Canto Forte

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That bartender cheat by numbers phenom is the mentor for Ian,
of course that kind a mindset of giving it to whomever whenever is gonna pour into him.
 

BloodyMares

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I think that's a very parochial viewpoint, from you and Eva Kiss. E-girls produce a wide range of content from cosplay, SFW erotica, and NSFW erotica. If you ever looked it to it on sites like OnlyFans more than half the content is Cosplay or SFW. As for quality, there are numerous independent model on Insta that produce content that is equal to anything produced by professional models and photographers. Many of those models earn their income through Patreon, OnlyFans, Gumroad, and dozens of other sites. They even have their own endorsement contracts.
You're not arguing with me dude. I said the same thing with my Filmmakers example. It doesn't matter where you choose to upload your content. What matters is whether you make it tasteful (whether it's SFW or NSFW is irrelevant), or you make it into soft-core or hardcore porn, where all pretence is dropped. Can you describe how the video of Ivy twerking with the close-up of her nude asshole and pussy can be found artistic? I personally can't. Because it's porn, and not of the artistic kind. But while Ivy has no morals stopping her from uploading such content, Lena does have those morals (initially), which can be softened and dropped with Ivy's influence on her, to the point where Lena can be okay filming masturbation of herself and selling it as a custom. In no way would Chapter 1 Lena be comfortable doing that. In fact, she wouldn't even be comfortable posing the way Seymour wants her to during his shoots (exposed, with the main focus on her private parts).
 

DavDR

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You're not arguing with me dude. I said the same thing with my Filmmakers example. It doesn't matter where you choose to upload your content. What matters is whether you make it tasteful (whether it's SFW or NSFW is irrelevant), or you make it into soft-core or hardcore porn, where all pretence is dropped. Can you describe how the video of Ivy twerking with the close-up of her nude asshole and pussy can be found artistic? I personally can't. Because it's porn, and not of the artistic kind. But while Ivy has no morals stopping her from uploading such content, Lena does have those morals (initially), which can be softened and dropped with Ivy's influence on her, to the point where Lena can be okay filming masturbation of herself and selling it as a custom. In no way would Chapter 1 Lena be comfortable doing that. In fact, she wouldn't even be comfortable posing the way Seymour wants her to during his shoots (exposed, with the main focus on her private parts).
That's the thing though. In both games the only road to financial success is by going hardcore. Lena has a different attitude to art, and could put her artistic sense into anything she creates, but the game won't let her. Also, I have a hard time looking down on Ivy's twerking, I look at stuff like that on PornHub, and I would bet that most of the posters on this forum do too.
 

XXXVAA

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Why wouldn't you like a Lena who liked sex? I'm sure that you enjoy having sex with women, why can't women enjoy having sex with other men?

The whole problem with 'corruption' in these games is that it assume's that Women are 'pure' to begin with. That's not the way that the world is made. Women enjoy sex too.
considering people like Ian and relate to him, i don't think most people would want a girl that fucked one of your best friends, her cheating ex, sold herself on the internet, had sex with her moron coworker, had an afair with a dude that has a girlfriend and got corrupted by a old rich dude. and before you say it, no in my main route o do not fuck anyone besides lena as Ian.
 

DavDR

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considering people like Ian and relate to him, i don't think most people would want a girl that fucked one of your best friends, her cheating ex, sold herself on the internet, had sex with her moron coworker, had an afair with a dude that has a girlfriend and got corrupted by a old rich dude. and before you say it, no in my main route o do not fuck anyone besides lena as Ian.
Yes but those same people will choose to make Ian sleep with his friends girlfriend, fuck his married boss, as well as fuck every other woman that crosses his path. There's a word for those people, I think it starts with an H
 

lipe2410

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In both games the only road to financial success is by going hardcore.
I think that in ORS the hardcore stuff can be just the shortcut for the financial success. But i'm confident that both Ian and Lena can have success in the end keeping their ideals of art. Seymour can block every job for Lena if she doesn'r accept be his sex toy, she can't make money like Ivy if she doesn't make the same content Ivy make in stalkfap and in the future with Billy, but she still have in the end of chapter 9 a new show with Emma and maybe, i hope, this next show can be the turning point for her music career.
 

XXXVAA

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I think that in ORS the hardcore stuff can be just the shortcut for the financial success. But i'm confident that both Ian and Lena can have success in the end keeping their ideals of art. Seymour can block every job for Lena if she doesn'r accept be his sex toy, she can't make money like Ivy if she doesn't make the same content Ivy make in stalkfap and in the future with Billy, but she still have in the end of chapter 9 a new show with Emma and maybe, i hope, this next show can be the turning point for her music career.
yes, i hope both Lena as Ian get routes where they don't need Seymour. maybe we with Ian if we choose to train jiu-jitsu he can win the tournament and with Lena as you said she can have a music career.
 

