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I like the game, but do agree with some comments that it should steer back on more of a cheaty vibe since rn it's seeming much more swingery than cheating or NTR.
Idk, I feel like having her actively cheat on you, especially this early on just kind of ruins her as a character. In my eyes, I've always seen her as loyal wife who's unwilling to fuck other dudes but only does so for the hubby, but somewhere along the line, she gets REALLY hooked after all the "experiences"
Either with a POV switch when needed or simply wouldn't. I feel you get the appeal of the latter, at least partially, as some of the scenes in the game now (office scenes with Chou, Tyrone's clothed sex and blowjob) don't actually show it happening, but tease the act through dialogue and positioning. After all, it is one of the most popular tropes in NTR:
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I can see the appeal of not fully showing the sex. I find that hot too, but the other dude's original point was to have the playable character himself be oblivious to the whole thing. I cannot for the life of me think of a way to make that believable. Saying this though, I am open to suggestions. There are only so many situations a single perverted mind like mine can come up with
 

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I played v0.4.1 and the previous version v0.3.2, and below are my initial feedbacks and reviews:

General Review:
Pretty decent Honey select 2 visuals, animations are good too. Jody and Bella are hot ( only 2 female characters in the game and only 1 has lewd scenes so far :HideThePain: ).
No musics or sound effects.
The sandbox element is quite tedious, nonetheless implemented well and no game breaking bug ( more on this, below ).
The story is not the best, it is a 'porny' game if anything. Players' actions and decisions matter, and will determine the flow of story/game. The main theme of this game is wife 'sharing' or netorase ( more on these, below ).
Overall, the game is very playable albeit a tad bit tedious.
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All that being said, thank you for the share. All the best, WarmBeerProduction. Cheers.
Finally, someone who appreciates my coding :cry: I do plan to add a phone HUD... at some point... in the future... soon... hopefully :KEK:
Now that I'm reading this, I realized that there are still a few bugs in the game that completely missed me, like Timmy's event being tied to the landlord (not intended), and Chou's email showing up early is obviously another bug. Thanks for reporting!

It's still crazy to me how this game started gaining a following. This was originally, no joke, a concept game I made in my spare time to learn RenPy. I had no intention to release it since I had 0 coding experience. I was just messing around with stuff seeing what I could do, which is why it suddenly jumps from a "computer simulator" kinda game to an "open world" kinda game, because I literally was just like "let's see if I can simulate a computer" to "let's see if I can make a day to night system" and so on. Hence why I've talked about reworking the whole intro section and updating all the art because the original art was quite literally a placeholder :LUL:
 
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i really enjoyed the game and can and prov will be greatly improved because the dev knows how to do the NTR stuff in a good way. I dont get the coment about "swinging", when this game lean towards sharing imo atm. I hope the game has multiple endings inside the NTR flavor. Good work dev :)
 
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I can see the appeal of not fully showing the sex. I find that hot too, but the other dude's original point was to have the playable character himself be oblivious to the whole thing. I cannot for the life of me think of a way to make that believable. Saying this though, I am open to suggestions. There are only so many situations a single perverted mind like mine can come up with
Making it believable in the traditional sense of the word might be a bit of a challenge, but that's not really a good goal imo. The same way all of us players suspend some of our disbelief to enjoy Tyrone's route, with one of the weakest blackmail hooks in all of history, I'm sure we'd all do it as well to accept that the MC is unaware of Jody clearly having sex behind a door or sitting right next to him or something similar.

Might be too late to adapt all scenes in the game to accommodate a path where the MC is unaware of what's going on, but the way the game is made, with all paths being optional and separated, might be the way out for that: you could have one character with scenes focused on the MC being unaware and continue working on the rest as they are (though the unavoidable sex scene on the intro should probably go).

As to how you'd get the scenes if they happen hidden away, I can think of a couple of ways. Let's say this stealthy character is an immigrant refugee living in the MC's house. You'd have the option to invite him to watch the TV, the same way you can with the other characters; he'd join the couple when he feels like it as well, like Tyrone; maybe on some weekend mornings, you could watch the character helping Jody with yoga or something; the "buy food" interaction could be extended to have him on the table in a short scene. Endless options.

