

Yeah thats fine, I understand why you do it, It's just not my cup of tea.
What I do like very much so far is the inner monologues the MC got about addiction and how it works. It's superb, somewhat educational even lol.

 

[Zoey Raven]

Yeah thats fine, I understand why you do it, It's just not my cup of tea.
What I do like very much so far is the inner monologues the MC got about addiction and how it works. It's superb, somewhat educational even lol.

See I had one dude post in here that it came off like I was "writing a term paper", and you like it. As a dev you are damned if you do and damned if you don't because you'll never please everyone. I saw this so much when I was just a modder. So I made a pledge to myself I was going to create the game I wanted to create how I wanted to create it, and let the chips fall where they may.

I've seen so many devs try to please everybody, (I know a lot of you in the thread have heard me say all this before) and their games just end up being shit, because they didn't follow their vision.

 

[MF_DOOM]

See I had one dude post in there that it came off like I was "writing a term paper", and you like it

Well, I play VNs for a good story and not a quick fap. Most devs and players forgot that the N in VN stands for novel.

 

[Zoey Raven]

HAHA! From this point forward, anyone who facepalms the OP, I'm going to DM them with just a facepalm emoji back! I think that's right? Would be cool if Sam could somehow code it to where you could only "Like" or "Love" game threads OP's and all other emoji's are shut off. No lie, I get 3 of these every release. It's like how do you know, you didn't even play it! LOL

 

[Zoey Raven]

Well, I play VNs for a good story and not a quick fap. Most devs and players forgot that the N in VN stands for novel.

With that we are in total agreement. If I'm going to look for that sort of fare, I'm going to porn hub. Not to say the sexual component doesn't enhance the experience of a VN, because I think it's vital to the relationships. But, it needs to be in the context of the game.

Story first, or I'm out. A lot of people think because they have a video card and watched a few Daz tutorials it's time to make a VN. It takes so much more than that, and they realize it later. That's why you see so many abandoned games. Many devs put the least emphasis on the writing part of the craft and they end up finding out more often than not, that's what's gonna determine whether you sink or swim.

 

[Zoey Raven]

Nearly 3 years of development, 14 Chapters in and we still get at least one fetish beggar per update!

 

[Kassan06969]

There are also ones that do all story and no sex, and that sucks. Especially when it goes 3+ years no sex.

 

[jaw1986baby]

With that we are in total agreement. If I'm going to look for that sort of fare, I'm going to porn hub. Not to say the sexual component doesn't enhance the experience of a VN, because I think it's vital to the relationships. But, it needs to be in the context of the game.

Story first, or I'm out. A lot of people think because they have a video card and watched a few Daz tutorials it's time to make a VN. It takes so much more than that, and they realize it later. That's why you see so many abandoned games. Many devs put the least emphasis on the writing part of the craft and they end up finding out more often than not, that's what's gonna determine whether you sink or swim.

100%

I have gotten to the point where I want porn to try harder with stories but I like AVNs so much more. Like sex scenes can be good but they are better when you are into the plot of what is going on




But I may be weird

 

[MF_DOOM]

But, it needs to be in the context of the game.

Very much true, thats why I hate games where the MC is blessed with magic dick that attracts all women like shit attracts flies.

 

[Zoey Raven]

There are also ones that do all story and no sex, and that sucks. Especially when it goes 3+ years no sex.

Yea, I agree, that's lame too. I can think of about 4 or 5 off the top of my head that do that. One game is super highly rated and I think it's got a BJ and that's it or something. I won't name names because I don't rate games and would never openly disparage another developers work, but I can still have an unspoken opinion.

 

[Zoey Raven]

Very much true, thats why I hate games where the MC is blessed with magic dick that attracts all women like shit attracts flies.

Well, my game is sort of in a harem style (not in the traditional sense) and if you treat the girls well they're gonna like your dick, but if you don't they won't. However they'll still be flirty and your friend. I couldn't have written this and just cut characters out of it with pathing. All of them are too vital to the story, as you'll see the more you play.

 

[Kassan06969]

Yea, I agree, that's lame too. I can think of about 4 or 5 off the top of my head that do that. One game is super highly rated and I think it's got a BJ and that's it or something. I won't name names because I don't rate games and would never openly disparage another developers work, but I can still have an unspoken opinion.

The one I'm specifically thinking is a female protagonist that only had sex with the husband so far. She's married to the husband and has children (a hint at the title.)

 

[Zoey Raven]

The one I'm specifically thinking is a female protagonist that only had sex with the husband so far. She's married to the husband and has children (a hint at the title.)

That game has been called out by other devs already I think. Wasn't it Timestamps who did something with Bacon begging the same character model to fuck him, because the dev of the game was shitting on Timestamps? I think I remember that correctly. I don't mind mentioning their name (Timestamps devs), because those guys are cool, and I'm not saying anything that's not already in their game anyway.

I was thinking of another dev, who I won't mention, because people would give me shit about it, due to the fact so many absolutely love his game, and to be fair it's really well done, there's just not much sex in it.