VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[BlandChili]

1. Ivy
i always wondered why she is in such good grace within this community, even moreso with ppl who try a more wholesome relationship approach. my personal view of her is that she means bad business, i have always seen her as the little devil on Lenas shoulder, opposed to the angel which would be Holly. If there would be ever a Spin-off named "The Corruption of Holly Watson" Ivy would play a major role in that.

Obviously I can't speak for everyone but I think for many it's just that, given that this is a porn game, the most sexually liberal character will find a following.
Her open sexuality is not just attractive for pornographic reasons though, there is also something adventurous about her as a character type.
Personally I'm not entirely sure I would judge her fully yet. She appears in a lot of scenes but it isn't really until ch. 7 that we really get up close with her. I feel she might be a tad too much like a huntress for my tastes, she is willing to go pretty far even when Louise as Jeremy's girlfriend is present, I don't really see it as a positive trait that you just keep escalating selfishly, even if Louise isn't exactly a diplomat herself.

2. Lena

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You're saying many things I've posted about before. Ian's story is helped by him having a very wide cast of supporting characters. Even if you don't sleep with them, Alison, Cindy and Emma will all still appear in scenes and contribute to the idea that Ian has a very active social life.

Lena has two friends who fucking hate each other.
This makes her seem like a much more isolated character, especially if you decide to play her without being more promiscuous. If Lena doesn't entertain Robert and Ian as sex/romance options their presence in her life is practically erased, Robert totally and Ian becomes more of a side character to her.
Mike seems to be the same, but we haven't seen enough of him to judge yet.
Lena makes a new friend in Holly but anything romantic with her is very slow burn. Even so, in chapter 7 if you don't get her pole dancing she's completely removed too.

Ivy is the only character, that Lena doesn't live with, that she seems to have a stable social connection to, so Holly is sorely needed even if you have no romantic interest in her. Everything else is Ian, sex or work.

I'm hoping this trend gets turned around in ch. 8+
With Emma entering her life I'm getting the impression that Lena will be more involved with Ian's friends in the future, so hoepfully that doesn't rely entirely on her relationship status to Ian.

 

[manscout]

Just find this scene and I was like WTF... It gave me some good laughs

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Its what you get for cheating yourself an impossible ammount of Wits.

I do hope we get some more cheating-required silly easter eggs in the future, those are always fun.

 

[selberdreher]

with "Angel vs Devil" i mean that Holly represents more the choices which would lead Lena to the "Good Girl Path" opposed to Ivy which are for the "Bad Girl Path".

i mean inviting Lena to do Designer Drugs is a step above smoking some weed, Ivy presses Lena hard to do stalkfap and Billy will produce some porn related stuff for sure. My Lena refused stalkfap and the drugs, but will checkout Billys offer, to keep a protecting eye on Ivy for the sake of an old friendship ( i liked to redeem Jessica in GGGB) but if that will not work out Lena will eventually distance herself from Ivy.

I would like to get get Holly out of her shell, so i will need Ivy for that, but i am not interested in full corruption of the girls.
for fapping reasons i will keep this option open, but generally it bores me because its just too simple.

generally i like my girls sexually active and self confident and i try to play Lena that way:

she had sex with robert on her first date and i really liked the bunny outfit, but since there is no chemistry and he barely manages to satisfy Lena i gladly kicked his penis out of my pussy when he still went on with that relationship thing.

No Drugs, No Stalkfap, No Axel (although we are on fairly good terms after we had that heart to heart) for my Lena, she did the seymour shots and artisic nudes with stan. Casual Ian x Lena relationship from her and Ians side (both are still figuring out what it really is, but both can not deny their chemistry with each other).

 

[BlandChili]

with "Angel vs Devil" i mean that Holly represents more the choices which would lead Lena to the "Good Girl Path" opposed to Ivy which are for the "Bad Girl Path".