The scenes themselves would probably go like the Tyrone event where Jody grinds on his lap. The involved characters talk about what's going on, not caring about describing what is happening, but reacting accordingly. The main difference would be that they're trying to disguise their actions and what is going on behind the disguise, so instead of saying "Oh my God! You slipped in! Take it out!" Jody would probably just moan and say "AH! Hmmmm... d-don't move... my husband is gonna notice... W-what? Don't worry ~mn~ about it, babe, I just ~ahn~ bit my tongue! K-keep watching the race!"
Show Jody looking at the POV while covering her lap, maybe her reflection on the TV showing to the player more than the MC is capable of noticing
or a cleverly placed mirror that is in his sights but completely out of mind. Another scene where he's focused on something on his hand and oblivious to an out-of-focus Jody leaning under the table over the stealthy character's lap.

Is any one of those believable? Yes, but they need a scene that makes it so.
 

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I don't really like when the mc doesn't know when wifey is banging other dudes it would just make it
Feel like any other ntr game and they are all the same boring stuff
Thats just my opinion of course

I just hope the netorase path doesn't devolve into hardcore netorare
I have seen it happen with so many games.
After all it's so hard to find good games with a netorase path
And as we all know this game is bloody awesome
Wifey is so hot and the writing is really good
 

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Making it believable in the traditional sense of the word might be a bit of a challenge, but that's not really a good goal imo. The same way all of us players suspend some of our disbelief to enjoy Tyrone's route, with one of the weakest blackmail hooks in all of history, I'm sure we'd all do it as well to accept that the MC is unaware of Jody clearly having sex behind a door or sitting right next to him or something similar.

Might be too late to adapt all scenes in the game to accommodate a path where the MC is unaware of what's going on, but the way the game is made, with all paths being optional and separated, might be the way out for that: you could have one character with scenes focused on the MC being unaware and continue working on the rest as they are (though the unavoidable sex scene on the intro should probably go).

As to how you'd get the scenes if they happen hidden away, I can think of a couple of ways. Let's say this stealthy character is an immigrant refugee living in the MC's house. You'd have the option to invite him to watch the TV, the same way you can with the other characters; he'd join the couple when he feels like it as well, like Tyrone; maybe on some weekend mornings, you could watch the character helping Jody with yoga or something; the "buy food" interaction could be extended to have him on the table in a short scene. Endless options.

The scenes themselves would probably go like the Tyrone event where Jody grinds on his lap. The involved characters talk about what's going on, not caring about describing what is happening, but reacting accordingly. The main difference would be that they're trying to disguise their actions and what is going on behind the disguise, so instead of saying "Oh my God! You slipped in! Take it out!" Jody would probably just moan and say "AH! Hmmmm... d-don't move... my husband is gonna notice... W-what? Don't worry ~mn~ about it, babe, I just ~ahn~ bit my tongue! K-keep watching the race!"
Show Jody looking at the POV while covering her lap, maybe her reflection on the TV showing to the player more than the MC is capable of noticing or a cleverly placed mirror that is in his sights but completely out of mind. Another scene where he's focused on something on his hand and oblivious to an out-of-focus Jody leaning under the table over the stealthy character's lap.

Is any one of those believable? Yes, but they need a scene that makes it so.
But none of that makes any sense from the context of Jody being in love with her husband yet slowly being drawn to the illicit pleasures elsewhere; it's just a contrived plotline to make the mc look like the most oblvious tool and the wife look like a slut.

Cheating is hot where there's something left to lose, a proverbial dance between faithfulness and straying. What you're describing doesn't sound like a dance at all, it's just an all-to-common caricature of the cheating wife, particularly found in anime.

I'm not saying that outcome shouldn't be possible, but it should take place down the line, after they've had a relationship for sometime.