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I think that in ORS the hardcore stuff can be just the shortcut for the financial success. But i'm confident that both Ian and Lena can have success in the end keeping their ideals of art. Seymour can block every job for Lena if she doesn'r accept be his sex toy, she can't make money like Ivy if she doesn't make the same content Ivy make in stalkfap and in the future with Billy, but she still have in the end of chapter 9 a new show with Emma and maybe, i hope, this next show can be the turning point for her music career.
God I sure hope so. The reduction of Lena to a sex object being her only path to success would leave a sour taste in my mouth.

I think it'll turn around soon- Eva needed to make us feel the squeeze in this last chapter so the people who like corruption kink and fin-dom kink can get off on the arcs being "compelling."

The music arc and the political "stick it to the man" stuff with Emma is really in a primordial state here; hopefully it ends up being a robust arc with a bunch of more romance / friendship / artisic nudes non-corruption oriented kinks in it :love:

Sure women can find pornography or e-girl lifestyles empowering and some are very comfortable with the roles they've chosen for themselves and that is great for them - but for me its just generally feels bleak and dis-empowering.

I'm not going to judge others and their choices ect. But, I wouldn't have any respect for myself if I did that for a living; and since I self-insert when I play Lena; it'd be cool if I had more options that felt empowering.
 

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Yes but those same people will choose to make Ian sleep with his friends girlfriend, fuck his married boss, as well as fuck every other woman that crosses his path. There's a word for those people, I think it starts with an H
Not everyone does that, though. That's why we ask for more wholesome content, we try to do only Ian x Lena and have no content.
 

DavDR

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Not everyone does that, though. That's why we ask for more wholesome content, we try to do only Ian x Lena and have no content.
Yeah, more wholesome. Sorry Rev. Falwell I didn't recognize your avatar. But what are you doing here, in the discussion thread of a porn site?
 
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PervySageKem

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Yeah, more wholesome. Sorry Rev. Falwell I didn't recognize your avatar. But what are you doing here, in the discussion thread of a porn site?
Dude, I like playing these games to live out some romances. I do have the right to enjoy whatever legal porn I want, and I'm not forbidden from commenting in this thread what I'd like to watch.

Ian + Lena + Cindy is the one true throuple, don't @ me.
 
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Can you geniunely say a Lena that would fall in love with Ian could fuck Robert, Mike, or Louise? She would need to be a completely different person from one scene to another.
Robert is a complete idiot (I know the Robert fan boys are coming after me…) and Lena is completely out of his league, so can’t image why Lana should have sex with him, even if she would be horny af.
I’m not a fan of Robert, and I think he’s had too many scenes with Lena. But I don’t have any issues with the fact that she ends up sleeping with him — I find that quite believable.

It’s several months since things ended with Axel, and she’s not been with anyone since. Now she’s finally starting to move on, and as Ivy not so subtly points out to her, that often involves having sex again.

At the moment Robert tries his luck, it’s a decent option for her. Yes, she’s out of his league, and she could probably have rejected him and found someone better. But the logic of her choice seems obvious: She can skip the job of finding someone else — which can be awkward if you haven’t done it in ages — and it doesn’t feel like a big deal because she’s in no way romantically interested in him. It’s an unexpected, but easy opportunity to get back into it with minimal hazzle. Also he’s decent looking, so there’s no reason to think the sex would be particularly bad.

She can decide that the pluses outweighs the minuses, or the opposite. Both choices seem reasonable to me.

With Ian it’s different: They immediately hit it off because of their mutual interest in literature and music. Even if they don’t become romantically involved later, Lena finds him interesting in a way Robert isn’t. So it’s a bigger step for her to have sex with him. They play different roles in her life.
 

lipe2410

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maybe we with Ian if we choose to train jiu-jitsu
I'm looking for that writer friend of Holly who invited Ian to work with him in his own magazine. I'm pretty sure that my Ian not only will lose the job with Seymour because Lena reject him, but also will lose the book tournament because he reject Minerva and she will be one of the judges. So, i rely my hopes in Ian working with that writer. And, if my memorie is correct, in this magazine they will publish new books as novels, chapter by chapter. I'll love and think quite poetic and meta if Ian, in game, publish his book like a novel in chapters the same way Eva is releasing the game in chapters ;)
 
