VN Ren'Py Origin Story [v0.8.2] [JDOR]

[Jaga Telesin]

I can't do the manipulation route after doing the love route (except to unlock scenes in the gallery). Once you know why she is the way she is, the manipulation path is cruel.

Meh, maybe and maybe not. If I remember correctly, she was an absolute bitch to everyone around her for years. That takes a certain kind of mentality to pull off, and she clearly enjoyed it and felt empowered by it.

My take on that corruption path was that she'd eventually turn into a Sub for the MC, and become familiar with being under control instead of having it. Not in a truly demeaning or punishing way, but just to open her up to the other side of things to show her how poorly she'd been behaving for such a long time.

I'll definitely replay to try out the Love route though.

 

[Jaga Telesin]

And if he can combine the power he took from Cat then he can appear and disappear in two places at once.

That's almost freaky - he'd give some people heart attacks doing that shit.

 

[blkcrow20]

I can't do the manipulation route after doing the love route (except to unlock scenes in the gallery). Once you know why she is the way she is, the manipulation path is cruel.

Disagree, she went overboard and is getting what she deserves. Plus she is enjoying it and really getting into it now.

 

[blkcrow20]

Meh, maybe and maybe not. If I remember correctly, she was an absolute bitch to everyone around her for years. That takes a certain kind of mentality to pull off, and she clearly enjoyed it and felt empowered by it.

My take on that corruption path was that she'd eventually turn into a Sub for the MC, and become familiar with being under control instead of having it. Not in a truly demeaning or punishing way, but just to open her up to the other side of things to show her how poorly she'd been behaving for such a long time.

I'll definitely replay to try out the Love route though.

 

[Dessolos]

Meh, maybe and maybe not. If I remember correctly, she was an absolute bitch to everyone around her for years. That takes a certain kind of mentality to pull off, and she clearly enjoyed it and felt empowered by it.

My take on that corruption path was that she'd eventually turn into a Sub for the MC, and become familiar with being under control instead of having it. Not in a truly demeaning or punishing way, but just to open her up to the other side of things to show her how poorly she'd been behaving for such a long time.

I'll definitely replay to try out the Love route though.

this is exactly why I prefer the love path. As you get her to change from being a bitch to not a bitch because she wants to change . While the other path I think she will always stay in bitch mode but just not a vile one because of the dom / sub stuff. That and you learn alot more about her and Ev which is some great character building and growth. Plus the fact they make up and might slowly become friends again which is something I loved , especially cause they used to be good friends until EV wronged her.

 

[pitao]

I do both paths and I enjoy both but now I enjoy more the normal path because now I know the backstory. That is why I agree with both points of view but I started doing only the manipulation path (checking the normal variant with the help of URM but until chapter 8 not doing both playthroughs) because with the knowledge I had, for me is what Lucia "deserved" hehe simple as that.

But sure now my main playthrough is the normal love and empathy path but will still play both routes.

 

[JJ1960]

What I meant by having the pill choice, is if MC's metagene is active until he has sex with the girl to take her power and doesn't actually register the power taking by pill and is still active after a power transfer by pill then the girl would get to keep the power passive by taking the pill (as long as they keep the MC close) but would have it become permanent again if they had sex with MC.

I don’t think so. The power transfer has a short and finite time window. Both people have to have their arousal/ecstasy levels high enough and his semen has to contact her body, but once that has happened there is no reason for his metagene to keep her passive disabled. Taking additional pills won’t trigger his ability since there is nothing to gain.

 

[anonnyscouse]

I don’t think so. The power transfer has a short and finite time window. Both people have to have their arousal/ecstasy levels high enough and his semen has to contact her body, but once that has happened there is no reason for his metagene to keep her passive disabled. Taking additional pills won’t trigger his ability since there is nothing to gain.

What I mean is if the female gives her power via pill rather than via sex then the metagene could still work to keep the female desirable for MC by making her power less of an issue if the metagene only deactivates after MC successfully has sex with her.

 

[JJ1960]

What I mean is if the female gives her power via pill rather than via sex then the metagene could still work to keep the female desirable for MC by making her power less of an issue if the metagene only deactivates after MC successfully has sex with her.

MC's power is absorption. It's passive, as are his other minor supporting powers (desirability field, super cum production, perhaps the enlargement of his dick, etc.). I suspect an additional passive which dampens powers which would interfere with MC acquiring something he doesn't already have. The innate method for absorption is sex with a girl who is also sufficiently aroused for the transfer to work. Georgia figured out an alternate method that also works, but regardless of the mechanism once MC has a power there isn't any reason for his ability to shut down the girl's passive which was blocking him. Just taking the pill for her isn't going to shut down an annoying passive, just like if she masturbated and drank a vial of his cum it wouldn't do anything either.