NTRS that leads to NTR is hot and believable. NTR that leads to NTRS is stupid, because it's not really sharing at all, it's just an oblivious husband as a contrived plot device to further the ntr story.

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Idk, I feel like having her actively cheat on you, especially this early on just kind of ruins her as a character. In my eyes, I've always seen her as loyal wife who's unwilling to fuck other dudes but only does so for the hubby, but somewhere along the line, she gets REALLY hooked after all the "experiences"
is spot on; this is a much more erotic setup than just "wife liberally whores around and husband is unaware kek". Again, cheating means nothing if the wife doesn't give a shit about the husband to begin with- thankfully Jody is written with more agency than your general ntr game female.
 

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But none of that makes any sense from the context of Jody being in love with her husband yet slowly being drawn to the illicit pleasures elsewhere; it's just a contrived plotline to make the mc look like the most oblvious tool and the wife look like a slut.

Cheating is hot where there's something left to lose, a proverbial dance between faithfulness and straying. What you're describing doesn't sound like a dance at all, it's just an all-to-common caricature of the cheating wife, particularly found in anime.

I'm not saying that outcome shouldn't be possible, but it should take place down the line, after they've had a relationship for sometime.
this is a much more erotic setup than just "wife liberally whores around and husband is unaware kek". Again, cheating means nothing if the wife doesn't give a shit about the husband to begin with- thankfully Jody is written with more agency than your general ntr game female.
You're acting as if there's some sort of deep and elaborate emotional build-up for the events already in the game but that's far from the truth. Tyrone's questline relies on a kiss-on-the-cheek photo that leads to one of the most unsustained blackmail plots on this site, Chou's questline is straight-up work blackmail that turns into love-for-cock after two pictures and a handjob. If you think that actually fits the scene you're painting I won't bother trying anymore, but I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be a buildup or a slow corruption of the wife, I think that's essential! It's just pointless to have this whole thing about her cheating and he knows but it's alright and it doesn't matter. At least do something more fun like hiding the cheating a little, even if it's something as silly as "oblivious husband can't see something obvious".
NTRS that leads to NTR is hot and believable. NTR that leads to NTRS is stupid, because it's not really sharing at all, it's just an oblivious husband as a contrived plot device to further the ntr story.
No one said anything about the NTR leading to NTRS though. If it did, it wouldn't be NTR, it would be delayed NTRS at best.

I don't really like when the mc doesn't know when wifey is banging other dudes it would just make it
Feel like any other ntr game and they are all the same boring stuff
Please do tell me what games you're playing because that's extremely rare. I think I've found 2 on this site, all the others lead to the partner finding out and being into it. Most just have the MC actively sharing with someone else though, usually on groups.
After all it's so hard to find good games with a netorase path
It's not a coincidence, and it's because of what the other person said:
Cheating is hot where there's something left to lose
If the husband is into cheating, cheating is not a breach of trust or an act of disrespect or whatever else it is supposed to be, it's just a fetish. And if they've talked about that it's not even cheating anymore. Netorase games are bad because the writers want to rely on a feeling that simply isn't there as there's no cheating.
 

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You're acting as if there's some sort of deep and elaborate emotional build-up for the events already in the game but that's far from the truth. Tyrone's questline relies on a kiss-on-the-cheek photo that leads to one of the most unsustained blackmail plots on this site, Chou's questline is straight-up work blackmail that turns into love-for-cock after two pictures and a handjob. If you think that actually fits the scene you're painting I won't bother trying anymore, but I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be a buildup or a slow corruption of the wife, I think that's essential! It's just pointless to have this whole thing about her cheating and he knows but it's alright and it doesn't matter. At least do something more fun like hiding the cheating a little, even if it's something as silly as "oblivious husband can't see something obvious".
Admittedly I'm biased because I mainly focused on the Rick line which is pure sharing and unlike the boss, landlord, or Tyrone stuff, so I won't defend those for being simplistic blackmail lines. I think that line is done in a fantastic way for what I want, it's organic, he's not a despicable character, and it eases in. So no, I don't think the other lines are great, I just don't really care about them- other than I thought the initial intro with cho was a decent lead-in/segue to their forgiveness talk and sharing talk.
 

