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If I ever do a non-Lena/Holly playthrough I now know I have to be meaner to Stan....
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No, I could make excuses for almost every characters bad action in the game, or if I can't a lot of times I can point out to them being a better person on another route.Well that is "professional" point is lost because he we've know he uses pictures of Lena for masturbation which is even more fucked up considering she pays rent to him and can still try to "help him out" (only for him to immediately reduce her to a fap session). Maintaining your composure and fucking raping your ROOMMATE are hugely different things. You could have said "he kept his control and didn't start to touch his dick in front of her". Maybe porn protagonists couldn't help themselves but men in general? Maybe ones who can pay off the police but not "most men would rape her". (Concerned why you think "most men" would rape her)
You care more about defending Stan than every character in the game put together and that's a fact
Seymour is just a bad guy. It's hard to "Defend Him". He is greedy, and horny, and manipulative. He has to get his way. He is financially generous I suppose if I try to defend him.
Minerva who I trashed for potentially cheating Holly out of winning the contest if she is riding Ian's dick:
Minerva will also give up her favorite dick if Holly is starts to date Ian.
Jeremy who supposedly back stabs Ian also says No to Lena, and tries to stop her when it is the foursome with Ivy and Louise. He will make some effort to not fuck his friend's girl.
Axel does seem to show genuine remorse for cheating on Lena. His stalking is in part because he just didn't have any closure, and still loved her. He wanted to try to make amends and he felt bad about it. Sadly, we live in a disposable society where people are easy to just abandon. Although he has gotten violent with other men, he is never shown to get violent with Lena. Some of his "Abusive tendencies" could be misinterpreted because he was Lena's Master in a BDSM style relationship, and that is just their relationship dynamic.
Cindy was very much neglected by a boyfriend too busy with his video games to pay her any attention before she started cheating. He also was never supportive of her modeling. So... Although she is a cheater Wade just isn't putting the effort in to make her feel loved or listened to.
Louise is a bit of a drama queen, and is hard to defend. Honestly, she probably just needs therapy or perhaps some sort of medication. She may be suffering from some sort of mental illness that causes her to act the way she does.
Perry, although he is a mooch off his dad, will eventually find work at the coffee shop. Probably just going through some hard times trying to live up to his parents high expectations.
Lena's parents sending money to Spike. Well, he is their son too. He may have really needed it for his rent, or food or something. They don't' want their son to be homeless. The mom trying to patch up Axel and Lena, could be becuase she has met Axel many times, and he has always been respectful around her. Maybe she doesn't have Lena's full side of the story becuase Lena hardly ever talks to her parents, and open enough with them.
Robert getting in all of these fights. He gets in 3 fights. That doesn't mean he is prone to violence. He never gets violent with Lena or other women. He was actually defending Lena the first time. His first fight with Perry, he had just gotten beaten up by Axel not long ago, and here comes perry drunk and spilling beer on him acting a fool. He was having a bad day. The 2nd fight with Ian... Well, they are both banging the same woman, and have fought before. Plus he will get some "Good Guy Points" because he was working as a fireman before.
Mike is hard to defend. Pretty much just a horny DJ. He is always thinking with his dick. Never met his girlfriend the one he is cheating on so it is difficult to get that full picture.
I didn't say most men would try to rape Lena in that scenario. I said most men would try to push for more. Perhaps with a line like: "How about just the tip?" If a woman is masturbating in front of you while you take pictures of her... That's kinda a hint.
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more precisely, the 4 options on that photoshoot are non-sexless Ian having sex with Lana, sexless Ian asking for sex and being denied, Mike having sex with Lana or Stan being teased by Lana - and of the 4, only Stan has to be explicitly asked to jerk off while doing the photoshoot
This is the last time I will interact with you. When in the hell was it revealed that Lena and Axel were in a FORCED BDSM focused relationship and that Lena is so detached from reality that she could confuse a "BDSM relationship" (which she had to enter at some point?) With abusive tendencies (which are likely more emotional than physical) No wonder you can defend Stan so hard your playing your own personalized story to the point where one of the protagonists just got out of a damn MASTER SLAVE relationship?
Did you actually play ORS?
I never claimed Lena & Axel were in a "Forced BDSM" relationship. They weren't. However, if you actually read the lines of dialogue and look at the pictures in the game you would realize that BDSM is a part of their shared past where Axel was the Dominant, and Lena was his submissive / slave / pet (It's unclear what level of submission they were at, and the exact dynamics). Their dynamic very well could have been Master / slave as it is heavily implied that it was.
After Axel's apology it is mentioned when Lena is looking at the photographs. She is wearing his collar.
