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iirc she have to be on drugs or lust high enough (7 or 8 I think, can't say surely as I didn't play this path) BUT you can check walkthrough conditions on Ivy's birthday there you have to involve with Mark on Ivy's birthday (iirc) if you want future scenes with Mark.
Yes, she pushes Holly to pursue him, then tells her not to at the club in chapter 10, blows him, then Holly goes on a date with him while pushed by Lena in chapter 11, then chapter 11 epilogue Lena can fuck him
But in my playthrough, if I pushes Holly to go for him, I can't stop them from leaving the club in Chapter 10. Is there a way around it?
Yeah it always kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Like, Holly asks Ian to go with her pretty much the day before, when he already potentially had plans with all his friends (not even just Cindy). And if he says no because of that, Holly assumes that means Ian is completely uninterested in her and never asks him again, and Ian acts like he was never interested in her either.
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Okay its my first time doing a Louise route
what the hell is that forehead
what the hell is that forehead
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LOL I was hoping Eva would fix it when she did the remaster but NOPE ! She must've forgotten about it.
mind got swoll from thinking about all the ways she can fuck up every possible relationship up she comes across.
It's also weird that if you choose to go to the book fair it seems to close Cindy path forever. It's not as weird for Cindy's personality as it's for Holly's but a "I can't go because of an unique work opportunity" should be perfectly acceptable for anyone including Cindy. I mean, Ian could always tell her that he'll take her to the damn place any other day. It would make more sense for Cindy to get angry if it were with Alison's holiday trip, "I can't go because I am going to spend the whole weekend fucking another girl" is a less valid excuse.
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It's in Cindy's personality to be spiteful if you give priority to any other girl over her and makes sense but Holly thing I completely agree is not handled well by EK. It's same with Alison if you don't go to her home for the supposed "talk about Gillian(Chameleon) to lessen your burden" you get massive hit on relationship points and That is Alison being a dumb bitch.
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It's Cindy we're talking about.... Cindy. The self-righteous and spoiled brat. The unreasonable bitch. The whore who bends over for dickwad Axel. Such behaviour is in character for her ilk.
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Not in all path/s BUT In some path/s:
If in all than sadly it's EK just being mean and using characters just for fetish purpose and not story purpose bcz a character should always behave differently in different paths according to story for/in major plots.
No, it's just bad writing because for whatever reason Eva wanted to force a split between Cindy and Holly paths. You can see this in Cindy's surprised reaction to you choosing to go to Wade's birthday instead of to the book fair when she learns of it:
Python:
i "I even rejected an invitation to go to a book fair to be here tonight..."
$ fcindy = "blush"
c "You did that...? Your writing career is what you're most passionate about."
i "It is... But that doesn't mean that's the only thing I'm passionate about."- Jun 2, 2022
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That it's handled poorly. Makes me wonder is EK moving story just on whim?
considering how ORS is moving with all- Stan's rework
- Robert ton of content
- Every character who appears in top in polls getting content (Latest Marcel example)
- Story going down the hill
- Character management
- Reskinning scenes A.K.A no Versatility hence, Laziness
- Bringing ton of characters from GGGB (IS this GGGB 2.0 or ORS)
- Cameo character's getting full fledged sex scenes plus reserved places in story when original story characters are sidelined
- Original story characters getting shit in terms of content
Things are all over the place!
#HopeCH12
I don't feel as negative as you do about the game. It's one thing plain bad writing when you make characters act OOC and even totally opposite to their reaction to the same thing like in Cindy's case because you want to force the story to go in a certain way. And it's another thing a dev making choices for the story or the development that you as a player disagree with or strongly dislike and I somewhat agree with some of your points:
That it's handled poorly. Makes me wonder is EK moving story just on whim?
And which direction the story is progressing? Heck the question should be WHAT IS THE STORY AT THIS POINT? SMH!
- Stan's rework
- Robert ton of content
- Every character who appears in top in polls getting content (Latest Marcel example)
- Story going down the hill
- Character management
- Reskinning scenes A.K.A no Versatility hence, Laziness
- Bringing ton of characters from GGGB (IS this GGGB 2.0 or ORS
- Cameo character's getting full fledged sex scenes plus reserved places in story when original story characters are sidelined
- Original story characters getting shit in terms of content
Things are all over the place!
