Brannon

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Now in regards to MC, thus far the cure mechanics of the powers he's gained are the same as the original. The powers he's gained from Moonsong, Emerald, and Kat thus far appear the same, though his control and current power with each is more limited (likely because he's had them for less than a week). Until evidence suggests otherwise, it's reasonable to believe other powers MC gains will function similarly.
The player has no idea if the power MC gained from Moonsong, Emerald and Kat are the same those girls are using.
At a glance yes. MC has a wolf, can make his hands glow green and spawn a copy of himself. But neither of those effects are all the girl is capable of.
With Evelyns power it is the same.
MC can live the dream of his target and at first glance it appears to work the same way Evelyn has described. Obviously he never has seen this in action as Evelyn is unable to show it.
It could be that Evelyn sees the dream in psychedelic colors for all we know. Just because she allegedly has not mentioned it before (MC has horrible memory problems at times) does not mean it is not that way.


It is not sure these are the very same and your evidence points at this irrefutable fact.
You merely SPECULATE that MC has the exact same power at the exact same power level.


Whether YOUR speculation is correct or MY speculation is correct remains to be seen.

Speaking of speculations, maybe it's a little bit of both. I think the "imprint" idea doesn't necessarily have to break any rules with how her power works (or anyone's for that matter).

It's a virus after all, so it's possible that metagen is transferred every time any two people touch (sort of like how we deposit germs or skin cells on other people we touch in the real world), but it's completely independent of any one power. It wouldn't matter if the person has manifested or not, they're still depositing and transferring metagen on everything and everyone, but that metagen interacts differently depending on specific arbitrary rules of an individual's manifested power. So you can think of it not as a single person imprinting metagen on another person, but as the metagen itself imprinting on many persons.

This could perhaps explain why MC wound up scrying into Marina after he acquired Evelyn's power. The metagen was deposited earlier on but the conditions for them to activate were simply met later when he fell asleep without properly selecting a host as per the rules of his newly acquired power.
So basically the metagen does absolutely everything and the super(hero or villain) is "only" the receiver?
Interesting idea.
One that is not really plausible without further explanation, but interesting.
 

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The player has no idea if the power MC gained from Moonsong, Emerald and Kat are the same those girls are using.
At a glance yes. MC has a wolf, can make his hands glow green and spawn a copy of himself. But neither of those effects are all the girl is capable of.
With Evelyns power it is the same.
MC can live the dream of his target and at first glance it appears to work the same way Evelyn has described. Obviously he never has seen this in action as Evelyn is unable to show it.
It could be that Evelyn sees the dream in psychedelic colors for all we know. Just because she allegedly has not mentioned it before (MC has horrible memory problems at times) does not mean it is not that way.


It is not sure these are the very same and your evidence points at this irrefutable fact.
You merely SPECULATE that MC has the exact same power at the exact same power level.


Whether YOUR speculation is correct or MY speculation is correct remains to be seen.



So basically the metagen does absolutely everything and the super(hero or villain) is "only" the receiver?
Interesting idea.
One that is not really plausible without further explanation, but interesting.
At present, there is not any significant evidence that the powers MC gains work fundamentally different that cannot just as likely be explained by other hypotheses. Therefore, stating that MC's powers work different is speculation. It sounds like we're in agreement on this.

Comparatively, while limited, there is some significant evidence that the powers seem the same. Saying that MC has "no idea" if the powers he gained are the same is not accurate. He knows he can summon a wolf, he knows he can create green energy, he knows he can create clones, and now he knows that he can see visions of someone he's touched that day during his sleep. His ability to communicate with his wolf and direct it appears to be consistent with Moonsong's expectations, and the power allows him to communicate with hers too. The clones he creates appears to allow him to perceive and feel what the clone does (remember that the real Kat appears to feel what her clone does, and obviously would need to see through her clone's eyes to interact with MC in the stall). These are all functions that match rather than differ from the capabilities of the people they originated from, and none of the people whose power he's gained has been surprised by anything he's done with their power if they've observed him using it. Admittedly, he has some pretty small samples with several of these powers, but that's still way more than "no idea" and way more than could support the hypothesis that the core function of powers is different for MC.