His metagene is not concerned with fixing some girl's problem with her power, just finding a way for MC to get it and adapt it for his betterment. Based on this theory I would suspect that MC could have had sex with Ruth and not get killed in the process (note that his injury came from playing around and being tickled too hard, not actually engaging in actual sexual activity) as he could have cancelled her super strength until after the deed was done. With Amber he was doing a lot of foreplay and more which did trigger the dampener making it possible for him to gain her ability though they did not go through with it to his completion. Note that Amber stayed visible until they went to sleep as they were both still pretty stimulated, but when they woke up the following morning Amber was invisible again after their excitement subsided.

 

[anonnyscouse]

MC's power is absorption. It's passive, as are his other minor supporting powers (desirability field, super cum production, perhaps the enlargement of his dick, etc.). I suspect an additional passive which dampens powers which would interfere with MC acquiring something he doesn't already have. The innate method for absorption is sex with a girl who is also sufficiently aroused for the transfer to work. Georgia figured out an alternate method that also works, but regardless of the mechanism once MC has a power there isn't any reason for his ability to shut down the girl's passive which was blocking him. Just taking the pill for her isn't going to shut down an annoying passive, just like if she masturbated and drank a vial of his cum it wouldn't do anything either.

His metagene is not concerned with fixing some girl's problem with her power, just finding a way for MC to get it and adapt it for his betterment. Based on this theory I would suspect that MC could have had sex with Ruth and not get killed in the process (note that his injury came from playing around and being tickled too hard, not actually engaging in actual sexual activity) as he could have cancelled her super strength until after the deed was done. With Amber he was doing a lot of foreplay and more which did trigger the dampener making it possible for him to gain her ability though they did not go through with it to his completion. Note that Amber stayed visible until they went to sleep as they were both still pretty stimulated, but when they woke up the following morning Amber was invisible again after their excitement subsided.

But is his metagene is concerned with getting her power by sex only, would it register that the power is no longer needed if the sex doesn't take place? My question is would his metagene stop doing whatever it's been doing to dampen the girl's powers if MC acquires the power without having sex with the girl. There's also the question as to whether MC consciously needs to desire the power or if his power makes the decision for him.

The Amber example is currently not the best to use, as we don't know whether it was MC's metagene making her visible, or if her orgasm and therefore loss of all conscious and subconscious control (the French call an orgasm a mini-death for a reason) was actually responsible for her power becoming passive, and she's subconsciously keeping herself invisible which Moonsong might be able to fix.

 

[Reniere]

If some powers are on and off switches and ambers being a on and off power but stuck on, on at all times wouldn't mc still get it but can still be a on and off one for him ? hers is glitched but it wouldnt be for mc right ?

Now this doesn't look like it would apply to the blue chick lmao

 

[Pgsurprise]

The Lucia love and corruption route is either great or poor story telling.

All you know when you chose is that she's a bully to everyone. So far if you choose to manipulate her you don't learn anything about her back story. So she's just a bitch that the MC puts in her place.

On the love route you learn her back story and as has been said, you can turn everyone's life better. It bugs me that this only comes up after you choose how to treat her. Like you've made the choice without all the information. (Typical avn complaint}

So, it either seems like a hole in the story. Or, it is brilliant because you just play the power fantasy and don't end up conflicted as to whether you should've been nicer.

Trouble is, accept or turn down moonbeam (I'm bad with names), eventually the Ev scenes become the same. it strikes me as odd since she seems pretty desperate that makes more sense if you don't turn down moon. Not a big deal, though.

But, in the Lucia routes, if they merge, it's going to disjointed. on the manipulation path you learn she doesn't give oral. And then you make her start. Then you have the whole scene with Emerald showing her how to be a good sub. A lot has already happened on one route and not much on the other. How are you going to merge them back together, or will dev have double work?

I think what's probably going to happen is that at some point the whole back story comes out and there will only be the love route.

 

[JJ1960]

But is his metagene is concerned with getting her power by sex only, would it register that the power is no longer needed if the sex doesn't take place? My question is would his metagene stop doing whatever it's been doing to dampen the girl's powers if MC acquires the power without having sex with the girl. There's also the question as to whether MC consciously needs to desire the power or if his power makes the decision for him.

The Amber example is currently not the best to use, as we don't know whether it was MC's metagene making her visible, or if her orgasm and therefore loss of all conscious and subconscious control (the French call an orgasm a mini-death for a reason) was actually responsible for her power becoming passive, and she's subconsciously keeping herself invisible which Moonsong might be able to fix.