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You're acting as if there's some sort of deep and elaborate emotional build-up for the events already in the game but that's far from the truth. Tyrone's questline relies on a kiss-on-the-cheek photo that leads to one of the most unsustained blackmail plots on this site, Chou's questline is straight-up work blackmail that turns into love-for-cock after two pictures and a handjob. If you think that actually fits the scene you're painting I won't bother trying anymore, but I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be a buildup or a slow corruption of the wife, I think that's essential! It's just pointless to have this whole thing about her cheating and he knows but it's alright and it doesn't matter. At least do something more fun like hiding the cheating a little, even if it's something as silly as "oblivious husband can't see something obvious".

No one said anything about the NTR leading to NTRS though. If it did, it wouldn't be NTR, it would be delayed NTRS at best.


Please do tell me what games you're playing because that's extremely rare. I think I've found 2 on this site, all the others lead to the partner finding out and being into it. Most just have the MC actively sharing with someone else though, usually on groups.

It's not a coincidence, and it's because of what the other person said:

If the husband is into cheating, cheating is not a breach of trust or an act of disrespect or whatever else it is supposed to be, it's just a fetish. And if they've talked about that it's not even cheating anymore. Netorase games are bad because the writers want to rely on a feeling that simply isn't there as there's no cheating.
Pretty much any japansse rpgm netorare game on here the guy never finds out
If you don't think most netorare games on here the dude doesn't find out except for maybe near the end
Than you and i must be playing different games

Also this game is primarily netorase not netorare i think

A life worth living - the wife sleeps with some dude while the mc is on a business trip without telling him
That is not netorase thats netorare

Culture shock - the mc can tell Emma he wants to see her sleep with other guys but she does it without telling him

There is an ataliere sakura game where near the end of the game the wife cheats on hubby even though it was marketed as a netorase game

Edit - And also netorase games do not suck
Netorase is about seeing your woman experiencing pleasure.
I don't think you understand netorase
 
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Idk, I feel like having her actively cheat on you, especially this early on just kind of ruins her as a character. In my eyes, I've always seen her as loyal wife who's unwilling to fuck other dudes but only does so for the hubby, but somewhere along the line, she gets REALLY hooked after all the "experiences"

I can see the appeal of not fully showing the sex. I find that hot too, but the other dude's original point was to have the playable character himself be oblivious to the whole thing. I cannot for the life of me think of a way to make that believable. Saying this though, I am open to suggestions. There are only so many situations a single perverted mind like mine can come up with
Interesting reply given earlier versions had more "cheaty" vibes. Although I suppose that's why you've readjusted the direction of the story, I definetely did notice the change in dialogues since first time I played in comparison to recent update (the one previous to this), you want a more slow grind feel into Waifu's corruption (does she have an official name? I always just call her waifu/wifey lol).
Although personally I'd say that the line between faithful and cheating is very thin (literally half of the world has cheated going by modern polls lol, n don't think all of them are cus they're bad people or inherently non-loyal) so depending how it's developed one could still go down that road without contradicting her core character. Maybe a character whos scenes happen till after she "broadens her horizons" from her previous experiences could be used as a more "pure cheating" route.

Of course, this just my 2 cents trying to fit what several people have voiced into the stories narrative. Ultimately I believe authors vision is most important on their work and us audience are just constructive criticism (and the ones who are just criticism without no constructive-ness to them should be payed little to no mind).
 
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Ultimately I believe authors vision is most important on their work
Now this is something I can get behind!

(ofc thats because I happen to agree with the current tack but isnt that how this statement usually works anyway? ehehehe)

On that note - I'll repeat my dev praise in that the style and tone in this game while similar to others, the specific path is unique from every other game; the personality of the wife being loving and never cruel departs it from titles like free pass, but at the same time it's not afraid to tiptoe into the realm of light humiliation and hot sex scenes.