#HopeCH12
- I didn't play the game before Stan's rework. It's difficult to imagine he was even worse, but plenty of people seem to enjoy the character now. But it really doesn't impact my enjoyment of the game.
- Your point 2 and 3 are kind of contradictory. You don't like popularity in polls to be a factor but you also don't like that an unpopular character like Robert gets plenty of content despite that. I think the issue is that we don't like Robert or Marcel but we wouldn't complain if Ivy or Cindy (two other popular characters) got more content. It seems more a matter of personal taste on our side.
- Story going down the hill feels too strong to me. I think that the last couple of chapters are certainly not the best ones but I also think that it's maybe too soon to tell yet, let's wait to see how things go in the next two chapters.
- Character management has room to improve, but IMO is still better that what most games in this site manage to do.
- I don't like using the word "lazyness" when talking about other dev's work. Increasement on scene recycling is a fact, but I simply don't know enough to call Eva lazy.
- Point 7 and 8, again, a matter of personal taste. I agree with you, but it's called fanservice for a reason, plenty of the fanbase love those characters coming back.
- I disagree with that.
It's not really a matter of what's acceptable, though. Ian/Cindy catalyst is the perfect storm of Cindy's world falling apart when her attempt to bring some spark in her relationship with Wade and something she's been looking forward to goes completely sideways, and Ian --who's potentially been her support for a good while now-- actually being there for her, unlike literally everyone else, her boyfriend included.
Ian attending the book fair isn't something Cindy would resent too much, but it'd simply mean this particular moment never happens, and without it Cindy would probably keep it together afterwards, when she's no longer so vulnerable.
I don't consider it bad writing, to take such factors into account.
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You make your point well, but I disagree. How does it make sense for her to keep it together after a totally dissapointing birthday party?. I would argue that her not even being able to make it happen at all is worse that happening and going badly for her relationship with Wade. I still think that it would have been perfectly in character if Ian asked her after coming back from the fair how things went and offered to go just the two of them (or with others like Jeremy or Emma) whenever. You can not write the same Cindy (because it's not a case of Lena on being a different character on different paths according to your choices) reacting to you going to the book fair very negatively and also reacting quite surprised if you refused such an important opportunity for you to go to a birthday party. It's game logic not "real" character logic.
I still think that if Eva wanted to force a split between two paths it would have made much more sense to use Alison's trip. Less unreasonable for Cindy to get so angry and more useful to limit branching when you split two LI's paths of the same group of friends. Alternatively, if you want to make Cindy the unreasonable, entitled bitch that some people think she is, you can make her take for granted that of course you'd go to her party instead of the book fair, instead of acting (reasonably) surprised.
And it's not only Cindy or Holly the problem with how Eva implemented that. Somehow Ian also seems to forget completely about his attraction to them, ian_go_holly and ian_go_cindy are not used ever again (so far). And neither Ian/Cindy or Ian/Holly are sudden things that happen out of nowhere because of a special moment as catalyst. Their mutual attraction is slowly built (with good writing in both cases IMO) to just suddenly completely dissapear for the author's convenience. It's bad writing.
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Well, obviously. That's why i said Cindy wouldn't resent it too much as opposed to not resenting it at all.
The same way it makes sense for Cindy to regret what she's done and attempt to pretend things never happened, if Cindy and Ian fuck on that day. People can act very differently when their emotions run high, and when they've had some time to cool down.
At the height of emotions Cindy is much more prone to give in to a wish to be close with someone she feels strong connection with, even if she knows this is morally wrong, than when she's got relatively cool head. Also, in the scenario where Ian isn't there when she's most vulnerable, then this extra bond between them doesn't get to form. He remains a good friend she may have some crush on, but he's (now) also someone who, like everyone else, wasn't there for her when she needed someone. It'd make it quite easier for Cindy to get over this crush, or at least not to act upon it in the future.
Some chances are literally once in a lifetime, and if you blow them, then that's it.