So while he doesn't yet know if the full functionality and/or power limit is the same because he hasn't spent time learning and testing his limits, he can likely conclude that significant aspects of them are the same. After all, he didn't gain the ability to summon, say, a mountain lion or to create clones of other people rather than himself. Saying definitively that they are the exact same would be a stretch, but saying "the core function thus far appears the same" is a reasonable conclusion based on the observable evidence. For now, it's the most plausible working theory until we learn more and it's much less speculative than the hypothesis that the core function differs.

My comment that MC's control being limited is probably due to his inexperience is indeed speculation, though several other people in-game have mentioned that it's not unexpected. After all, everyone else has taken years to learn to use their power. But that's a separate statement when compared to the "core function" of how the power works. As an analogy, the fundamental mechanics behind a punch can be the same for two people, even if the power behind it is different due differences in muscles or training.

In either case, the key point I was originally trying to make is that MC viewing Marina does not conflict with any of the information we've so far been presented regarding how Evelyn's power functions and is in fact consistent with what we know. In fact, it can be interpreted as further evidence that the power likely works the same, since it's consistent with the "rules" Evelyn has shared with us. Therefore, the fact MC views Marina cannot reasonably be considered evidence to support the hypothesis that his power works differently, at least unless we get additional information from Evelyn that contradicts this.
Speaking of speculations, maybe it's a little bit of both. I think the "imprint" idea doesn't necessarily have to break any rules with how her power works (or anyone's for that matter).

It's a virus after all, so it's possible that metagen is transferred every time any two people touch (sort of like how we deposit germs or skin cells on other people we touch in the real world), but it's completely independent of any one power. It wouldn't matter if the person has manifested or not, they're still depositing and transferring metagen on everything and everyone, but that metagen interacts differently depending on specific arbitrary rules of an individual's manifested power. So you can think of it not as a single person imprinting metagen on another person, but as the metagen itself imprinting on many persons.

This could perhaps explain why MC wound up scrying into Marina after he acquired Evelyn's power. The metagen was deposited earlier on but the conditions for them to activate were simply met later when he fell asleep without properly selecting a host as per the rules of his newly acquired power.
It could be as simple as the visions are chosen from DNA still present on the skin. If you touch somebody, you are likely to be carrying their skin cells around on you for several hours. Thus when he gets the power is irrelevant because Marina's skill cells are still present.
These ideas are pretty consistent with my own as to why MC was able to view Marina despite gaining Evelyn's power later in the day. I suspect either some "generic" mutagen/DNA was transferred from MC to Marina or MC "picked up" something from Marina during the day that later allowed him to view her. And the one-day limitation may be that this degrades over time to the point that it's too weak the next day. Definitely speculation, but either of these could work given what we know (which is definitely limited).
 
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Comparatively, while limited, there is some evidence that the powers seem the same at first glance as you said. Saying that MC has "no idea" if the powers he gained are the same is not accurate. He knows he can summon a wolf, he knows he can create green energy, he knows he can create clones, and now he knows that he can see visions of someone he's touched that day during his sleep. His ability to communicate with his wolf and direct it appears to be consistent with Moonsong's expectations, and the power allows him to communicate with hers too. The clones he creates appears to allow him to feel what the clone does (remember that the "real" Kat appears to feel what he clone does). These are all functions that match rather than differ from the capabilities of the people they originated from, and none of the people whose power he's gained has been surprised by anything he's done with their power if they've observed him using it. That's way more than "no idea".

same ≠ similar.