It's so so hard to find things that strike both those pillars in these types of games, almost everything else goes too far in one direction; either the wife is a turbo-slut and the relationship story is so secondary you dont really care, or games will be overly vanilla scared of offending precious sensibilities; and the wife will reassure mc to a fault; while the script will make it very clear mc is the top dog.

does she have an official name?
Jody, lol@ "while you're out working hard, Jody's having sex back at your house, with genders flipped..
 

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I have a question for mrwarmbeer
If we are on the netorase path wil she stay loyal or will she eventually cheat no matter what we do?
 
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im not the dev obviously, but I'm pretty sure as long as you dont skip work then she always stays loyal.
Yeah although I just remembered she has sex with Chou at the office and doesn't tell the mc if I remember correctly

But I just had a thought are the paths character specific?

for example

Chou path - Netorare

Tyrone path - Netorase

Or is it all dependent on the options you choose at the start of the game?
 
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Yeah although I just remembered she has sex with Chou at the office and doesn't tell the mc if I remember correctly

But I just had a thought are the paths character specific?

for example

Chou path - Netorare

Tyrone path - Netorase

Or is it all dependent on the options you choose at the start of the game?
She only has sex with Chou more than the start if you skip work (ofc im referring to the sharing path where you're honest and open with her at start - It could be different if you lie to her at beginning I havent played that through.
 

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Now this is something I can get behind!

(ofc thats because I happen to agree with the current tack but isnt that how this statement usually works anyway? ehehehe)

On that note - I'll repeat my dev praise in that the style and tone in this game while similar to others, the specific path is unique from every other game; the personality of the wife being loving and never cruel departs it from titles like free pass, but at the same time it's not afraid to tiptoe into the realm of light humiliation and hot sex scenes.

It's so so hard to find things that strike both those pillars in these types of games, almost everything else goes too far in one direction; either the wife is a turbo-slut and the relationship story is so secondary you dont really care, or games will be overly vanilla scared of offending precious sensibilities; and the wife will reassure mc to a fault; while the script will make it very clear mc is the top dog.

Jody, lol@ "while you're out working hard, Jody's having sex back at your house, with genders flipped..
I used to be the type that could remember every Pokémon or a huge cast from a Korean series by memory but my memory with names has been shit these recent years :poop:
 
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Making it believable in the traditional sense of the word might be a bit of a challenge, but that's not really a good goal imo. The same way all of us players suspend some of our disbelief to enjoy Tyrone's route, with one of the weakest blackmail hooks in all of history, I'm sure we'd all do it as well to accept that the MC is unaware of Jody clearly having sex behind a door or sitting right next to him or something similar.

Might be too late to adapt all scenes in the game to accommodate a path where the MC is unaware of what's going on, but the way the game is made, with all paths being optional and separated, might be the way out for that: you could have one character with scenes focused on the MC being unaware and continue working on the rest as they are (though the unavoidable sex scene on the intro should probably go).

As to how you'd get the scenes if they happen hidden away, I can think of a couple of ways. Let's say this stealthy character is an immigrant refugee living in the MC's house. You'd have the option to invite him to watch the TV, the same way you can with the other characters; he'd join the couple when he feels like it as well, like Tyrone; maybe on some weekend mornings, you could watch the character helping Jody with yoga or something; the "buy food" interaction could be extended to have him on the table in a short scene. Endless options.

The scenes themselves would probably go like the Tyrone event where Jody grinds on his lap. The involved characters talk about what's going on, not caring about describing what is happening, but reacting accordingly. The main difference would be that they're trying to disguise their actions and what is going on behind the disguise, so instead of saying "Oh my God! You slipped in! Take it out!" Jody would probably just moan and say "AH! Hmmmm... d-don't move... my husband is gonna notice... W-what? Don't worry ~mn~ about it, babe, I just ~ahn~ bit my tongue! K-keep watching the race!"
Show Jody looking at the POV while covering her lap, maybe her reflection on the TV showing to the player more than the MC is capable of noticing
or a cleverly placed mirror that is in his sights but completely out of mind. Another scene where he's focused on something on his hand and oblivious to an out-of-focus Jody leaning under the table over the stealthy character's lap.

