VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[varpep]

Holy shit! His name is literally Stan...I'm just realizing this after almost 6 months of playing this game...bruh

I just hope he won't inflict violence on my Lena after she rejected him or worse...start consuming red pill loser content

 

[varpep]

can you do an asshole chad run were male mc cucks his loser friend with the phat ass girl, cucks is sad sack friend with the blonde one and still bang the readhead with the breeding kink? if yes, how?

Bro wtf are those string of words and sentences lmao . To answer half your question, yes it is possible to get with all those women.

 

[seaoflove]

If you really look carefully at the writing; this game has a lot of balance. When something is put on one side of the scale something of similar mass is often placed on opposite side of the scale. I'm talking in terms of the characters.

Ian is a perfect counter balance for Lena. (Flexible Protagonist to be molded any way you want.)
Axel is a perfect counter balance for Cindy. (Attractive Blonde Model that is unfaithful)
Mike is a perfect counter balance for Emma. (Hot & Horny Hispanic)
Jeremy is a perfect balance for Ivy. (The somewhat sketchy friend, that is a bad influence, but tries to get you laid.)
Jeremy is somewhat a balance for Cherry. (Token black friend)
Seymour is a perfect balance for Minerva. (A lecherous elder that can help or harm with career goals.)
Jessica Good & Jessica Bad (She exists in 2 forms, a good girl or a bad girl.)

Then there is the one that pains people to compair... You know exactly which one I'm talking about!

Stan is a perfect balance to Holly.

I can hear the players shouting "Nooooooooooo!" now from the mountain tops, but it's true if you really think about it.

Remove the visuals. Remove the genders. We will dig down to the core of the individuals. We are now left with a blank character template for either Holly or Stan.

We will add shyness, and awkwardness and nerdiness. We will make them intelligent, and lonely. We will make it so they wish they had more friends, but they dont' have many. We will make them sexually inexperienced relative to the other characters. We will give them social anxiety. We will make them good at what they do work wise. We will add a little bit of artistic creativity to them (be it taking photos or writing stories). We will make it so they have been hurt in the past.

Did I just describe Holly?
Did I just describe Stan?

It's both of them...

 

[Gicoo]

Easy fix for Stan is just make him a dorky nerd:



Not a slob with zero positive traits. Heck, he isn't even ugly in a Arthur way where fucking a gross dude is the point.

Holly is too good looking for an allegedly wallflower, but its less of an issue in a porn game, in which everyone is sexed up anyway.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

If you really look carefully at the writing; this game has a lot of balance. When something is put on one side of the scale something of similar mass is often placed on opposite side of the scale. I'm talking in terms of the characters.

Ian is a perfect counter balance for Lena. (Flexible Protagonist to be molded any way you want.)
Axel is a perfect counter balance for Cindy. (Attractive Blonde Model that is unfaithful)
Mike is a perfect counter balance for Emma. (Hot & Horny Hispanic)
Jeremy is a perfect balance for Ivy. (The somewhat sketchy friend, that is a bad influence, but tries to get you laid.)
Jeremy is somewhat a balance for Cherry. (Token black friend)
Seymour is a perfect balance for Minerva. (A lecherous elder that can help or harm with career goals.)
Jessica Good & Jessica Bad (She exists in 2 forms, a good girl or a bad girl.)

Then there is the one that pains people to compair... You know exactly which one I'm talking about!

Stan is a perfect balance to Holly.

I can hear the players shouting "Nooooooooooo!" now from the mountain tops, but it's true if you really think about it.

Remove the visuals. Remove the genders. We will dig down to the core of the individuals. We are now left with a blank character template for either Holly or Stan.

We will add shyness, and awkwardness and nerdiness. We will make them intelligent, and lonely. We will make it so they wish they had more friends, but they dont' have many. We will make them sexually inexperienced relative to the other characters. We will give them social anxiety. We will make them good at what they do work wise. We will add a little bit of artistic creativity to them (be it taking photos or writing stories). We will make it so they have been hurt in the past.