I don't think it's as black and white as that, given that Eva herself has talked about this game not being about becoming a good or bad girl.

i mean inviting Lena to do Designer Drugs is a step above smoking some weed, Ivy presses Lena hard to do stalkfap and Billy will produce some porn related stuff for sure. My Lena refused stalkfap and the drugs, but will checkout Billys offer, to keep a protecting eye on Ivy for the sake of an old friendship ( i liked to redeem Jessica in GGGB) but if that will not work out Lena will eventually distance herself from Ivy.

I would like to get get Holly out of her shell, so i will need Ivy for that, but i am not interested in full corruption of the girls.
for fapping reasons i will keep this option open, but generally it bores me because its just too simple.

There is no doubt that Ivy can be a corrupting influence. I see it more like Ivy being a gas pedal and Lena being a brake really, Lena's already a girl that's not afraid of getting it on, but you as the player gets to decide how far she's willing to go and how she wishes to influence Holly.

generally i like my girls sexually active and self confident and i try to play Lena that way:

she had sex with robert on her first date and i really liked the bunny outfit, but since there is no chemistry and he barely manages to satisfy Lena i gladly kicked his penis out of my pussy when he still went on with that relationship thing.

No Drugs, No Stalkfap, No Axel (although we are on fairly good terms after we had that heart to heart) for my Lena, she did the seymour shots and artisic nudes with stan. Casual Ian x Lena relationship from her and Ians side (both are still figuring out what it really is, but both can not deny their chemistry with each other).

I generally agree, at least that's been my instinct for my first playthrough too. I still view my Lena as sexually open, she just wasn't interested in anyone that's come along so far.
It's not that she doesn't mind sex, she just knows what she likes and knows to say no.

 

[selberdreher]

Also half related to some dicussions here on F95ZONE i really dont understand this "all girls are mine only" approach demanded by quite a few strongly opinioned members on this forum, infact i myself like the competiton and it feels much more rewarding if i can successfully cockblock those so called "Alpha Males" with their inflated egos, than having to fall otherwise chaste girls on my cock for no reason.

and i always asked myself : do those guys watch porn? and if they do: only POV (for self insert)? because otherwise i sense some cognitive dissonance at work...

 

[BlandChili]

Also half related to some dicussions here on F95ZONE i really dont understand this "my girls are mine only" approach, infact i myself like the competiton and it feels much more rewarding if i can successfully cockblock those so called "Alpha Males" with their inflated egos, than having to fall otherwise chaste girls on my cock for no reason.

and i always asked myself : do those guys watch porn? and if they do: only POV (for self insert)? because otherwise i sense some cognitive dissonance at work...

Is this about Jeremy/Alison?

 

[Tierra_Azul]

picking up people in bars and clubs is usually restricted to drunks of both sex or veeery good looking males. good looking females can have flings anytime, if they are daring.

Lena fits the very good looking category, but it's Ian who has the pick of the litter. Guys like Stan, Ed, Jeremy and Perry couldn't pick up Lena in a second-hand store, they aren't blessed in the looks appartment, but more importantly all of them have the personality of a 16 year old.

Its Eva Kiss anyway, the typical white/asian man hating that always does.

Hmm, I simply can't agree with you here, almost all scenes here are white on white. Jeremy and Cherry are the only colored people with sex scenes. Jeremy has one (and a half scene) and some pictures Ian receives on his phone. All of these are avoidable if you don't like it. Both ORS and GGGB won't give you sex scenes you don't actively make the protagonists go for. I really don't see the issue here? Is it Asian/White woman hating for Ian to have sex with Cherry? In real life, white male/asian female followed by white male/latin female are the most common IR relationships, are they hating white women?

As for asians, I don't think there are any in ORS, there was a asian dude in GGGB you could hook up for a one night stand.

 

[Goodguy234]

Also half related to some dicussions here on F95ZONE i really dont understand this "my girls are mine only" approach, infact i myself like the competiton and it feels much more rewarding if i can successfully cockblock those so called "Alpha Males" with their inflated egos, than having to fall otherwise chaste girls on my cock for no reason.

and i always asked myself : do those guys watch porn? and if they do: only POV (for self insert)? because otherwise i sense some cognitive dissonance at work...

