VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Deleted member 3064965]

Question: In the bar when she asks Ian where Jeremy is, if he answers that Jeremy is with a girl, does she still go with Jeremy If Ian rejects her?

Yes, she does, and it also gives you a negative relationship point with Jeremy. I don't know if there's any other consequences, but I could see Ian's choice to rat him out come back to haunt him in the scenario where Jeremy sees him having sex with Cindy in the alley.

I think it makes sense that she doesn't care about Jeremy's other women, though. It adds to the impression that she's not really invested in him for other reasons than the sex and the chance to feel wanted by someone.

 

[TamaMountain]

On a different note: Does anyone have any thoughts about what the chapter title could imply for Ian's side of the story? The title's obviously not gonna sum up all the scenes in the chapter, but I'd expect it to allude to at least one scene for each protagonist, the same way "Heavenly Sins" most likely is meant as a reference to both the Ian/Cindy scene and the Lena/Jeremy scene.

I guess Minerva is the most obvious character to be involved, but her power as Ian's boss pales a bit in comparison to Seymour's seemingly unlimited influence. Maybe a new scene between Ian and Cindy could also fit in with the title? While Minerva is a powerful figure, you could say that Ian tempting Cindy into cheating on Wade again is a way of… I don't know, asserting dominance?

"Lust and power" can also apply to Ian's cuck route, not just his "alpha" route.

I can see Cindy getting it on with Axel if Ian ignores Cindy. It's one of my most anticipated scenes since the ending of ch 7. Also more Jeremy and Alison obviously. Jeremy has been slowly moulding Alison in his videos, like forcing her to say dirty things and act like a pornstar and what not.

As for "alpha" route, the most obvious display of "lust and power" would be with Alison imo. Alison pretty much does whatever Ian tells him to do. Maybe we'll get to see Ian exploring more of his perverted side, something similar to when Ian was face fking Alison while answering Perry phonecall. Not much to go on here tbh. There's a lot more setup for Lena's side.

 

[kartolas]

Yes, she does, and it also gives you a negative relationship point with Jeremy. I don't know if there's any other consequences, but I could see Ian's choice to rat him out come back to haunt him in the scenario where Jeremy sees him having sex with Cindy in the alley.

I think it makes sense that she doesn't care about Jeremy's other women, though. It adds to the impression that she's not really invested in him for other reasons than the sex and the chance to feel wanted by someone.

Yes she doesn't care...
You guys all have valid points on your analysis of Alison behaviour but I think there maybe be another side to it.
Jeremy's a pig and a womanizer, she knows it, she's fine with it and for Whatever reasons or excuses you can come up with, she keeps meeting him for some more black dicking for a while. For that, she is not my LI in my main playthrough.

As I said in my original post: "Call me old fashioned but that's how I see it".

P.S. "Jeremy has been slowly moulding Alison in his videos, like forcing her to say dirty things and act like a pornstar and what not". She even let's him make videos of him fucking her, such a saint this girl Alison is... (This part of the game I avoided).

 

[thedude]

On a different note: Does anyone have any thoughts about what the chapter title could imply for Ian's side of the story? The title's obviously not gonna sum up all the scenes in the chapter, but I'd expect it to allude to at least one scene for each protagonist, the same way "Heavenly Sins" most likely is meant as a reference to both the Ian/Cindy scene and the Lena/Jeremy scene.

I'm betting on Ivy/Ian happening on this chapter. Lust and power may represent how he evolved from the person he was from the beggining - him having sex with Ivy would show just that.

They also have to talk about her catching him with Cindy - I thought this would happen on the previous chapter, but they didn't exchange a single word to each other. I believe Ivy catching Ian on the act may be what finally triggers her attraction to him, if he is charismatic enough to have a decent relationship with her.

If Ian decides to give bad Jessica a call, they could have sex as well, I guess.

 

[Simon12345_]

All you guys make very good points im just waiting for a ed the coffe shop owner if thats his correct name any ideas if eva will do that and any news on the next update whens it coming thanks in advance

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

"Lust and power" can also apply to Ian's cuck route, not just his "alpha" route.