Did I just describe Holly?
Did I just describe Stan?

It's both of them...

This is where I have to disagree about Holly and Stan. Holly develops as a character and can step out of her comfort zone in many ways:
-Through Ivy's corruption
-Becoming more comfortable with Ian's influence.
-The same thing, only on the route with the “good” Lena.

Stan, meanwhile, remained as disgusting as he was.

 

[seaoflove]

Easy fix for Stan is just make him a dorky nerd:

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Not a slob with zero positive traits. Heck, he isn't even ugly in a Arthur way where fucking a gross dude is the point.

Holly is too good looking for an allegedly wallflower, but its less of an issue in a porn game, in which everyone is sexed up anyway.

All Stan needs to do is:

1) Hit the gym
2) Get a new haircut
3) Grow a little facial hair, and keep it neatly trimmed.
4) Get a better wardrobe

The guy has really bad depression though. You gotta remember, he lives with Louise who is horrible to him, and destroys his spirit.

Then you gotta factor in Lena, a source of constant blue balls for him. Stan walks past her door, and peeks in to see her getting railed by some dude.

Stan wasn't meant to be an Arthur template. That is Seymour. Rich perverted older dude.

Stan is a Bernard template, but instead of being Ashley's dad he is a room mate of Lena.



The scene where Bernard spies on Ashley masturbating feels very similar to the one where Stan is watching Lena get anal fucked.

 

[Gicoo]

I get deconstructing the characters and identifyng when and how they are foils to compliment each other, but Holly is a intregal semi main character connecting Ian and Lena further, she is interwoven on both of their career and artist paths. Stan is a Lena exclusive side character who plot relevance is abysmal and mostly optional: Lena can ignore him and he removes himself from the story mostly.

 

[ffive]

Incidentally, all this recent talk about how Wade maybe will be getting a better girl for him after Cindy...



And you were all wondering why this lady got suddenly wheeled out

 

[Simpgor]

i missed the part where holly masturbated to her roommates on multiple occasions and then bothered those same roommates for their photography connections

Stan is only in the story because even with a money cheat Lena cant get a new place

 

[Leongen43]

Incidentally, all this recent talk about how Wade maybe will be getting a better girl for him after Cindy...

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And you were all wondering why this lady got suddenly wheeled out

It's an option especially after Lena puts makeup on his nose with her fist, I guess Wade won't have jealousy or erections anymore, right?

 

[Andrea9999]

Easy fix for Stan is just make him a dorky nerd:

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Not a slob with zero positive traits. Heck, he isn't even ugly in a Arthur way where fucking a gross dude is the point.

Holly is too good looking for an allegedly wallflower, but its less of an issue in a porn game, in which everyone is sexed up anyway.

you inadvertently came up with Nat's boyfriend.

 

[seaoflove]

This is where I have to disagree about Holly and Stan. Holly develops as a character and can step out of her comfort zone in many ways:
-Through Ivy's corruption
-Becoming more comfortable with Ian's influence.
-The same thing, only on the route with the “good” Lena.

Stan, meanwhile, remained as disgusting as he was.

This is not entirely accurate. If Lena is showing interest in Stan he will hit the gym, and try to get in better shape. So, he is making efforts for self improvement.

I wouldn't say that Stan is among the most disgusting characters in the game in terms of their behavior.

Most of the negatives we hear about Stan is coming from Louise.

Louse is paranoid, and judgmental, and batshit crazy, and a bit of a bully to Stan because he is an easy target.

When he gets coffee with Holly, it seems like he has been respectful towardes Holly.

Stuff he gets accused of, is often just a misunderstanding. For example the missing panties were actually the cat that took them.

If you have Stan be the photographer for the dildo scene, he shows a lot of self restraint in not just sticking his cock in Lena.