My idea is that MC's metagene is mercenary. It has a prime directive: duplicate a power if the sex partner has one, and if anything about the power either inhibits the likelihood of getting more powers or can to be adapted to facilitate getting more powers then it alters it to fit MC. Meri's power has a lot of ramifications, the main fountain of youth aspect which (probably) doesn't need to be changed and the body adaptations to make orgasm of the partner more likely. If the fountain of youth only worked when swallowing semen then it would likely be changed since MC isn't likely to be sucking much dick but that is still undetermined if it got changed for women's sexual fluids; MC seems to think it did. MC isn't going to give tit jobs to a girl so the "make cleavage feel like a vagina" gets dropped and the vibrator tongue gets activated. I think his fingering got enhanced also based on Ruth's response when he was doing her. Ruth's strength gets switched to on-demand from always-on since it wouldn't do for MC to turn the insides of a girl he's fucking into a smoothie before she can cum. Whether the power comes from a pill or sex doesn't matter to the metagene.

Again, my theory is not that Amber suddenly can become visible when she's sexually stimulated (she became visible before she had any orgasms, once was just from kissing). She masturbates a lot by herself and even in the room with MC and Ev going at it and never showed, so that's not the likely trigger. She never lost consciousness until they went to sleep and she was still visible then for at least a little while. She doesn't become visible until MC engages in sexual activity with her and actually starts thinking about having sex; we had an earlier scene where he wasn't thinking that and she didn't show up. She also stays visible for awhile after they go to sleep, but in the morning she's invisible again. That points to whatever MC did to her to nullify her ability while he was considering having sex with her wore off after it got out of their systems.

 

[Jaga Telesin]

Just went to replay to see some optional paths, and I can't figure out how to screw Cat instead of getting a BJ in the bathroom stall. I made sure to take more money than I needed earlier in the game, but it's still blocking that option. Is that something that happens later in the story, or did I somehow mess up the choices to that point?

 

[TonyMurray]

Yes it is, although if you are a fan of Ev it might sour you on her a bit, although what happened was from before we met her.

It didn't sour me on her at all, I just saw it as depth of character. She did stuff in the past, but that's not who she is now, and you can see how remorseful she is when reminded of it.

I hated that path tbh it's only good if all you care about is porn. But when it comes to the character building it's terrible.

I liked the path at the time, but to be honest, only really for the content. Looking back at it now, although it hasn't reached any sort of conclusion, I don't really see what the end game of it is (or rather, I know what Ev had intended by suggesting it, but I couldn't visualise what would happen to achieve that, etc.). The path itself, as you say, didn't really do much for the characters, whereas the "normal" path definitely covers that. I suppose one element of liking it before might also have been the "payback" element for how much of a bitch Lucía was, and part of liking that path a lot less now is knowing the story behind that bitchiness, so I sort of feel sorry for treating her badly on the manipulation path (although I don't think there was anything too bad there yet).

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And since you all did it while I was sleeping:
Pre 0.8: Ev, Ruth, Sapphire, Anna/Meredith/Riley
Post 0.8: Ev, Lucía, Ruth, Sapphire

Ask me again tomorrow and it might change...

 

[Elduriel]

Just went to replay to see some optional paths, and I can't figure out how to screw Cat instead of getting a BJ in the bathroom stall. I made sure to take more money than I needed earlier in the game, but it's still blocking that option. Is that something that happens later in the story, or did I somehow mess up the choices to that point?

you have to take more money than you need, and not give any to the homeless girl after leaving the shop. That should be all the steps needed to get the full Cat scene.

 

[Jaga Telesin]

you have to take more money than you need, and not give any to the homeless girl after leaving the shop. That should be all the steps needed to get the full Cat scene.

Ahhhhhh. I had always thought the homeless person might have a hook later in the game, and the handout might open up some special path or power. It might still, but I can see how that would affect his funds. Thanks for the tip, gonna rollback and fast forward, cheers.

 

[Elduriel]

I had always thought the homeless person might have a hook later in the game

she very well might, we don't know yet. Up until now she didn't show up again.

 

[Adequately Caffeinated]

she very well might, we don't know yet. Up until now she didn't show up again.

The only variable tied to that scene is the "funds" variable which deducts money if you give her some. JDOR would have to go back and add a variable to it to call later. I don't know enough about renpy to know if that's an issue. The only other place it's used is when you first grab money and when you purchase Cat's 'services'. I am 99% sure that scene exists purely as a mechanism to get you to miss the full Cat scene later if you decide to be a nice guy.

 

[Elduriel]

The only variable tied to that scene is the "funds" variable which deducts money if you give her some. JDOR would have to go back and add a variable to it to call later. I don't know enough about renpy to know if that's an issue. The only other place it's used is when you first grab money and when you purchase Cat's 'services'. I am 99% sure that scene exists purely as a mechanism to get you to miss the full Cat scene later if you decide to be a nice guy.

never looked into that particular one as I managed to figure it out without help early on, but in that case you're probably right. Though some of the coding is weird in this game like the string values he uses for certain things.