Is any one of those believable? Yes, but they need a scene that makes it so.
I feel like it's quite a stretch to compare something like being blackmailed in Tyrone's route to having your loyal devoted wife cheat on you, right in front of you and you being unaware of it. There are just too many hoops to jump through that it's not even suspending disbelief, it's downright not believing the story at all :KEK:
Also, I personally don't think Tyrone's blackmail is all that unbelievable. I mean, I've gotten in trouble myself for just hugging a girl in a club, and then my gf at the time finding it out through a picture my friend took. I think the aspect of not telling her yourself is what feels like betrayal, which hits girls a lot harder than guys. "If it was just a friendly hug, then why didn't you tell me anything" kinda vibe
You're acting as if there's some sort of deep and elaborate emotional build-up for the events already in the game but that's far from the truth. Tyrone's questline relies on a kiss-on-the-cheek photo that leads to one of the most unsustained blackmail plots on this site, Chou's questline is straight-up work blackmail that turns into love-for-cock after two pictures and a handjob. If you think that actually fits the scene you're painting I won't bother trying anymore, but I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be a buildup or a slow corruption of the wife, I think that's essential! It's just pointless to have this whole thing about her cheating and he knows but it's alright and it doesn't matter. At least do something more fun like hiding the cheating a little, even if it's something as silly as "oblivious husband can't see something obvious".

If the husband is into cheating, cheating is not a breach of trust or an act of disrespect or whatever else it is supposed to be, it's just a fetish. And if they've talked about that it's not even cheating anymore. Netorase games are bad because the writers want to rely on a feeling that simply isn't there as there's no cheating.
At this point you're just using your own preferences to change the game to what you, an individual wants. It's clearly the case because anything else that doesn't perfectly fit the mold of what you find hot, you shit talk it, to the point of clear misinformation. Chou's route is clearly written as the wife not liking it, but somehow you twisted it to "turns into love-for-cock after two pictures and a handjob" Where? I made a conscious effort not to write the wife to be a cock whore, so I don't know what you're talking about here.
Also, cheating is in the eye of the beholder. Some people consider cheating to be a hug, a kiss, sex, emotional connections, etc... For you to so confidently say what is IS and ISN'T is just wack
 
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Pretty much any japansse rpgm netorare game on here the guy never finds out
If you don't think most netorare games on here the dude doesn't find out except for maybe near the end
Than you and i must be playing different games

Also this game is primarily netorase not netorare i think

A life worth living - the wife sleeps with some dude while the mc is on a business trip without telling him
That is not netorase thats netorare

Culture shock - the mc can tell Emma he wants to see her sleep with other guys but she does it without telling him

There is an ataliere sakura game where near the end of the game the wife cheats on hubby even though it was marketed as a netorase game

Edit - And also netorase games do not suck
Netorase is about seeing your woman experiencing pleasure.
I don't think you understand netorase
What Atelier Sakura game are you talking about?
 

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Pretty much any japansse rpgm netorare game on here the guy never finds out
If you don't think most netorare games on here the dude doesn't find out except for maybe near the end
Than you and i must be playing different games

Also this game is primarily netorase not netorare i think

A life worth living - the wife sleeps with some dude while the mc is on a business trip without telling him
That is not netorase thats netorare

Culture shock - the mc can tell Emma he wants to see her sleep with other guys but she does it without telling him

There is an ataliere sakura game where near the end of the game the wife cheats on hubby even though it was marketed as a netorase game

Edit - And also netorase games do not suck
Netorase is about seeing your woman experiencing pleasure.
I don't think you understand netorase
also joshy while I agree with you this is the majority of games around here - I never found ALWL to be like that which is why it's one of my favs; depending on the route you play, the wife never does anything sleazy and everything is by your side (the only exception being the beach portapotty, but I already mentioned that to dev)
 
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