He does keep a bit of a sloppy room, and it is a bit of a mess granted. However, that is closely related to his depression. You gotta understand he is a very lonely, and sad individual. He doesn't have many friends. He mostly sits in his room and does computer stuff.

A lot of other characters do way more shady stuff.

Axel is a hot head beating up Robert, and basically stalking Lena.

Seymour uses blackmail against Lena, and pressures into doing lewd photographs.

Minerva is cheating on her husband and willing to throw Holly, a girl who trusts and looks at her like a 2nd mother under the bus for Ian is giving her the dick...

Jeremy will fuck Lena if he can no matter how much his best friend Ian tells him that he loves Lena. Then he is sharing Alice's nudes and probably Emma's too without permission. Jeremy is totally unfaithful to Louise as well.

Cindy is unfaithful, and will cheat on her man if someone else shows her some attention. She is a very jealous sort of person that can't be told otherwise. She is very rude / hostile towards Lena for appartly no reason? Maybe Axel has been poisoning her mind?

Mike is cheating on his girlfriend as well.

Ivy is pushing drugs on Lena, and probably Holly. Always trying to find some new dick to fuck Holly and Lena like Holly's pussy and Lena's pussies belong to her.

Ed is a bit of a creep. Old enough to be Lena's grandpa, and he is commenting lewd shit on her isntagram, and draing naked pictures of her, and walking in on her changing... The dude has been married forever too.

Lena's Parents... Using money Lena sent for their well being to give to Spike, Lena's estranged brother who probably got a drug habbit? Plus Lena's mom is trying to push her to get back with Axel when the guy is a stalker.

Robert is very prone to violence. He gets in a fight with Axel, and a couple of fights with Ian. He seems like a bully towards Perry any time those two interact.

Perry is a mooch, living off his dad the Mayor who pays all his bills.

Alison seems to have some strange habits it comes to her birth control. She don't mind getting creampied by Ian if she isn't dating him... If she is dating him, no. You gotta wear a rubber. It's just weird.

What makes Stan bad?

Well... He spends a lot of time in his room keeping to himself. He does work from there, and it can get a bit messy.

Hardly a monster.

 

[lucadiadis]

How large a chapter 'feels' depends on many things. I don't play multiple paths simultaneously, so most updates to me feel shorter than they are.

Reused content/scene variants are typical, especially in 2dcg titles. Illustrating the variant scenes in ORS isn't easy since it's not a simple swap. Although, it's easier making them than tracing and drawing shit from scratch again. As for the text/code, a quick comparison:

Chapter 1.rpy: length - 340,303; lines - 7498
Chapter 10.rpy: length - 1,830,998; lines - 35,720

Not revealing, as Chapter 10 was the very best one by far.

 

[Xupuzulla]

I was going to defend Stan but then i remembered hes a Holly simp so im not defending shit.
Fuck Stan and fuck Holly both nerds geeks can go fuck themselves with a big black rubber dick

 

[Simpgor]

When he gets coffee with Holly, it seems like he has been respectful towardes Holly.

If you have Stan be the photographer for the dildo scene, he shows a lot of self restraint in not just sticking his cock in Lena.
What makes Stan bad?
Hardly a monster.

I wonder why a someone who clearly wants to fuck (but cant) would be nice to a girl who is being nice to him.... due to all the social interaction he clearly has surely he knows that Holly is just being nice and isn't interested him in (ignore that he is more conscious of Lena saying it's a date)

And holy fuck he is a good dude because he could resist raping his roommate?
The fact that "he didn't rape his roommate" ia a valid "pro" on your chart shows he doesn't have any actual good qualities just "non criminal qualities"

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

This is not entirely accurate. If Lena is showing interest in Stan he will hit the gym, and try to get in better shape. So, he is making efforts for self improvement.

I wouldn't say that Stan is among the most disgusting characters in the game in terms of their behavior.