When Lena goes to buy a leash to use on Loise as her Domme it is mentioned that she was the one wearing the collar in the past to serve Axel.
When Ivy seduces Lena after the birthday party it's obvious her best friend Ivy is aware of her submissive nature, and knows just how to push those buttons.
The game even has a BDSM tag.
Often times BDSM style relationships can be mistaken for abuse to vanilla people at them from outside of the relationship.
Here comes a problem though because of that relationship dynamic:
Patching things up with a submissive girlfriend can be more complicated than with a vanilla girlfriend due to the additional layer of power dynamics and emotional intricacies involved in a BDSM relationship.
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Is actually insane how much EK hates this character
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Not an expert on these things, but I always imagined BDSM to be just a sex thing, not a whole relationship dynamic. Enjoying being choked or spanked in the bed doesn't mean you also want to be emotionally/physically abused outside of it. And it's a shitty excuse for Axel's behavior.
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I've told people this long ago but Stan is not meant to be the playable character you can self insert as that grows as a person and becomes a chad. He is there to fill a very specific role in the story/game and that is of your average weeb stalker. His name is Stan, for Christ's sake!Is actually insane how much EK hates this character
He is there to be one facet of Ian and it is the facet that gets cucked. Axel is the Chad, Jeremy is the friend that his girlfriend cheats on, and etc.
BDSM typically begins and ends at sexy times, that is true; but it will largely depend on the willingness of the dominant and the submissive what is considered sexy times. The vibe I get from Lena / Axel is that it very well might have started as a typical BDSM relationship and eventually (de)evolved into a relationship closer to Slave and Master. I'm not well versed in S&M, but I've never come across a "healthy" relationship like that, it's always been borderline, if not outright, abusive.
I do miss old Stan, the one that was more representative of Ian's social awkwardness around women after Gillian cheated on him. Newer incel cuck Stan is a darker more spiteful (even if perhaps more accurate) representation of getting cheated on; and I'm a sucker for realistic positivivety, so not really a fan of Stan "New Coke" Korzybski.
Edit for clarity: In this case realistic positivitey means not necessarily trusting emotions / mental state enough to enter into a new relationship, but still being emotionally mature enough to know that not all women are "whores" or whatever words incels use to describe women that don't abide by their fantasy rules.
I may be entirely wrong but I believe what Lena seems to have is a domination fetish. Now, BDSM encompasses things like bondage, discipline, dominance, submission and sadism etc. So It's not really clear the complete dynamics of what Axel and Lena's relationship was aside from the Dom and Sub dynamic between them. But from what I know, people in these kind of relationship have a great deal of trust in each other. Which is why a sub has no problem giving up control to their partner and trusts that said partner won't abuse their power. And the dom does everything in their power to make sure their partner is safe and are comfortable. Cause when all it's said and done, It is just a sex thing and the sub still wants to be treated like a person even if elements of said dynamic could bleed into everyday life. Which is why when Axel abused his position and betrayed Lena's trust, the relationship fell apart. But from what I've seen, I'm unsure if their relationship resembled a typical BDSM one. I think the one that closely resembles a typical BDSM relationship is the one between Lena and Louise.
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No better...but whatever. D/s has actually very little to do with sex, 90+% pyschological. A bit of kinky sex does not a dom or sub make.
If you removed that entire sentence, it would honestly be a great post, but it's obviously written by someone with no real experience of the subject matter. And before anyone gives me crap, I'm making this point as there is way too much missunderstanding around this.
You're right. I don't really have a full understanding on the topic. I was just sharing what I know.
On a different note. I know Lena's Dad in the game is not her biological father. Is it ever mentioned who her real father is? If not, who do you think it might be?
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Some random who will never appear in the game
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I am quite sure that the BDSM tag refers to the Lena-Seymour-Dubai arc. Seymour will extend his handling and exhibiting of Lena, bringing in Agnes who will intensify the controlling, inviting guests to watch as Lena gives performances of ever increasing depravity....Eventually (for those who chose Dubai as the destination) she is brought to the UAE, becoming a sex doll for the eventual enjoyment of the emirs. (If Ian is in a relationship with Lena and is dependent on Seymour's patronage as well, he will be used as a puppet as well....instructed to perform acts with and to Lena that a loving bf would never think of doing.) I imagine, even from the
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I'm pretty sure Axel has zero actual remorse about his actions. His true intentions show when he uses the pretext of "just wanting to meet to return Lena her things" to "accidently" slip her their polaroid pictures.
He doesn't want closure. He wants Lena back under his thumb and uses multiple ways to manipulate her to this effect.
You seem to have great expectations for this arc. I hope it does not disappoint you.