Its a game? How a competition can play in a game of choices?
Only with a mini game. Its not so easy to make a competition in these games, you are either the winner or the loser
Thats why I personally prefer female MC so I can do whatever I want.

 

[n0cn1l]

Hmm, I simply can't agree with you here, almost all scenes here are white on white. Jeremy and Cherry are the only colored people with sex scenes. Jeremy has one (and a half scene) and some pictures Ian receives on his phone. All of these are avoidable if you don't like it. Both ORS and GGGB won't give you sex scenes you don't actively make the protagonists go for. I really don't see the issue here? Is it Asian/White woman hating for Ian to have sex with Cherry? In real life, white male/asian female followed by white male/latin female are the most common IR relationships, are they hating white women?

As for asians, I don't think there are any in ORS, there was a asian dude in GGGB you could hook up for a one night stand.

Mike too, he is latino

 

[selberdreher]

I don't think it's as black and white as that, given that Eva herself has talked about this game not being about becoming a good or bad girl.

There is no doubt that Ivy can be a corrupting influence. I see it more like Ivy being a gas pedal and Lena being a brake really, Lena's already a girl that's not afraid of getting it on, but you as the player gets to decide how far she's willing to go and how she wishes to influence Holly.

I generally agree, at least that's been my instinct for my first playthrough too. I still view my Lena as sexually open, she just wasn't interested in anyone that's come along so far.
It's not that she doesn't mind sex, she just knows what she likes and knows to say no.

that was not exactly what i tried to say, forgive me if i am not always able to fully bring my point across (i am not a native speaker) :

infact i love Evakisses games providing paths with all shades between black and white ( i tried to avoid grey here ) , opposed to the often seen "corrupt slut vs chaste angel" paths seen in so much other games ( and because we are normally playing this games for porn there is usually only one path which makes them mostly kinetic). thats why i put those Good/Bad Girl in parenthesis (is this correct for ""?).

No its more like if u want (the "Good" extreme) a dream chasing, songwriting Lena with wholesome relationships u need Holly
and if u want (the "Bad" extreme) a drug addicted, sexworking Lena with potential abusive relationships u need Ivy

 

[Tierra_Azul]

Mike too, he is latino

Really? A name like Mike Coxlong doesn't sound all that latin.

 

[doctor13]

If there would be ever a Spin-off named "The Corruption of Holly Watson" Ivy would play a major role in that.

I need this game.

 

[Quintillian]

Just found this scene and I was like WTF... It gave me some good laughs

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Gotta love the Discord

 

[selberdreher]

Is this about Jeremy/Alison?

no BlandChili, its about those members here on F95ZONE who have bad feelings when they are shown for instance as a flashback how their ingame Moms having Sex with their ingame Fathers 20 years ago (cough NTR cough).

 

[jaylop09]

Finally got around trying the game out. Played Chapter 1.

But this is it for me. Im done with the game. This is simply not for me sadly
My main goal when starting this game was to get the Male MC and the Female MC together.
But after playing Female MC's side, I dislike her. So the whole reason for me playing the game was lost lol

Female MC does nude photos. And we have no choice in this matter, we cant prevent it.
And at the end of Chapter 1, Male MC sees her in one of her nude sessions where people draw her. And Male MC just goes with it. After this session, they both talk and we cant really say anything meaningfull. Our options are just to ask her to add Male MC on instagram (where she posts nudes too) or just leave.
This is where I quit. Simply lost interest xd


Other than that, game was set pretty good. Art is incredible too.

Actually , i might go for Holly. Might give the game another try since i already supported the dev.
But sadly we are forced to play as Female MC too :/

So you just want the characters to start from zero (like literally they didnt do anything in their lifes until you play them) and do exactly what you want in every single moment. You probably would be better playing Sims 4 porn mods. There you have absolute control of everything.