Most of the negatives we hear about Stan is coming from Louise.

Louse is paranoid, and judgmental, and batshit crazy, and a bit of a bully to Stan because he is an easy target.

When he gets coffee with Holly, it seems like he has been respectful towardes Holly.

Stuff he gets accused of, is often just a misunderstanding. For example the missing panties were actually the cat that took them.

If you have Stan be the photographer for the dildo scene, he shows a lot of self restraint in not just sticking his cock in Lena.

He does keep a bit of a sloppy room, and it is a bit of a mess granted. However, that is closely related to his depression. You gotta understand he is a very lonely, and sad individual. He doesn't have many friends. He mostly sits in his room and does computer stuff.

A lot of other characters do way more shady stuff.

Axel is a hot head beating up Robert, and basically stalking Lena.

Seymour uses blackmail against Lena, and pressures into doing lewd photographs.

Minerva is cheating on her husband and willing to throw Holly, a girl who trusts and looks at her like a 2nd mother under the bus for Ian is giving her the dick...

Jeremy will fuck Lena if he can no matter how much his best friend Ian tells him that he loves Lena. Then he is sharing Alice's nudes and probably Emma's too without permission. Jeremy is totally unfaithful to Louise as well.

Cindy is unfaithful, and will cheat on her man if someone else shows her some attention. She is a very jealous sort of person that can't be told otherwise. She is very rude / hostile towards Lena for appartly no reason? Maybe Axel has been poisoning her mind?

Mike is cheating on his girlfriend as well.

Ivy is pushing drugs on Lena, and probably Holly. Always trying to find some new dick to fuck Holly and Lena like Holly's pussy and Lena's pussies belong to her.

Ed is a bit of a creep. Old enough to be Lena's grandpa, and he is commenting lewd shit on her isntagram, and draing naked pictures of her, and walking in on her changing... The dude has been married forever too.

Lena's Parents... Using money Lena sent for their well being to give to Spike, Lena's estranged brother who probably got a drug habbit? Plus Lena's mom is trying to push her to get back with Axel when the guy is a stalker.

Robert is very prone to violence. He gets in a fight with Axel, and a couple of fights with Ian. He seems like a bully towards Perry any time those two interact.

Perry is a mooch, living off his dad the Mayor who pays all his bills.

Alison seems to have some strange habits it comes to her birth control. She don't mind getting creampied by Ian if she isn't dating him... If she is dating him, no. You gotta wear a rubber. It's just weird.

What makes Stan bad?

Well... He spends a lot of time in his room keeping to himself. He does work from there, and it can get a bit messy.

Hardly a monster.

You missed some important points about Stan's behavior:
1. He jerks off to photos of Lena, which he took as a “photographer.” This is unprofessional and disrespectful towards the models and is not very different from what Axel does to the models. It's just that Axel is not socially isolated like Stan, but the essence is the same.
2. He peeks at Lena unless Lena is rude about the previous incident.
3. And this scene in the prologue of Ep. 11, if you were on Stan's good side, if you rejected his advances, he turns into a typical aggressive incel from 4chan, "all of you women are the same" and at the same time trying to prove that he is better than Ian, if you on his route. And Lena tries to explain that “this is not how relationships work,” and that’s all.
Dude has serious, serious mental problems, he's not just socially awkward and shy. In general, you're right about the other characters - about half the characters in the game have serious red flags. Well, Perry can also be changed for the better and shipped him with Cherry.

I was going to defend Stan but then i remembered hes a Holly simp so im not defending shit.

No, I'm Lola simp. Lola is actually best lady in the game. Undemanding, no red flags and no tantrums. Just buy cat food, litter for the tray and pet her periodically.