I can see Cindy getting it on with Axel if Ian ignores Cindy. It's one of my most anticipated scenes since the ending of ch 7. Also more Jeremy and Alison obviously. Jeremy has been slowly moulding Alison in his videos, like forcing her to say dirty things and act like a pornstar and what not.

As for "alpha" route, the most obvious display of "lust and power" would be with Alison imo. Alison pretty much does whatever Ian tells him to do. Maybe we'll get to see Ian exploring more of his perverted side, something similar to when Ian was face fking Alison while answering Perry phonecall. Not much to go on here tbh. There's a lot more setup for Lena's side.

Those are all good points. Your point about Axel and Cindy made me think about the fact that Lena's also very likely to have a scene with him in this chapter, and how he reacted when he found out about Ian and Lena. I could see him wanting to get back at Ian by demonstrating to him that Lena is "his". Maybe it's too early to introduce any straightforward cuck elements in the relationship between Ian and Lena, but the power balance between them might start getting more complicated in some way.

And yes, Alison makes sense, I fully agree on that.

I'm betting on Ivy/Ian happening on this chapter. Lust and power may represent how he evolved from the person he was from the beggining - him having sex with Ivy would show just that.

They also have to talk about her catching him with Cindy - I thought this would happen on the previous chapter, but they didn't exchange a single word to each other. I believe Ivy catching Ian on the act may be what finally triggers her attraction to him, if he is charismatic enough to have a decent relationship with her.

If Ian decides to give bad Jessica a call, they could have sex as well, I guess.

Also good points. If Lena is out of town at the beginning of the episode, it would make sense for Ivy to finally confront him about it. I could see both a sex scene or some kind of blackmail as possibly outcomes, and both of those would fit in fit the title, I guess.

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

Yes she doesn't care...
You guys all have valid points on your analysis of Alison behaviour but I think there maybe be another side to it.
Jeremy's a pig and a womanizer, she knows it, she's fine with it and for Whatever reasons or excuses you can come up with, she keeps meeting him for some more black dicking for a while. For that, she is not my LI in my main playthrough.

As I said in my original post: "Call me old fashioned but that's how I see it".

P.S. "Jeremy has been slowly moulding Alison in his videos, like forcing her to say dirty things and act like a pornstar and what not". She even let's him make videos of him fucking her, such a saint this girl Alison is... (This part of the game I avoided).

I don't have any objections about your choice to not want to continue on Alison's path if she sleeps with Jeremy. It's just as valid as any other choice. I assume that is part of the intention from Eva as well – your choices in the game have consequences, and the consequence of not giving Alison the attention she wants, is supposed to be "unpleasant" enough that not everyone wants to continue on her path.

 

[Rickster82]

Hey you guys, what do you think, will we get to know completely new characters in the new update?

 

[kartolas]

I don't have any objections about your choice to not want to continue on Alison's path if she sleeps with Jeremy. It's just as valid as any other choice. I assume that is part of the intention from Eva as well – your choices in the game have consequences, and the consequence of not giving Alison the attention she wants, is supposed to be "unpleasant" enough that not everyone wants to continue on her path.

Yep. I just don't agree that her sleeping with Jeremy is a consequence, that's an excuse. A consequence makes me feel like it's my fault, and I could have avoided it, when it isn't. It's what she wants.
"omg Ian rejected me, let me fuck this womanizer and let him make videos to show his friends"...
She's not 16 or 17, she's what 27?

 

[NaillMcDracken]

Dammit! A very long wait Ha ha ha!

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

Yep. I just don't agree that her sleeping with Jeremy is a consequence, that's an excuse. A consequence makes me feel like it's my fault, and I could have avoided it, when it isn't. It's what she wants.
"omg Ian rejected me, let me fuck this womanizer and let him make videos to show his friends"...
She's not 16 or 17, she's what 27?