 

[jaylop09]

1. Ivy
i always wondered why she is in such good grace within this community, even moreso with ppl who try a more wholesome relationship approach. my personal view of her is that she means bad business, i have always seen her as the little devil on Lenas shoulder, opposed to the angel which would be Holly. If there would be ever a Spin-off named "The Corruption of Holly Watson" Ivy would play a major role in that.

Imho, I like Ivy for 2 reasons. First and obvious one, she is hot. And, furthermore, I think she would be even way hotter with a different hair color (she kinda looks like like a grandma ). But there was another reason for me (as english is not my first lenguage this is going to be explained badly): she gave me the look of the flirty "open" girl who has no taboos with sex and she could perfectly play a role in my Ian being more direct with this things. Like the "hey Ian, see, you can bang a girl as hot at this one,you rock". But at the same time I thought she was a girl with her limits set clear. And maybe even she hide a very good side only for the people who deserved it. And for me it was easy to see that she was the comparison with Lena, like a corrupted Lena would be more like Ivy, but if she goes too far in her corruption she would totally surpass Ivy (which is going to happen in a lot of our playthroughs).

But my view on her changed radically in one scene where

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[Deleted member 3064965]

1. Ivy
i always wondered why she is in such good grace within this community, even moreso with ppl who try a more wholesome relationship approach. my personal view of her is that she means bad business, i have always seen her as the little devil on Lenas shoulder, opposed to the angel which would be Holly. If there would be ever a Spin-off named "The Corrusption of Holly Watson" Ivy would play a major role in that.

I also think one of the reasons many like Ivy (although I might just be projecting my opinions on others here), is that she represents a type of character that's usually so one dimensional in these kind of games, and in porn culture as a whole. She's not just a stereotype corrupting influence you can choose to follow to get a bunch of predictable sex scenes. I think she's also quite smart.

As an example: She continuously winds up Louise, which isn't a particularly sympathetic character trait. But the reason she's able to do it, is that she's socially clever and understand Louise's uncertainties a lot better than Louise does herself. She knows exactly what buttons to push to trigger her.

At this point of the game, she also seems loyal to Lena, though it's difficult to tell how that will progress in the future. She reminds a bit of Jeremy in that she's following a kind of stringent moral compass, but it's formed more by her own judgements rather than an objective idea of what's right or wrong. I think that unpredictability makes her route fun to follow.

Lena is not my favourite girl, but i think she is generally crafted quite believable. There was some criticism about her missing good options compared to Ian, which i think is toally reasonable:
i think in reality, unless you do internet dating like tinder, your romantic/sexual/relationship options present themself within your social circles which would be your friends, friends of friends and co-workers. to a lesser degree people you meet within your hobbies or sports.
picking up people in bars and clubs is usually restricted to drunks of both sex or veeery good looking males. good looking females can have flings anytime, if they are daring.

Lets compare Ian and Lena in this regard:

Ian: big circle of friends going way back to school, working in a big company with many co-workers, working out in a gym.
so it looks natural to me, that there are a lot of options to meet and socialize with people.

Lena: College drop out for financial reasons, works two jobs and still struggling, the cafe waitress job is fulltime and reastaurant is part time, which leaves her with very small free time slots for recreation and fun. if you drop out of college or university you usually loose touch to people there, Louise is only still in the picture because she is her roommate. Job at cafe provided the Ian opportunity, and apart from that i think females working in the service industry like lets say waitresses or supermarket cashiers or sales clerks in a clothing store are not overly keen to hit on any male customer they meet during their work time (or get hitted on). Restaurant checks Robert opportunity. Pole dancing is usually done by woman, so not much to get there.

hmmm, still more to say, but this is already lots of text so lets call it first of X.