You ASSUME the powers are exactly the same based off of snippets of evidence.
For instance Moonsongs wolf is male and white furred while MC's wolf is black furred and female.
In other words OBVIOUSLY not the same, but similar.
What OTHER DIFFERENCES are there?
We know that he can make his hands glow green and shoot green energy. Whether or not it has the same possibly devastating effects as Emeralds power is completely unknown. He made her TV drop from the wall, but that's it.
The clone appears to be the same ones as Kat can summon. Thing is it is completely unknown whether or not it behaves the same as hers, simply because she did not disclose most information about it. For instance is the clone completely dependent on Kat and her brain or does the clone have some level of independence? Meaning can she TELL her clone where to go or can she only SUGGEST where the clone should go.

The fact that some things are the same does not mean that everything is the same.
 

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same ≠ similar.

You ASSUME the powers are exactly the same based off of snippets of evidence.
For instance Moonsongs wolf is male and white furred while MC's wolf is black furred and female.
In other words OBVIOUSLY not the same, but similar.
What OTHER DIFFERENCES are there?
We know that he can make his hands glow green and shoot green energy. Whether or not it has the same possibly devastating effects as Emeralds power is completely unknown. He made her TV drop from the wall, but that's it.
The clone appears to be the same ones as Kat can summon. Thing is it is completely unknown whether or not it behaves the same as hers, simply because she did not disclose most information about it. For instance is the clone completely dependent on Kat and her brain or does the clone have some level of independence? Meaning can she TELL her clone where to go or can she only SUGGEST where the clone should go.

The fact that some things are the same does not mean that everything is the same.
Not once have I said they're conclusively the exact same in all aspects. You're misrepresenting my statements.

And frankly, your own statements conflict. For something to be "completely unknown" it'd have to have absolutely no evidence to support it. But you included several pieces of evidence that the core function are at a minimum highly similar rather than wildly different in your response. Therefore, it's not completely unknown.

In either case, if we want to talk about speculation, there's far more evidence of core similarity than difference. Therefore the theory that the powers work fundamentally the same is much less speculative than that the powers work fundamentally different.

And again, none of this changes the fact that MC viewing Marina is not inconsistent with the evidence we've so far seen regarding how Evelyn's power work, which is what kicked off this whole discussion.

P.S. Regarding the wolves, from a different perspective they differ very little. Moonsong's wolf is the opposite sex of her. Therefore, the fact that MC's wolf is the opposite sex of him could be interpreted as similarity rather than difference.
 

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Not once have I said they're conclusively the exact same in all aspects. You're misrepresenting my statements.

And frankly, your own statements conflict. For something to be "completely unknown" it'd have to have absolutely no evidence to support it. But you included several pieces of evidence that the core function are at a minimum highly similar in your response. Therefore, it's not completely unknown.

In either case, if we want to talk about speculation, there's far more evidence of core similarity than difference. Therefore the theory that the powers work fundamentally the same is much less speculative than that the powers work fundamentally different.

And again, none of this changes the fact that MC viewing Marina is not inconsistent with the evidence we've so far seen regarding how Evelyn's power work.

P.S. Regarding the wolves, from a different perspective they differ very little. Moonsong's wolf is the opposite sex of her. Therefore, the fact that MC's wolf is the opposite sex of him could be interpreted as similarity rather than difference.
Okay, I'm giving up trying to make you think.

You apparently are unwilling and/or unable to engage your brain a little.
 
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can we all just agree that the word speculate is fun to say out loud. and also start an off topic discussion about all the best places to speculate, and even better the things you think about while you speculate. in fact im speculating right now
 

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can we all just agree that the word speculate is fun to say out loud. and also start an off topic discussion about all the best places to speculate, and even better the things you think about while you speculate. in fact im speculating right now
I need a new pair of spectacles - misplaced mine a year back during a tequila binge... :p
 

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I need a new pair of spectacles - misplaced mine a year back during a tequila binge... :p
Have you tried checking among the other shot glasses?

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On topic, any speculations about what progress Amber might make next chapter (since she's going to have significant story presence)? I suspect it's still too early for her to completely control her power, but that they might make some progress that gives her a bit of hope. Assuming of course that next chapter is when she visits Moonsong to test it.
 

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Have you tried checking among the other shot glasses?