Well, it is a consequence in the sense that she only does so if you select certain choices for Ian. If Ian gives her the attention she wants, she doesn't sleep with Jeremy. If Ian doesn't give her the attention she wants, she does sleep with Jeremy.

But I agree that it's not a foreseeable or the only logical consequence, if that's what you mean. Ian doesn't give her enough attention, and then Alison herself makes the choice that she, in that situation, wants to sleep with Jeremy. That's not Ian's fault, but it's not anything he can control either.

Also I think she has the same right to sleep with someone, and let them make videos, no matter if she's 17 or 27, or 57 for that matter.

 

[kartolas]

Well, it is a consequence in the sense that she only does so if you select certain choices for Ian. If Ian gives her the attention she wants, she doesn't sleep with Jeremy. If Ian doesn't give her the attention she wants, she does sleep with Jeremy.

But I agree that it's not a foreseeable or the only logical consequence, if that's what you mean. Ian doesn't give her enough attention, and then Alison herself makes the choice that she, in that situation, wants to sleep with Jeremy. That's not Ian's fault, but it's not anything he can control either.

Also I think she has the same right to sleep with someone, and let them make videos, no matter if she's 17 or 27, or 57 for that matter.

The age part was about Ian rejecting her and she going for Jeremy, not the videos. I LIKE TO THINK that someone more mature doesn't behave like that when rejected, also age sometimes doesn't reflect maturity but you know what I mean. The videos part I find even more disgusting when they are just fucking and not in a relation but as I said, I'm old fashioned.
Also, in the bar Ian not kissing her doesn't necessarily means that he's rejecting her or not giving her atention when she is talking to Jeremy. It's actually something I could do irl to see what her real interest is. As someone said, on chapter 3 they have more chances and also when she invites Ian and not Jeremy to go on a vacation. Imo her behaviour was despicable.

I inserted myself in this conversation because people here were making her some sort of saint and that, imo, couldn't be firther from the truth, at least as how I see it. If Alison is a saint, what do you make of Holly?

 

[dundun]

So, does Jeremy

zeroed in on her emotional vulnerability like a pro

after he

probably gave her what she needed

or before ?
I think you give Jeremy too much credit here. He hits on every hot woman and sometimes he gets lucky. You also give Alison too little credit here. She is not a helpless victim, taken advantage off by the big bad wolf. She wants it and she gets it. She is pretty casual about Jeremy, dropping him like a used napkin the moment Ian shows interest, so how was she taken advantage off?

On a different note: Does anyone have any thoughts about what the chapter title could imply for Ian's side of the story? The title's obviously not gonna sum up all the scenes in the chapter, but I'd expect it to allude to at least one scene for each protagonist, the same way "Heavenly Sins" most likely is meant as a reference to both the Ian/Cindy scene and the Lena/Jeremy scene.

Lena/Jeremy happens in chapter 8, in 7 there is only Ivy's game. I don't see anything heavenly on Lena's side, there is just Robert, Mike, Louise. Ian on the other hand gets Holly and Cindy. So it might only be one side in the next chapter, too.

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

The age part was about Ian rejecting her and she going for Jeremy, not the videos. I LIKE TO THINK that someone more mature doesn't behave like that when rejected, also age sometimes doesn't reflect maturity but you know what I mean. The videos part I find even more disgusting when they are just fucking and not in a relation but as I said, I'm old fashioned.
Also, in the bar Ian not kissing her doesn't necessarily means that he's rejecting her or not giving her atention when she is talking to Jeremy. It's actually something I could do irl to see what her real interest is. As someone said, on chapter 3 they have more chances and also when she invites Ian and not Jeremy to go on a vacation. Imo her behaviour was despicable.

I inserted myself in this conversation because people here were making her some sort of saint and that, imo, couldn't be firther from the truth, at least as how I see it. If Alison is a saint, what do you make of Holly?

Then we completely disagree regarding the videos. Let's leave it at that, as I don't think we're going to convince each other on that aspect.