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I'm looking for that writer friend of Holly who invited Ian to work with him in his own magazine. I'm pretty sure that my Ian not only will lose the job with Seymour because Lena reject him, but also will lose the book tournament because he reject Minerva and she will be one of the judges. So, i rely my hopes in Ian working with that writer. And, if my memorie is correct, in this magazine they will publish new books as novels, chapter by chapter. I'll love and think quite poetic and meta if Ian, in game, publish his book like a novel in chapters the same way Eva is releasing the game in chapters ;)
It would be hilarious if Eva added some of the same issues she’s had herself in Ian’s story. Ian saying that he’ll "kick himself in the teeth" if he’s not finished with the next chapter for the upcoming issue, and then discovering a forum where people are furious with him because he didn’t make it and they claim it was a promise.
 

lipe2410

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It would be hilarious if Eva added some of the same issues she’s had herself in Ian’s story. Ian saying that he’ll "kick himself in the teeth" if he’s not finished with the next chapter for the upcoming issue, and then discovering a forum where people are furious with him because he didn’t make it and they claim it was a promise.
LOL man! This definitly will be awesome
 

JohnnySolo

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I’m not a fan of Robert, and I think he’s had too many scenes with Lena. But I don’t have any issues with the fact that she ends up sleeping with him — I find that quite believable.

It’s several months since things ended with Axel, and she’s not been with anyone since. Now she’s finally starting to move on, and as Ivy not so subtly points out to her, that often involves having sex again.
You have here a fair point and I can flow your argument. On the other side it always depends on how you see Lena and what you as player think she desires. I don’t think that Lena is really so in need for a sexual adventure, especially in this early stage. It’s Ivy which pushes Lena in this direction, and for me it’s not so obvious that Lena is really “looking” for some quick sex.

Also, she is very careful with her approached towards Ian. Clearly this are two different stories and she don’t know Ian and this approached make sense. But on the other side fucking with a working colleague is also something that could lead to problems, especially if you have already a lot of issues.
 

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From what I've seen, cheating impacted Ian and Lena differently. It seems like it hurt his self-esteem (problems to keep erection up during his first time), like he wasn't good enough or chad enough to keep Gillian because he doesn't go into rage thinking about her, he becomes melancholic, as if he wishes they were still together. That's why I believe it makes sense that Ian would fall for Cindy and seeing that Wade isn't the right boyfriend for her, he might take his chance (to both restore his masculinity and save Wade and Cindy from having a miserable life together). The actual cheating route where he goes behind Wade's back but doesn't tell Cindy to break up with him is out of character a bit, too.
I think it can be done believably in Ian's character. Despite popular belief, cheating is not the same. Women who are cheated on, have a whole support system, family and friends telling them "how much of a bastard the guy is", "how big of a price she is" etc. etc. Men on the other hand, are ridiculed and belittled, becoming the blunt of the joke among their friends, and if they get depressed are then told to man-up and all that. This is why crimes of passion are almost always perpetrated by men. Women who are cheated on are hurting the same way men are, but you won't look at a girl as a looser or less of a woman because she was cheated on. One is a victim the other is a laughing stock.

So... I could see Ian turn "cold" after the whole Gillian experience, which could psychologically lead him into becoming a "cheater" himself. We see and hear that men who has survived abuse are more likely to become abusers themselves, So I can see how Ian could go full circle, but instead of being the victim again, he becomes a womanizer to protect himself from being emotionally sacrred again. It might not be in line with his character at the start, but once those oppertunities becomes a reality he can easily be played that way.
 
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You have here a fair point and I can flow your argument. On the other side it always depends on how you see Lena and what you as player think she desires. I don’t think that Lena is really so in need for a sexual adventure, especially in this early stage. It’s Ivy which pushes Lena in this direction, and for me it’s not so obvious that Lena is really “looking” for some quick sex.

Also, she is very careful with her approached towards Ian. Clearly this are two different stories and she don’t know Ian and this approached make sense. But on the other side fucking with a working colleague is also something that could lead to problems, especially if you have already a lot of issues.
I agree, she’s not really looking for a quick hookup at that point, and she hasn’t decided yet if she agrees with Ivy that she needs it… But then a possibility suddenly emerges, and she’s got to make a quick decision: Reject him because she’s not ready for it yet, and/or because he’s a bit creepy — or just go with the flow and have a decent fuck and take another step in moving on from Axel. But it’s true that their working relationship complicates it — and as far as I can remember Lena isn’t really considering that part, which she definitely could have.
 
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