I completely agree that in this context it's logical that Ian's got more love interests and close friends than Lena. And I like the variation in their background stories. Still, it would've be an easy task to adjust the background stories to give Lena more close friends and potential love interests if that was what Eva Kiss wanted to do. Personally I would have liked that, but I fully respect her decision, of course. Maybe Lena will have more relations of that kind later in the game, or maybe it's because Eva wants to take Ian's and Lena's stories in different directions. We'll have to wait and see

 

[BlandChili]

I completely agree that in this context it's logical that Ian's got more love interests and close friends than Lena. And I like the variation in their background stories. Still, it would've be an easy task to adjust the background stories to give Lena more close friends and potential love interests if that was what Eva Kiss wanted to do. Personally I would have liked that, but I fully respect her decision, of course. Maybe Lena will have more relations of that kind later in the game, or maybe it's because Eva wants to take Ian's and Lena's stories in different directions. We'll have to wait and see

I've always seen Lena as a sort of, I don't know, liberating force? At least to Ians perceptions.

I think this comes across regardless of what you decide in terms of their relationship, but it obviously comes more clearly across if you pursue their pairing and therefore have more scenes that they share.

Lena is confident in her looks, has a positive image of her body and takes pride in what she can do with it. Lena surprises Ian with her views on the arts and I think where Ian might serve as a stabilizing force to Lena's romantic life, Lena serves as a... maybe something like an idol? She's an exemplar of a liberated ideal in some ways, both her mind and body express a self-worth that Ian is perhaps struggling to find in himself.

 

[Limited20]

So you just want the characters to start from zero (like literally they didnt do anything in their lifes until you play them) and do exactly what you want in every single moment. You probably would be better playing Sims 4 porn mods. There you have absolute control of everything.

Well no. Its stimply comes down to how you view things and what you like.

For Lena. Im not into Nude Modelling and similar stuff. So, I lost interest in her.
So after losing interest in her, her part of the story became irrelevant to me.
Nothing against her.

Same for the rest of the female characters. Nothing against them.
I simply dislike some of their personalities or maybe they are already in a relationship, so I dont have interest in them.

For me. From what I have seen so far. I only like Holly.

But in the end, it all comes down to personal opinions and preferences.
Juts how you wrote on other comments how you like Ivy.
In my opinion Ivy is the worst of them all. It feels pretty bad how she tries to corrupt Lena. Misery loves company
I also dislike her hoe lifestyle. Ivy is like public property, everyone gets a turn eventually lol , at least thats how it feels the way she says she is fucking multiple people but nothing serious.
For some this might be what they like. But I dislike such things.

Im not asking to change or re-write characters and stuff. It is what it is.

 

[jaylop09]

Well no. Its stimply comes down to how you view things and what you like.

For Lena. Im not into Nude Modelling and similar stuff. So, I lost interest in her.
So after losing interest in her, her part of the story became irrelevant to me.
Nothing against her.

Same for the rest of the female characters. Nothing against them.
I simply dislike some of their personalities or maybe they are already in a relationship, so I dont have interest in them.

For me. From what I have seen so far. I only like Holly.

But in the end, it all comes down to personal opinions and preferences.
Juts how you wrote on other comments how you like Ivy.
In my opinion Ivy is the worst of them all. It feels pretty bad how she tries to corrupt Lena. Misery loves company
I also dislike her hoe lifestyle. Ivy is like public property, everyone gets a turn eventually lol , at least thats how it feels the way she says she is fucking multiple people but nothing serious.
For some this might be what they like. But I dislike such things.

Im not asking to change or re-write characters and stuff. It is what it is.

The outcome of possibilities and branches you want for this game is imposible. You have to understand that this is not a blank space game. Cause OK, you don´t like Lena to participate in artistic nude modelling. But that´s the way this story works, Lena had a story before you take control of her, and you have to accept it. I think it´s dissapointing how you don´t get engaged with the game if characters have a defined personality before you take control of them. But in the end it´s a matter of what you like, and everyone has their own preferences which anyone must not interfere in.