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and there goes my theory of MC being the father of her kids and she never told him in order to keep him away from kids until he is out of addiction.

Barb broke up with MC when she decided to give up drugs...right? and barb couldn't get the kids because she was still taking things. did barb cheat on MC or they had something like open relationship kind of arrangement? since MC fucked jewellery owner's wife and bard had no problem with it so i just thought.
Barb was his girl he drugged with before Lydia. She had to break it off with him to try and get sober, the kids happened by an unknown man she got knock up by when she was trying to get sober. That's all there will be to that. I've told people thought, I don't rule out pregnancy as a tag in this game for a few of the endings etc. But as far as Barb and the guy she was with, that's not gonna be touched on much. If she would have gotten pregnant by MC it would have been while she was still in high school because she dumped him after she graduated and he was two years behind, that's all I'm going to say on this for now, but that's all in the game apart from the father being a faceless nobody part. I just answered the guys question about if we would see him and you won't, he has nothing to add to the story the way I envision it.
 

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Barb was his girl he drugged with before Lydia. She had to break it off with him to try and get sober, the kids happened by an unknown man she got knock up by when she was trying to get sober. That's all there will be to that. I've told people thought, I don't rule out pregnancy as a tag in this game for a few of the endings etc. But as far as Barb and the guy she was with, that's not gonna be touched on much. If she would have gotten pregnant by MC it would have been while she was still in high school because she dumped him after she graduated and he was two years behind, that's all I'm going to say on this for now, but that's all in the game apart from the father being a faceless nobody part. I just answered the guys question about if we would see him and you won't, he has nothing to add to the story the way I envision it.
I had this theory that MC knocked up her and she found out this when she was about to get graduated and that is why she decided to get sober and leave MC since she didn't want any bad influence of MC on her kids.

So the way i see it, she decided to get sober and broke up with MC after graduation. She found a man and got in a casual relationship, got pregnant and didn't get to keep the kids because she was still taking things.

If bard have more than one kid it's pretty clear couple were trying to have kids so it doesn't look like a meaningless relationship to me as you stated before.

Also i think that her getting pregnant will bring a significant change to the story because this is not something you bring up out of nowhere and leave it as nothing.
 
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The story is important for Zoey and so every word is
This is the point I always harp on.

My favorite games are the ones where the developers have a clear vision of what they want to say and how they want to say it. My least favorite games are those where I disagree with their visions and just don't play them.

My point being that developers should stick to their guns and change things only when it makes sense to them, and the success or failure of any particular game should be that it appeals or does not appeal to a sufficient audience.

There are also games whose developers have no plan, have great ideas for the beginning and no clue as to where the game will end up. We all know developers like that. Their games start and draw players, but are soon abandoned. Only to have the developer start up another one, which follows the same path. Those developers soon gain a reputation that attaches forever.

And there are developers who just listen to their audience to tell them what to do next. I try to avoid those games.

I like to compare a VN to making a movie. No director in his right mind starts to make a movie with only a basic premise and just wings it. No, they storyboard before they even start.

Which brings me back to this game. It is refreshing to find another game where the developer has a story to tell and has thoroughly mapped it out.

As to whether there is too much or too little text in this game, if the text is interesting, which to me it is, the length is of little consideration. [I have read an unabridged version of War and Peace, just because I wanted to. Don't recommend it though, because I don't agree with Tolstoy's view of history, which he throws so heavily into the narrative.] Is this game perfect? Not to me. I think Zoey (like Tolstoy perhaps) preaches to me too much. However, this is his game and his story, and I am never going to ask him to tone anything down. The good outweighs the bad so heavily that I will continue to place this game at the top of my list of games to play.
 
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I know thats illegal, what im asking is what she DID to earn that amount they owed for jose in A HIGHWAY.
She stood on the off-ramp and did something illegal (that's nonetheless done everyday in any major city) with a sign asking for money. This is further explained in the scene in Mary's bedroom after, were she and MC go into detail about what "flying a sign" is when Mary asks them. Hope that helps. Also, she only states she showed some leg, so it's implied she never got naked. In fact the MC states "You can moon them for all I care". To which Lydia replies "Unfortunately you're the only one who gets to see my naked ass." So if wearing what she had on and standing there looking sexy is exposing your body then yes, but she did not flash tits or anything of the like.
 