Fuck Stan with a big black rubber dick

Fixed

 

[seaoflove]

I wonder why a someone who clearly wants to fuck (but cant) would be nice to a girl who is being nice to him.... due to all the social interaction he clearly has surely he knows that Holly is just being nice and isn't interested him in (ignore that he is more conscious of Lena saying it's a date)

And holy fuck he is a good dude because he could resist raping his roommate?
The fact that "he didn't rape his roommate" ia a valid "pro" on your chart shows he doesn't have any actual good qualities just "non criminal qualities"

I don't believe that is the case with all Holly Variants. Only the changed version of Holly that wants to be more like Lena / Ivy will think she is "too good for Stan". If Holly is actually being her TRUE SELF and not operating under the manipulation of Lena or Ivy then she will actually be interested in Stan.

Given the specific circumstances, yes Stan gets a major "Good Guy Point" for not raping Lena.

It's not like a scenario where Lena went out partying and came home drunk as skunk and was incoherent and he found her naked in the bath tub passed out.

In that sort of specific scenario I'm not giving him a "Good Guy Point" for not raping her. Although he would definitely get a "Bad Guy Point" if he did. As she was not specifically tempting him, and applying pressure on him and teasing him.

What scenario was he in? "Here come take some lewd photos of me. I'm going to use my dildo on my pussy and ass right in front of you while you are snapping pictures. I also want you to jerk off just a few inches away from my pussy as I tease you, but don't you dare try anything naughty!"

Come on now...

Very few men have that level of discipline and self control to not try and stick their cock in her pussy / press their luck / try something given that specific set of circumstances. He earns a "Good Guy Point" for that one for his professionalism and maintaining his composure.

 

[Simpgor]

What scenario was he in? "Here come take some lewd photos of me. I'm going to use my dildo on my pussy and ass right in front of you while you are snapping pictures. I also want you to jerk off just a few inches away from my pussy as I tease you, but don't you dare try anything naughty!"

Come on now...

Very few men have that level of discipline and self control to not try and stick their cock in her pussy / press their luck / try something given that specific set of circumstances. He earns a "Good Guy Point" for that one for his professionalism and maintaining his composure.

Well that is "professional" point is lost because he we've know he uses pictures of Lena for masturbation which is even more fucked up considering she pays rent to him and can still try to "help him out" (only for him to immediately reduce her to a fap session). Maintaining your composure and fucking raping your ROOMMATE are hugely different things. You could have said "he kept his control and didn't start to touch his dick in front of her". Maybe porn protagonists couldn't help themselves but men in general? Maybe ones who can pay off the police but not "most men would rape her". (Concerned why you think "most men" would rape her)

You care more about defending Stan than every character in the game put together and that's a fact

 

[markel1000]

can you do an asshole chad run were male mc cucks his loser friend with the phat ass girl, cuck his sad sack friend with the blonde one and still bang the readhead with the breeding kink? if yes, how?

Somewhat u cant do them all

 

[Leongen43]

You missed some important points about Stan's behavior:
1. He jerks off to photos of Lena, which he took as a “photographer.” This is unprofessional and disrespectful towards the models and is not very different from what Axel does to the models. It's just that Axel is not socially isolated like Stan, but the essence is the same.
2. He peeks at Lena unless Lena is rude about the previous incident.
3. And this scene in the prologue of Ep. 11, if you were on Stan's good side, if you rejected his advances, he turns into a typical aggressive incel from 4chan, "all of you women are the same" and at the same time trying to prove that he is better than Ian, if you on his route. And Lena tries to explain that “this is not how relationships work,” and that’s all.
Dude has serious, serious mental problems, he's not just socially awkward and shy. In general, you're right about the other characters - about half the characters in the game have serious red flags. Well, Perry can also be changed for the better and shipped him with Cherry.

No, I'm Lola simp. Lola is actually best lady in the game. Undemanding, no red flags and no tantrums. Just buy cat food, litter for the tray and pet her periodically.

Fixed

I understand, for you Lola is the best, if that is your taste, so be it, I prefer Holly, a beautiful girl without any conflict for me. Ian, how will your approach to her be?

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