VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[manscout]

I just don't feel like this is reflected in the story at all, at least not in all the paths. In my playthrough Lena doesn't seem sexually repressed at all, if anything she seems quite confident in pursuing the desires that's set for her by my choices and she'll even compliment her own masturbation as satisfactory.
In my playthrough Lena only ever fantasized about Holly and the only time her sexual submissivness has come up she had no problem literally burning it away, hell, it even gave her a willpower point to oppose her submissive past. Lena's behaviour forms according to the relationships and opportunities she gains, for example with the Seymour photosoots where letting him havecontrol or not will cost willpower depending on the opinion you allow Lena to have for him.

The game is an RPG, the player's choices play a part in shaping the characters. What ehct2332 said about the relationships with Robert and Mike can be true, Lena's relationship with those guys can be a way of working through feelings she may have developed after her traumatic break with Axel (treating Robert like a boy-toy, in the same way she felt toyed with by Axel; seducing a hot guy like Mike into cheating just to get some great sex, in the same way it was done to her), but those things are only really true if the player supports them through their choices, they can just as easily not be if you don't have your Lena pursue them.

The only thing that I think can be said to be completely canon would probably be Lena's submissive kink, since that was a part of her relationship with Axel and there's nothing the player can do about it. But like you said, maybe choosing to burn his pictures is a way to symbolize that her traumatic break with Axel has led her to reconsider her desires. Not that they aren't there anymore (they definitely play a part in her appreciation for sex with Ian and how she reacts to Seymour's directing), but that she now doesn't give the desire to satisfy that kink more importance than finding a good partner who won't hurt her like Axel did.

 

[ehct2332]

I just don't feel like this is reflected in the story at all, at least not in all the paths. In my playthrough Lena doesn't seem sexually repressed at all, if anything she seems quite confident in pursuing the desires that's set for her by my choices and she'll even compliment her own masturbation as satisfactory.

In my playthrough Lena only ever fantasized about Holly and the only time her sexual submissivness has come up she had no problem literally burning it away, hell, it even gave her a willpower point to oppose her submissive past. Lena's behaviour forms according to the relationships and opportunities she gains, for example with the Seymour photosoots where letting him have control or not will cost willpower depending on the opinion you allow Lena to have for him.

What I was referring to in that paragraph wasn't the story generally, but specifically her relationship with Ian. She's not repressed in the relationship, but her sexual side is very lukewarm or "vanilla" with the guy, which isn't the case at all with her other relationships. She experiences her deeper, darker desires more freely and genuinely with other characters, which I suspect, from a literary standpoint, she'd feel embarrassed or anxious to disclose or mention or experience intimately with Ian. By not having that sort of experience with Ian (the point that I made about living without inhibitions), what we get is a sort of Disney-styled, surface-level romance where the sex is concerned.

 

[dond1]

Is it just me, or is Emma modeled after Abella Danger?

 

[manscout]

What I was referring to in that paragraph wasn't the story generally, but specifically her relationship with Ian. She's not repressed in the relationship, but her sexual side is very lukewarm or "vanilla" with the guy, which isn't the case at all with her other relationships. She experiences her deeper, darker desires more freely and genuinely with other characters, which I suspect, from a literary standpoint, she'd feel embarrassed or anxious to disclose or mention or experience intimately with Ian. By not having that sort of experience with Ian (the point that I made about living without inhibitions), what we get is a sort of Disney-styled, surface-level romance where the sex is concerned.

Well, for whatever it is worth, she's not really stuck having bland sex with Ian, depending on player choice, their Chapter 7 scene can have an Ian that is more agressive and virile, to the point where Lena might react to it by thinking it was some of the best sex she's had in her life.

I think Lena will always have a bit of an appreciation for being taken during sex, but there's nothing stopping Ian from rising to that in bed. Is he ever going to be better than Axel in that department? Maybe by the endgame, but maybe he also doesn't need to be, Lena might have a kink for being submissive to a virile male, but she also doesn't want a partner that is gonna hurt her like Axel did, so maybe Ian being at most an "axel-lite" in bed but also being a very good partner in things besides sex will be enough for her.

 

[BlandChili]

The game is an RPG, the player's choices play a part in shaping the characters.

Absolutely, I also think Evakiss does a pretty good job of balancing this. All choices should feel valid without negating each other's validity in the story and how the two main characters express themselves.

I still feel there's something to be said for Lena's options in terms of how reactive you have to be to get scenes. I'd have liked a "maybe" option with just one character, like with Jack in GGGB, where you don't necessarily have to have sex with him immediately to get him as a romance/sex option later.

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

Well, for whatever it is worth, she's not really stuck having bland sex with Ian, depending on player choice, their Chapter 7 scene can have an Ian that is more agressive and virile, to the point where Lena might react to it by thinking it was some of the best sex she's had in her life.

I think Lena will always have a bit of an appreciation for being taken during sex, but there's nothing stopping Ian from rising to that in bed. Is he ever going to be better than Axel in that department? Maybe by the endgame, but maybe he also doesn't need to be, Lena might have a kink for being submissive to a virile male, but she also doesn't want a partner that is gonna hurt her like Axel did, so maybe Ian being at most an "axel-lite" in bed but also being a very good partner in things besides sex will be enough for her.