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She stood on the off-ramp and did something illegal (that's nonetheless done everyday in any major city) with a sign asking for money. This is further explained in the scene in Mary's bedroom after, were she and MC go into detail about what "flying a sign" is when Mary asks them. Hope that helps. Also, she only states she showed some leg, so it's implied she never got naked. In fact the MC states "You can moon them for all I care". To which Lydia replies "Unfortunately you're the only one who gets to see my naked ass." So if wearing what she had on and standing there looking sexy is exposing your body then yes, but she did not flash tits or anything of the like.
Thank you zoey, I was wondering how a person can get money off in a highway. I was genuinely curious, and not too worried what she did for it, doesnt bother me if she showed more skin than just legs tbh. When I was at that part of the scene, i just had to ask the thread before I forget lol. Very unique game btw, its refreshing compared to the sea of copy paste stories in this site.
 
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Just got to say thank you to my overly my protective religious mom who made me scared shitless of even taking a smoke growing up. I did have a few druggie friends here and there but have always being fundamentally a loner who has never felt compelled to fit in as I have always preferred my own thoughts and fantasies. So this really helped me to understand drug culture which is pretty fucking alien to me. Scary stuff, can't really imagine not being 100% in control of my actions and interactions with others. I am a pretty cold, calculating person irl and that requires a lot of control over your emotions. I also have never thought you could get and education reading porn, which I did, learnt a lot in this VN.
The sex in this feels very secondary and is the weakest part of this story and not very well done. Even if the ladies are very enticing and interesting (hope the dev revamps the sex scenes, its crippling an otherwise stellar VN). I basically only read through this for the plot and its a hell of a story. Waiting in anticipation for more.
 
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In all fairness I'm ok with that, although I always look to improve, sex is not the main focus of the game. It's much more about what you mentioned the interactions of the characters and their relationships. However, like I said I look to improve that part of the game in upcoming releases, I've only learned Daz 4 months ago, and I can't really explain to you how difficult animations are until you've tried to do it.
 

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In all fairness I'm ok with that, although I always look to improve, sex is not the main focus of the game. It's much more about what you mentioned the interactions of the characters and their relationships. However, like I said I look to improve that part of the game in upcoming releases, I've only learned Daz 4 months ago, and I can't really explain to you how difficult animations are until you've tried to do it.
"sex is not the main focus of the game"
Usually that would piss me off as this is supposed to be a sexual aid in all honesty but yes the interactions and relationships make this worth the time. Love to see how you improve on your animations as you mature as a developer. You might also want to work on that dialogue during sex as it feels really wooden and basic and can cheaply add a ton of spice and weight of emotion if done right.
 
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There are actually plenty of devs out there that do great sex scenes using only stills rather than animation - like Good Girl Gone Bad. IIRC there are at least some animations in Our Red String (the 2nd by same dev - Eva Kiss - one of the legends.) Until recently most I saw were stills.
 

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"sex is not the main focus of the game"
Usually that would piss me off as this is supposed to be a sexual aid in all honesty but yes the interactions and relationships make this worth the time. Love to see how you improve on your animations as you mature as a developer. You might also want to work on that dialogue during sex as it feels really wooden and basic and can cheaply add a ton of spice and weight of emotion if done right.
Yea, I've been told that by a fellow dev, I'm going to add more foreplay and deeper dialogue to the sex scenes. It's just when I get there animating is dreaded and maybe that rubs off on the dialogue. I did like the one I did with Lydia and the test stuff in Chapter 2 though. I need to do more stuff like that.
 

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"sex is not the main focus of the game"
Usually that would piss me off as this is supposed to be a sexual aid in all honesty but yes the interactions and relationships make this worth the time. Love to see how you improve on your animations as you mature as a developer. You might also want to work on that dialogue during sex as it feels really wooden and basic and can cheaply add a ton of spice and weight of emotion if done right.
Well, I agree with you, but there are games on here that have no sex at all or minimal sex, and while maybe mine aren't the best out there I've given plenty of that content to this point. At least three in each update and some more.
 

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There are actually plenty of devs out there that do great sex scenes using only stills rather than animation - like Good Girl Gone Bad. IIRC there are at least some animations in Our Red String (the 2nd by same dev - Eva Kiss - one of the legends.) Until recently most I saw were stills.
Was thinking that, stills would give the the MC more time to expand on his inner emotions for the ladies and the ladies feelings for him. Good girl does that pretty well, but there are a few other great ones that only use stills to evoke deeper emotion on this site.
 

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Well, I agree with you, but there are games on here that have no sex at all or minimal sex, and while maybe mine aren't the best out there I've given plenty of that content to this point. At least three in each update and some more.
Don't get me wrong I love this VN, just trying to point some things out that might get you a few more patrons. There's a lot of strong competition out there right now.
 

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I actually googled what "fly a sign" meant and found it on Urban Dictionary. It's just like the "Need money for food" or such you see (apparently mentioning food tends to be more successful as does having an attractive woman do it.)
 
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