And Alison's reaction isn't necessarily rational, I agree on that. Her judgement of the situation is flawed, and if we assume her final goal still is to be with Ian, it's not the smartest thing to sleep with one of his best friends. She's not a saint, all I'm saying is that Alison's background story supplies a lot of explanations for her particular character flaws, and that makes her actions understandable, at least to me. Those flaws will make some players like the character less, and some players like her more, because it to them makes her more human and interesting. Both opinions are just as valid.

Lena/Jeremy happens in chapter 8, in 7 there is only Ivy's game. I don't see anything heavenly on Lena's side, there is just Robert, Mike, Louise. Ian on the other hand gets Holly and Cindy. So it might only be one side here, too.

Yeah, it was the blowjob during Ivy's game I referenced to – that probably was a bit unclear. Whether that was heavenly or not, I leave to each player to decide. But I think those two scenes are fairly similar, in the sense that both were a form of sins (against Wade and Ian), and that Ian and Lena had been lusting for it for a long time.

 

[lipe2410]

God, only read you guys talk about Allison/Jeremy and Lena/Jeremy contente makes me cringe. Fuck, i will never ever wanna see this. My mission in this game is keep jeremy, axel and seymour as far away as possible from the girls i like

 

[kartolas]

Then we completely disagree regarding the videos. Let's leave it at that, as I don't think we're going to convince each other on that aspect.

Sure mate, nice talking to you.

 

[Reasoon]

The age part was about Ian rejecting her and she going for Jeremy, not the videos. I LIKE TO THINK that someone more mature doesn't behave like that when rejected, also age sometimes doesn't reflect maturity but you know what I mean. The videos part I find even more disgusting when they are just fucking and not in a relation but as I said, I'm old fashioned.
Also, in the bar Ian not kissing her doesn't necessarily means that he's rejecting her or not giving her atention when she is talking to Jeremy. It's actually something I could do irl to see what her real interest is. As someone said, on chapter 3 they have more chances and also when she invites Ian and not Jeremy to go on a vacation. Imo her behaviour was despicable.

I inserted myself in this conversation because people here were making her some sort of saint and that, imo, couldn't be firther from the truth, at least as how I see it. If Alison is a saint, what do you make of Holly?

I get your Point and seriously if I was Ian and this would happen to me with one of my best Friends I would be really pissed and disappointed with her IF I was interested in her and IF the only reason she did it was because I was not directly hitting on her in this Situation. It's actually a dangerous Game from Alison because she totally could destroy every Chance with Ian with this without even knowing if he is interested in her. But in the End this is still a Game where Choices are important and I think for a Game certain Consequences are always interesting.

And also I don't think most of us think Alison is a saint at least for me it's more about that it's obvious that she really has strong feelings for Ian.

I think you give Jeremy too much credit here. He hits on every hot woman and sometimes he gets lucky. You also give Alison too little credit here. She is not a helpless victim, taken advantage off by the big bad wolf. She wants it and she gets it. She is pretty casual about Jeremy, dropping him like a used napkin the moment Ian shows interest, so how was she taken advantage off?

Exactly I really think some People make more out of AlisonxJeremy than it really is. It's maybe the most insignificant relationship in the Game in my opinion.

 

[lipe2410]

I inserted myself in this conversation because people here were making her some sort of saint and that, imo, couldn't be firther from the truth, at least as how I see it. If Alison is a saint, what do you make of Holly?

Trust me, mate. I wouldn't be so into Allison if i thought she was a saint. It's quite the opposite (but i d belive she is a goddess)

And Holly is a sacred and pure being. Corrupt her is one of the seals of apocalypse

 

[John Doe Jr.]

God, only read you guys talk about Allison/Jeremy and Lena/Jeremy contente makes me cringe. Fuck, i will never ever wanna see this. My mission in this game is keep jeremy, axel and seymour as far away as possible from the girls i like

Good for you. Not sure why you needed to also rant to tell us what you do in your playthrough though.

 

[BlandChili]

Good for you. Not sure why you needed to also rant to tell us what you do in your playthrough though.

It is rather cringy isn't it?