I also think the evolution of Lena and Ian's relationship has a long way to go, and the scene in chapter 7 might indicate that we'll see some potential changes soon. They still haven't had any serious talk about how they view the relationship, and it hasn't really been affected by their actions with other characters either, with a few minor exceptions. Ian sleeping with Holly or Cindy, and Lena giving Jeremy a blowjob, would propably change that in the next chapter though. In all of these three scenarios, it's likely that the other one will get to know what happened. I think we'll have to take some decisions on what kind of relationship they are going for pretty soon.

There's a lot of different scenarios here: A more romantic and vanilla path where they ignore all other potential sexual partners. Two where Ian only goes after Lena, but Lena has several partners – or the other way around. That would propably be closer to a GGGB type cuck/corruption path. Or both of them can have several partners – and they might decide to keep it that way, but still be in a relationship with each other. Meaning quite a big progression from the more vanilla starting point of their relationship. I'm really looking forward to see how Eva Kiss is planning to write these scenarios – it's one of those moments where having two protagonists really differs from having just one.

 

[BlandChili]

I am wondering if the narrative is going to be shifting between them in the same fashion it has so far.

Or, might we see scenarios where we get to choose who to control and react differently depending on what their relationship is like? Maybe that would be too big a writing burden but the replayability aspect would be excellent.

 

[cognu]

I also think the evolution of Lena and Ian's relationship has a long way to go, and the scene in chapter 7 might indicate that we'll see some potential changes soon. They still haven't had any serious talk about how they view the relationship, and it hasn't really been affected by their actions with other characters either, with a few minor exceptions. Ian sleeping with Holly or Cindy, and Lena giving Jeremy a blowjob, would propably change that in the next chapter though. In all of these three scenarios, it's likely that the other one will get to know what happened. I think we'll have to take some decisions on what kind of relationship they are going for pretty soon.

There's a lot of different scenarios here: A more romantic and vanilla path where they ignore all other potential sexual partners. Two where Ian only goes after Lena, but Lena has several partners – or the other way around. That would propably be closer to a GGGB type cuck/corruption path. Or both of them can have several partners – and they might decide to keep it that way, but still be in a relationship with each other. Meaning quite a big progression from the more vanilla starting point of their relationship. I'm really looking forward to see how Eva Kiss is planning to write these scenarios – it's one of those moments where having two protagonists really differs from having just one.

Yeah, that's exactly what i thought this update. Seems that because Ian x Lena were pushed so early, and both of them having agency on the story and decisions, a big chunk of the game (maybe the biggest one) will be a high variety of kinks explored between them, and some with other characters. (Threesomes, foursomes, exhibition, cheating, cuckoldry, corruption, drama, ending the relationship just to reignite chapters afers and so on).

At this point they are not in relationship but they are close if you chase that, and they are starting to know which buttons to push, realizing which dynamic works for them, and it seems to scalate more and more each update.

 

[Pinsel]

Wow, finaly Ian and Cindy fucked, but damm it will go interessting. In my Playtrough i go after Cindy, no matter what.

 

[Firraxa]

Why many of you go for Cindy? She looks like typical Canadian or English woman (i mean standarts of beauty). Lena is clearly more attractive girl.

 

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[BlandChili]

Long straight hair, grey eyes, perfect figure, all that blonde or red are boring

Judging people for what they pick in a porn game sounds exhausting, what's the point of that?

People pick Cindy because they like her and her design, it's not a huge mystery.

 

[Cico8]

Why many of you go for Cindy? She looks like typical Canadian or English woman (i mean standarts of beauty). Lena is clearly more attractive girl.

Because "clearly more attractive girl" for you doesn't mean clearly more attractive for everyone...
You know, personal taste and stuff

 

[thomastm]

Why many of you go for Cindy? She looks like typical Canadian or English woman (i mean standarts of beauty). Lena is clearly more attractive girl.

Cindy & Lena both of them are 10, even Jeremy pick Lena over Ivy when playing the bottle game as the most pretty. Best part is Ian can have both

 

[segment3939]

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[Deleted member 2741684]

Why many of you go for Cindy? She looks like typical Canadian or English woman (i mean standarts of beauty). Lena is clearly more attractive girl.

I'm definitely into brunettes and I like Lena very much but I want to admit Cindy looks stunning.

 

[godoff95]

Lena is a main character and easily fuckable but Cindy,Holly are not.

 

[Albaduldür]

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[boulimanus]

Yeah, that's exactly what i thought this update. Seems that because Ian x Lena were pushed so early, and both of them having agency on the story and decisions, a big chunk of the game (maybe the biggest one) will be a high variety of kinks explored between them, and some with other characters. (Threesomes, foursomes, exhibition, cheating, cuckoldry, corruption, drama, ending the relationship just to reignite chapters afers and so on).

At this point they are not in relationship but they are close if you chase that, and they are starting to know which buttons to push, realizing which dynamic works for them, and it seems to scalate more and more each update.

The dual character is actually quite interesting and unique even though at first I thought it was weird.

Personally I take it as an opportunity to play two different stories. So Ian and Lena aren't in a loving relationship for me, but are attracted to each other and are fuck buddies. Ian is serious about Alison instead (which doesn't seem to be popular as most people seem to talk about Lena & Cindy), whilst Lena is adventurous and up to it with anyone.
I may go for a second playthrough later where I'd do the opposite (i.e. Lena serious about one relationship and Ian being a horny Lothario) but I'll wait for a few more updates before I do.