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On topic, any speculations about what progress Amber might make next chapter (since she's going to have significant story presence)? I suspect it's still too early for her to completely control her power, but that they might make some progress that gives her a bit of hope. Assuming of course that next chapter is when she visits Moonsong to test it.
school week barely started, and we didn't have day skips so far, and I'd say an update covered what... one or max two days at most? So I don't think we'll see Amber with Moonsong just yet since they are meeting during the weekend. But we could also have a "couple days later" version, so who knows.
 
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school week barely started, and we didn't have day skips so far, and I'd say an update covered what... one or max two days at most? So I don't think we'll see Amber with Moonsong just yet since they are meeting during the weekend. But we could also have a "couple days later" version, so who knows.
Yeah, most updates so far have only been 1 day (I think there's only 1 exception at the moment where a chapter covered 2 days). I was thinking about that earlier and I believe we've just finished.. Tuesday? If things continue as 1 day per chapter, we'd definitely have a few to go. But it wouldn't surprise me if we skip a few schooldays in order to get closer to Lucia's party and vising Moonsong at the Sisterhood compound again (both of which are over the weekend). We'll have to wait and see I suppose.
 
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I have a question. When the MC is talking to Anna Abrahams they mention The Assistant as a "film" she is working ion, and I recognize that all these "films" are really other VNs. However, the only VN I could find entitled The Assistant has the MC in the title role, not some hot submissive female. So the question is, is there a VN that plays out like that or was it made up for Origin Story alone?
 

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I have a question. When the MC is talking to Anna Abrahams they mention The Assistant as a "film" she is working ion, and I recognize that all these "films" are really other VNs. However, the only VN I could find entitled The Assistant has the MC in the title role, not some hot submissive female. So the question is, is there a VN that plays out like that or was it made up for Origin Story alone?
Remember that all these "films" are based on dreams some guy has. Some details might be slightly different based on what he remembers or the studio changes.

Anna also probably isn't the title role of the MC, but the female assistant.
 
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I have a question. When the MC is talking to Anna Abrahams they mention The Assistant as a "film" she is working ion, and I recognize that all these "films" are really other VNs. However, the only VN I could find entitled The Assistant has the MC in the title role, not some hot submissive female. So the question is, is there a VN that plays out like that or was it made up for Origin Story alone?
Remember that all these "films" are based on dreams some guy has. Some details might be slightly different based on what he remembers or the studio changes.

Anna also probably isn't the title role of the MC, but the female assistant.
Also, the dreamer doesn't necessarily see the world through the eyes of the game's MC. Also-also, the studio could decide to gender-bend the story after the dreamer submits it. Lots of possibilities there.

(But Rehwyn is probably right about Anna's role)
 
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I have a question. When the MC is talking to Anna Abrahams they mention The Assistant as a "film" she is working ion, and I recognize that all these "films" are really other VNs. However, the only VN I could find entitled The Assistant has the MC in the title role, not some hot submissive female. So the question is, is there a VN that plays out like that or was it made up for Origin Story alone?
Remember that all these "films" are based on dreams some guy has. Some details might be slightly different based on what he remembers or the studio changes.

Anna also probably isn't the title role of the MC, but the female assistant.
Also, the dreamer doesn't necessarily see the world through the eyes of the game's MC. Also-also, the studio could decide to gender-bend the story after the dreamer submits it. Lots of possibilities there.

(But Rehwyn is probably right about Anna's role)
And usually dreams are #1 very hard to target and #2 have a time limit of roughly 2 or 3 hours a night in the deepest phase of sleep. And that is the combined time btw, the single sections range from "a few seconds" up to "roughly 10 minutes". In "normal" human brains that means a person does not dream once but dozens of times a night. We only remember one of the dreams.
Since before the "scandal" hit he was seen as a more or less normally working dude it is ... let's say unlikely that he could vanish for 2 or 3 days at a time to hop into a coma or something like that.

Meaning he saw some things, but was "forced" to invent details he did not see.
Like a submissive slut assistant ...
 
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